[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

Talib Fiasco

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people think in Vegas that even if Manny wins on points, he will actually get the decision?

Rematch would make so much money and it'll happen if Manny wins... Floyd got screwed over in the Canelo fight on one scorecard...very possible could happen tomorrow as well.

Panic E

I agree there is big money in a rematch but it will most likely happen if Floyd wins the fight too.

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people think in Vegas that even if Manny wins on points, he will actually get the decision?

Well, Floyd has never once lost a decision in Vegas and it's the only venue he agree's to for his fights.

The last time Manny's fight went to a decision though (against Bradley) he was clearly blatantly robbed.

He lost his ten year win streak, his place as the #1 p4p, negotiating power with Floyd. Because of the fix.

MayPac

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

He beat Marcos Maidana to win that belt... Boxing is very weird in the sense that there are belts for nearly everyone in a division (not even an exaggeration), from super champion to regular champion to silver champion etc. It's a joke, there should be only one champ per organisation... What it means for Thurman is that he's higher up the list of Floyd's mandatory fights but then again Floyd and mandatory doesn't exist.

Obviously Manny will become super champ if he wins as he is fighting the super champ Floyd, and not Thurman the regular champ. Floyd will be WBO champ if he wins as that's the belt Manny holds.

The winner of the belts depends what belts are on the line. Tomorrow, the WBA, WBC, The Ring and the WBO's belts are on the line so whoever wins will have all those belts. After tomorrow nights fight there will be only two welterweight champions (if indeed tomorrow doesn't end in a draw), Floyd/manny and Kell Brook, the IBF champ...therefore they are each one fight away from becoming undisputed champ after tomorrow.

Great answer, thanks very much. So although Wiki has the WBA champion as Thurman, it is actually Mayweather and Thurman is just number 1 on the list for "mandatory" title defence fights? Given that the winner tomorrow will be super champion, in what situation would there no longer BE a super champion?

MayPac

pac_man wrote: »

No offence, but this post smacks of a journo that has been drafted in at the last minute and can't be arsed to do the research. I'll answer it though.

Firstly it's Keith Thurman.

Secondly, Mayweather attained Super status when he defeated Canelo. At the time Mayweather who held the WBC belt and Canelo had the WBA belt.If a fighter with multiple titles holds the WBA's title as well, the fighter is promoted to "Super Champion" and the WBA title becomes vacant for competition by other WBA-ranked boxers.

Thirdly, if someone who holds 2 belts and loses to someone with none, then it's possible that the two belts will be forwarded to the winning fighter. It really depends on what's outlined during contract negotiations and if the opponent is a mandatory.

The division is not unified as all belts are not up for grabs during this fight. Kell Brook holds the IBF belt.

Apologies, I'm a causal boxing fan and came fresh from wiki to ask my question.
Thanks for the answer though. What you're saying is the regular WBA champion is technically a title holder but in reality the WBA champion is the super champion?

degzs

Not sure if this has been asked but what time is the fight at?

I have heard different times over the last few days.

Panic E

Panic E wrote: »

I agree there is big money in a rematch but it will most likely happen if Floyd wins the fight too.




Well, Floyd has never once lost a decision in Vegas and it's the only venue he agree's to for his fights.

The last time Manny's fight went to a decision though (against Bradley) he was clearly blatantly robbed.

He lost his ten year win streak, his place as the #1 p4p, negotiating power with Floyd. Because of the fix.

Yeah, I think for Manny to win tomorrow he needs to go for a KO (which I could see happening). The likely result though is a Mayweather points win

Talib Fiasco

MayPac wrote: »

Great answer, thanks very much. So although Wiki has the WBA champion as Thurman, it is actually Mayweather and Thurman is just number 1 on the list for "mandatory" title defence fights? Given that the winner tomorrow will be super champion, in what situation would there no longer BE a super champion?

Well there are two WBA champs, it's just Floyd's belt is more higher esteemed than Thurmans. I personally do not classify Thurman as a world champ as Floyd is the real number 1 per WBA...same with Andre Ward, he's the super middleweight super champ while Carl Froch is the regular champ. I wouldn't say Thurman is the number one mandatory because Boxing never really goes by that, but yeah if all was fair in terms of who fights who Thurman would be obliged to a fight with Floyd...

Hmmm good question. Well WBA seem to be the only organisation that recognise super and regular champions and due to the fact there are super champions, regular champions, interim champions and silver champions belts and so on I still think that we would still have those titles/belts in Boxing regardless.

Panic E

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, I think for Manny to win tomorrow he needs to go for a KO (which I could see happening). The likely result though is a Mayweather points win

It's pretty much accepted all about that any round that's close will go Floyd's way as it always does (as you know)

However most people are saying that if Manny wins every round clearly they will have to give it to him as the fight is so big.

No one knows for sure what will happen thats the beauty of it! It would have been a much bigger event if it wasn't in Vegas too.

walshb

In 2/3 of Floyd's last fights he wasn't given any clear favoritism with the judges. Who's to say that if this is close they don't give it to Manny?

