Cannabis sales legal in Colorado as of tomorrow

P_1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/green-wednesday-colorado-prepares-for-over-the-counter-sale-of-recreational-marijuana-9030449.html

Probably one of the more interesting dates in relation to the 'War on Drugs' is tomorrow when over the counter sales of Cannabis become legal in Colorado. A good few 'coffee shops' opening up will bring a new meaning to the state's 'Mile High' nickname. It'll be interesting to see how the likes of the DEA and various other federal agencies will react to this to say the least.

Temptamperu

News Alert: Drugs win war on drugs.

looking_around

I have a friend out there.

Apparently it was already semi-legal. (legal under one jurisdiction, illegal under another), he's well looking forward to this though.

Wacker The Attacker

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed maaaaaaaaaan

Wacker The Attacker

looking_around wrote: »

I have a friend out there.

Apparently it was already semi-legal. (legal under one jurisdiction, illegal under another), he's well looking forward to this though.

I had a legal semi last night

Wattle

I would love sometime in the future to be able to go into a coffeeshop in Ireland and buy a nice bag of weed. Don't know if I'll ever see it in my lifetime

whiskeyman

'In other news, retailers forewarned of a surge in potato chips and candy sales...'

P_1

Interestingly it seems the new shops might be having some banking problems, ironically thanks to federal law

http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24805239/state-owned-bank-wont-work-marijuana-cash

My name is URL

Wattle wrote: »

I would love sometime in the future to be able to go into a coffeeshop in Ireland and buy a nice bag of weed. Don't know if I'll ever see it in my lifetime

How many politicians are willing to even discuss the issue here?

P_1

whiskeyman wrote: »

'In other news, retailers forewarned of a surge in potato chips and candy sales...'

There might be a shortage of cannabis there actually

My name is URL wrote: »

How many politicians are willing to even discuss the issue here?

Excluding those who's only discussion of it is a resounding no?

Wattle

My name is URL wrote: »

How many politicians are willing to even discuss the issue here?

Going by Ming's recent effort not very many. Most politicians in the traditional parties would regard it as political suicide to be anything other than anti.

InTheTrees

Its been legal in the states of Colorado and Washington since the beginning of this year.

Tomorrow's milestone is the opening day for the Shops selling it to open.

Here in Washington State we have to wait until June for the shops to open. They've handed out over 350 licenses so far.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-31/pot-shops-in-denver-open-door-to-578-million-in-sales.html

BorneTobyWilde

$196 an ounce. Why is it expensive?

BorneTobyWilde

Will be interesting to see by how much theft goes up next year in Colorado

InTheTrees

Weird isnt it?

Here's the website of just two of the retail shops opening at 9am tomorrow in Colorado. Check out the Products page.

How on earth are they ever going to stop these "products" from spreading all over the country? And the world for that matter. I mean one little bottle of "tincture" isnt going to be found very easily by Customs anywhere. And a bottle of juice? Its not like the old traditional sniffer dogs would be very effective anymore.

http://tgscolorado.com/index.php
http://www.3dmmc.com

And here's the website of one of the manufacturers of edibles and drinks:

https://dixieelixirs.com/

B.A._Baracus

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

$196 an ounce. Why is it expensive?

I know nothing about hash or weed or whatever. Smoked it twice and beer is just my preferred thing. But if its so much more expensive won't that mean your local drug dealer, who sells for much much cheaper, is still going to be in business? :pac:

I mean isnt one of the points of making it legal to try and stop the illegal drug trade. How you going to stop it if you make your legal option so expensive :pac:

InTheTrees

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Will be interesting to see by how much theft goes up next year in Colorado

Theft?

Given that weed may replace some of the alcohol and meth abuse you'd expect theft to fall wouldnt you?

InTheTrees

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I know nothing about hash or weed or whatever. Smoked it twice and beer is just my preferred thing. But if its so much more expensive won't that mean your local drug dealer, who sells for much much cheaper, is still going to be in business? :pac:

I mean isnt one of the points of making it legal to try and stop the illegal drug trade. How you going to stop it if you make your legal option so expensive :pac:

Ive read prices will be between $140 and $200/oz (about 100-140 euros) in Seattle. Which is competitive with the "unlicensed" price.

qaf

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

$196 an ounce. Why is it expensive?

Because one of the main talking points that proponents of legalization use is that the government will take in all this new tax revenue. This is only possible if some of the states legalize while the majority don't and the federal government could still crack down. If it was legalized nationwide, large scale commercial production would make marijuana no more expensive than tobacco and most people don't smoke 20 joints a day. If you charge too much in taxes it just leads to a black market like there already is with tobacco, so generally all the revenue predictions are based on it not becoming fully legalized. Kind of like how all the jails are going to be empty even though it is close to impossible to end up in jail for marijuana possession alone and it is still going to be illegal for those under 21 which make up most of the users anyway and those most likely to get caught because they are smoking in public or in cars and not homes like older people.

BorneTobyWilde

http://www.3dmmc.com/about.aspx

''Because Denver is closer to the sun, it can feel much warmer than the actual temperature during the daytime''

Everything on that website seems to be written by someone high on drugs..

BorneTobyWilde

''amazing organizations which we support whole heartedly and ask all of you to too!''

My name is URL

P_1 wrote: »

Excluding those who's only discussion of it is a resounding no?

It's depressing that we have so many old-fashioned people in charge of the country.. those that will just oppose everything based on their conservative biases

Wattle wrote: »

Going by Ming's recent effort not very many. Most politicians in the traditional parties would regard it as political suicide to be anything other than anti.

I think I remember one FG TD saying that he'd welcome a full and frank discussion on the issue. Though he qualified that with saying that he'd support the party regardless of his own views.

What a wonderful democracy we live in.

P_1

My name is URL wrote: »

It's depressing that we have so many old-fashioned people in charge of the country.. those that will just oppose everything based on their conservative biases



I think I remember one FG TD saying that he'd welcome a full and frank discussion on the issue. Though he qualified that with saying that he'd support the party regardless of his own views.

What a wonderful democracy we live in.

Irish politics:

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Im amazed by those links

MadsL

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

$196 an ounce. Why is it expensive?

Quality.

And expensive?? Really. Compared to what?

MadsL

Signs tomorrow at 1am

Sorry, Sold Out.

tdonegan1990

Probably a stupid question but do u have 2 be a citizen??

BorneTobyWilde

MadsL wrote: »

Quality.

And expensive?? Really. Compared to what?

Compared to a weeks wage.

P_1

Actually MadsL out of interest, what are your views on public cannabis smoking given your strong views on public tobacco smoking?

batistuta9

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

$196 an ounce. Why is it expensive?

InTheTrees wrote: »

Ive read prices will be between $140 and $200/oz (about 100-140 euros) in Seattle. Which is competitive with the "unlicensed" price.

what would an oz. cost in ireland?

Wattle

tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but do u have 2 be a citizen??

In Uruguay it's limited to citizens. Dunno about Colorado.

EazyD

batistuta9 wrote: »

what would an oz. cost in ireland?

Three times those prices

batistuta9

EazyD wrote: »

Three times those prices

three times the $140(€100) or $200(€145)

EazyD

batistuta9 wrote: »

three times the $140(€100) or $200(€145)

Either depending on many factors

MadsL

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Compared to a weeks wage.

That's an ounce ffs. How much do you plan to smoke in week!!

P_1 wrote: »

Actually MadsL out of interest, what are your views on public cannabis smoking given your strong views on public tobacco smoking?

Public smoking of cannabis is still illegal in CO.

I'd say cannabis should follow similar laws as tobacco - not everyone wants their kids getting a facefull.

I was a bit shocked the other day - with friends passing Adderall around in front of kids and talking openly and loudly about the effects. My view is that just because it is legal it probably should not be on full display.


EDIT: Note there are still plenty of places where you can be arrested Federally for possession - National Forests being one, so it is still illegal to toke on the ski lift in many places.

batistuta9

EazyD wrote: »

Either depending on many factors

such as?

kingtiger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Will be interesting to see by how much theft goes up next year in Colorado

Will be interesting to see how much theft goes down in the next year in Colorado

Sea Sharp

tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but do u have 2 be a citizen??

Restrictions say they can sell a max of 1 ounce to a Colorado citizen, 1/4 ounce for non Coloradoians.

P_1

MadsL wrote: »

Public smoking of cannabis is still illegal in CO.

I'd say cannabis should follow similar laws as tobacco - not everyone wants their kids getting a facefull.

I was a bit shocked the other day - with friends passing Adderall around in front of kids and talking openly and loudly about the effects. My view is that just because it is legal it probably should not be on full display.

Had to google Adderall there, it's always struck me as strange that so many people are so quick to judge the likes of cannabis so harshly yet will gladly swallow pills that you can pick up at the chemist.

That's an interesting way of looking at it alright. I dunno, on the one hand educating people about the positive and negative effects of something is useful, on the other, perhaps kids haven't quite developed the critical thought needed to fully appreciate the education.

downonthefarm

Congrats to them,
Best of luck I say

batistuta9

P_1 wrote: »

That's an interesting way of looking at it alright. I dunno, on the one hand educating people about the positive and negative effects of something is useful, on the other, perhaps kids haven't quite developed the critical thought needed to fully appreciate the education.

would the Netherlands not be the best place to study this/see what's happening

do their youth smoke as much as other countries, etc.