54and56

degzs wrote: »

Not sure if this has been asked but what time is the fight at?

I have heard different times over the last few days.

A pal of mine said the show starts at 3am our time but the under card and razzamatazz will go on for a good while and it will be 6am before the main event kicks off. Not sure how accurate that is but my pal has booked the fight with Sky and has €150 on Manny to win so I'm guessing he's done his homework on it.

I'd personally prefer to go to be early Sat night and get up early Sunday morning at 5:45 rather than try and stay up (supping beer no doubt) until 6am and possibly for 12 rounds thereafter.

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

In 2/3 of Floyd's last fights he wasn't given any clear favoritism with the judges.

Why, was he winning them clearly or something? Plus, I'm not sure if that is even true.

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

Why, was he winning them clearly or something? Plus, I'm not sure if that is even true.

It's true that the cards were close in 2 of the 3 fights. 114/114 vs. Canelo. That was not at all fair to Floyd. 114/114 vs. Maidana. Not all that unfair, but Floyd did do enough to win.

Panic E

I was referring to his career in general with my comment.

BUT. The referee showed clear favoritism in his very last fight!

That's worse, not the first time either. I'm not sure what your point is?

newballsplease

degzs wrote: »

Not sure if this has been asked but what time is the fight at?

I have heard different times over the last few days.

Anytime between approx 4am and 5:30am

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

I was referring to his career in general with my comment.

BUT. The referee showed clear favoritism in his very last fight!

That's worse, not the first time either. I'm not sure what your point is?

My point is the same as TFs. You seem to think that Floyd is a guarantee to get a close decision in Las Vegas. That seems to be what you are implying. There's no real proof for that. Yes, you can look to all the wins in Las Vegas, but apart from JLC fight 1 and the Oscar fight, which were both close, then I don't see anything else. He was entitled to get the decision there juts as they were. It was close

I would look more at the 114/114 scores vs. Maidana and Canelo as examples of him not being guaranteed to get the judges verdict in close fights, or even clear fights (Canelo).

You posted: It's pretty much accepted all about that any round that's close will go Floyd's way as it always does (as you know

I disagree with this. Because Maidana 1 and Canelo proves otherwise.

MarkY91

degzs wrote: »

Not sure if this has been asked but what time is the fight at?

I have heard different times over the last few days.

So have I. I've been told 4 and also 5

ThunderCat

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

A pal of mine said the show starts at 3am our time but the under card and razzamatazz will go on for a good while and it will be 6am before the main event kicks off. Not sure how accurate that is but my pal has booked the fight with Sky and has €150 on Manny to win so I'm guessing he's done his homework on it.

I'd personally prefer to go to be early Sat night and get up early Sunday morning at 5:45 rather than try and stay up (supping beer no doubt) until 6am and possibly for 12 rounds thereafter.

Don't get up at 5:45 for god's sake you have missed the lot (possibly):)

It may start as late as that but don't risk it. Get up at 3 and you'll be safe.

efb

The ring walk for Floyd Mayweather's long-awaited contest against Manny Pacquiao's is set to take place no earlier than 4am on Sunday 3 May (BST) and could start closer to 5am depending on the undercard fights.
The fight takes place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, and will be broadcast on Sky Sports Box Office for UK viewers. The fight will cost £19.95 to purchase on Box Office, and will cost an additional £2 booking fee for those who book on the day.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/what-time-does-floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-start-and-what-channel-is-it-on-10193003.html

Panic E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OAtnXFdtcY

martyos121

Now I'm just a casual fan who doesn't particularly care about undercard fights, but I cannot understand why everyone wouldn't watch them? You're paying €25 for a boxing event, ye might as well get you're money's worth! Just curious, how do the full time boxing fans (for lack of a better term) see the undercard panning out and also the quality of the fighters?

walshb

martyos121 wrote: »

Now I'm just a casual fan who doesn't particularly care about undercard fights, but I cannot understand why everyone wouldn't watch them? You're paying €25 for a boxing event, ye might as well get you're money's worth! Just curious, how do the full time boxing fans (for lack of a better term) see the undercard panning out and also the quality of the fighters?

The chief undercard is dirt! LSC and Lomachenko in against two nobodies. There are other fights as well that won't be televised. Nothing much with them really.

efb

martyos121 wrote: »

Now I'm just a casual fan who doesn't particularly care about undercard fights, but I cannot understand why everyone wouldn't watch them? You're paying €25 for a boxing event, ye might as well get you're money's worth! Just curious, how do the full time boxing fans (for lack of a better term) see the undercard panning out and also the quality of the fighters?

You don't have to eat everything at an all you can eat buffet - just what you like

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

My point is the same as TFs. You seem to think that Floyd is a guarantee to get a close decision in Las Vegas. That seems to be what you are implying. There's no real proof for that. Yes, you can look to all the wins in Las Vegas, but apart from JLC fight 1 and the Oscar fight, which were both close, then I don't see anything else. He was entitled to get the decision there juts as they were. It was close

I would look more at the 114/114 scores vs. Maidana and Canelo as examples of him not being guaranteed to get the judges verdict in close fights, or even clear fights (Canelo).

You posted: It's pretty much accepted all about that any round that's close will go Floyd's way as it always does (as you know

I disagree with this. Because Maidana 1 and Canelo proves otherwise.

So your point is that Mayweather will be screwed out of a decision by the judges tomorrow even though it's never happened to him before.

Based on what, one of the three judge's scorecard that called his fight a draw, even though you admitted it was a close fight anyway? Ah now.

Makes no sense. I'm not implying anything, of course there is no proof the judges will favor Mayweather when the fight hasn't even happened yet.

Looking at a 114/114 card (a draw) from one of three judges in a close fight is not a good example of your point. What were on the other two cards?

Re: what I posted. That is widely accepted in the boxing community for whatever reason. You don't agree, but Canelo and Maidana proves nothing at all.

martyos121

Thanks for the responses, lovely analogy efb, starving now! :pac: I'll be watching all the fights anyways, big MMA fan and I've always watched every fight, don't want to change my ways now!

Dick phelan

martyos121 wrote: »

Now I'm just a casual fan who doesn't particularly care about undercard fights, but I cannot understand why everyone wouldn't watch them? You're paying €25 for a boxing event, ye might as well get you're money's worth! Just curious, how do the full time boxing fans (for lack of a better term) see the undercard panning out and also the quality of the fighters?

Unfortunately mate the undercard is shocking, There are decent fighters on it but the opponents they have are poor, Leo Santa Cruz is the current WBC Superbantamweight champion, same weight as Carl Frampton. He's an exciting fighter but his opponent is really poor, Ratings need to be taken with a pinch of salt but his opponent is rated 109 in the world on Boxrec, has lost 3 times including his last fight and he doesn't possess much power so even a lucky shot is unlikely.

Another undercard fight of note is Vasyl Lomochenko vs Gamailer Rodriguez, Lomochenko is a truely amazing fighter, a strong case for the greatest amatuer of all time, Two time Olympic gold medalist, 2 time world ametur champion ect, His amateur record is 396-1!, His opponent has been beaten twice but is actually a solid enough fighter, however there's a massive gulf between the two and it would be a massive shock if Lomochenko is beaten.

In short the undercard is full of showcase fights, it's very very unlikely any of the favorites will loose, Not one 50/50 or even 70/30 fight on the undercard.

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

So your point is that Mayweather will be screwed out of a decision by the judges tomorrow even though it's never happened to him before.

Never came close to saying this. I refuted your belief that Mayweather is somehow guaranteed to get the win if it's close, or guaranteed to get scored the close rds.

I did not admit that the Canelo fight was close. That 114/114 was wrong. Maidana 1 was closer, and more deserving of 114/114 than the Canelo score.

Throw in the spit decision win over Oscar. Most think Floyd won that fight. I thought it was damn close, however, the point stands, it was a split decision. That doesn't tell me or show me that Floyd is guaranteed to get the judges' decisions when he fights, close or not.

You posted: "It's pretty much accepted all about that any round that's close will go Floyd's way as it always does (as you know)"

Dick phelan

pac_man wrote: »

The Boxrec ratings are a joke. Somehow Tyson Fury is rated higher on the p4p list then Rigondeaux.

Yeah i agree they are a joke but LSC opponent is ****e that much i'm sure you agree.

myshirt

What time is the weigh in?

Just found out the wife has been spending the Sky money on makeup, so to watch this fight I've to clear a bill! What a joke!

Talib Fiasco

It's no doubt another massive cherry pick from Santa Cruz. I'd say I won't even watch that fight. Have no time for him.

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

Never came close to saying this. I refuted your belief that Mayweather is somehow guaranteed to get the win if it's close, or guaranteed to get scored the close rds.

I did not admit that the Canelo fight was close. That 114/114 was wrong. Maidana 1 was closer, and more deserving of 114/114 than the Canelo score.

You posted: "It's pretty much accepted all about that any round that's close will go Floyd's way as it always does (as you know)"

I never said Mayweather is guaranteed anything. In fact I said 'No one knows for sure what will happen thats the beauty of it'.

First up, you did come close to saying that! I asked you what your point was and you said it was the same as TFS...

Which was that Mayweather could get screwed on the scorecards tomorrow.

One card scored as a draw or indeed a split decision result is not 'getting screwed' in any case. It bears no relevance to the outcome whatsoever

You could disagree with the scorecard but thats about it. You could disagree with the two other scorecards also, still it doesn't affect the result.

(unlike Manny who actually has been screwed there before, royally at that).


So I'm still unsure of what your point is. What's the reason he will only fight in Vegas anyway?

This could have been a huge event, some of us may have even been able to attend it if it wasn't for that.

Only 500 public tickets? Good man Floyd. Pacquaio sold out the Dallas stadium (90k) fighting a basically unknown fighter.

Imagine how many people would have went to this one? There isn't a stadium big enough.

Having it in Vegas doesn't suit anyone other than Floyd we know that much...