MadsL

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Restrictions say they can sell a max of 1 ounce to a Colorado citizen, 1/4 ounce for non Coloradoians.

The test is: Say the name of the state you are in.

Correct answer: Coloradah
Wrong answer: ColoraDOH!

Met so many Mr Garrisons up there m'kay.

eoinm95

where is my penis?

Titzon Toast

batistuta9 wrote: »

such as?

The quality, whether it's from "The Dam" or home grown for example.
Also, whether or not you're paying up front or if you're buying more than one ounce.

qaf

batistuta9 wrote: »

would the Netherlands not be the best place to study this/see what's happening

do their youth smoke as much as other countries, etc.

Don't quote me on this but last time I looked into this I am pretty sure studies in the 90s said the Netherlands had a high percentage of youth cannabis consumption compared to other countries while more recent studies say the opposite.

Proponents argue this means that legalization will not dramatically increase usage by youth - if at all - since everybody can pretty much already get cannabis. Opponents argue that the Netherlands is a distinct system where it is legal to sell in coffee shops but illegal to grow it (or something like that, I don't know exact laws) so it is not the full legalization that groups like NORML in the US promote. They would say that if full legalization happened the prices would drop to such a level that the increased affordability would manly impact the youth who would not have much money to begin with.

Opponents point to studies in the US that show that most youth seek treatment for marijuana than any other drug already. Proponents argue that many of these people are not necessarily dependent but are put into treatment by parents.

dundalkfc10

qaf wrote: »

Don't quote me on this but last time I looked into this I am pretty sure studies in the 90s said the Netherlands had a high percentage of youth cannabis consumption compared to other countries while more recent studies say the opposite.

Proponents argue this means that legalization will not dramatically increase usage by youth - if at all - since everybody can pretty much already get cannabis. Opponents argue that the Netherlands is a distinct system where it is legal to sell in coffee shops but illegal to grow it (or something like that, I don't know exact laws) so it is not the full legalization that groups like NORML in the US promote. They would say that if full legalization happened the prices would drop to such a level that the increased affordability would manly impact the youth who would not have much money to begin with.

Opponents point to studies in the US that show that most youth seek treatment for marijuana than any other drug already. Proponents argue that many of these people are not necessarily dependent but are put into treatment by parents.

Im pretty sure I read before in certain States in the US, if a teenager is caught with Canabis, he/she can avoid a criminal record by going on a treatment programme

qaf

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Im pretty sure I read before in certain States in the US, if a teenager is caught with Canabis, he/she can avoid a criminal record by going on a treatment programme

Yea I believe you are correct. I know in my state - before it was decriminalized anyway, I think it is just a ticket now - you would normally get 3-12 months of pretrial probation that could consist of random drug tests, curfews, narcotics anonymous, etc., with the charge ultimately being dismissed if you kept in line.

I am just not sure if they classify that as voluntary treatment or not because on one hand you are agreeing to do it but you also have the threat of more serious consequences even though most of that is just hot air.

The only ones who would fall for this anyway would be people that have other charges hanging over their heads or young kids that actually think they are going to lock somebody up for having some weed. The flip side is that many times the pretrial probation that was considered as a way to keep kids out of jail in the long run would ultimately end up with them in jail because they repeatedly fail the conditions of their probation.

Is that person in jail then solely because of marijuana or because they repeatably didn't agree to do what they had signed their name saying they would?

I was actually involved in all these type of diversion programs as a young punk and even my parents would agree that they do more harm than good. Saying that I don't see how the legalization - at least in the US - if it only includes people 21 and older solves this.

I personally think decriminalization and medical marijuana laws are enough. Full legalization is not really necessary if they are only targeting 21 and older because lets face it, what person other than a complete screw up or troublemaker gets caught with marijuana when they are over 21 unless they are driving around high or smoking it in public places? It would still be illegal to do this. I know there is individual cases that will disprove this but I am talking about in the big picture.

downonthefarm

In Ireland you can avoid prosecution by naming the dealer

RasTa

You would have to smoke a lot for an ounce to last less then a month.

I wonder if there will be any shops in Aspen

dundalkfc10

downonthefarm wrote: »

In Ireland you can avoid prosecution by naming the dealer

Bull****, if you name a small time dealer who youngsters normally get it off, the guards dont give a feck

InTheTrees

tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but do u have 2 be a citizen??

You only have be over 21. And what you buy cannot leave the state.

I know that here in Seattle, they plan on promoting the tourist aspect. Just like the vineyards do.

Come to Washington state and try the local produce.