Getting a lickin

Creeks terms

Anyone ever get a lickin with a strap growing up? Grew up in the States and it was very common there. Not so it seems here!

Dave0301

Well that thread title wasn't ambiguous at all.

jimmy180sx

If you replace belt with wooden spoon...mammy's love wooden spoons

Mint Aero

It was a weekly occurence for a mate of mine growing up. I've never heard of anyone else getting it here, it's usually some comical rolling pin nonsense. Said mate has more convictions now than I've had hot dinners. "Dem dur discipline don't work"

Creeks terms

jimmy180sx wrote: »

If you replace belt with wooden spoon...mammy's love wooden spoons

In Ireland they favour the wooden spoon, especially Irish Mammys! In the US it was the belt to your rear end! I got it and so did practically all the kids in my neighbourhood.

Toby Take a Bow

Nope, never got any beatings myself, and didn't hear of any of my friends/neighbours either. Maybe it had stopped by the 70s or we just happened to live surrounded by enlightened adults.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

The idea of teaching a child how to be a well behaved, good mannered child by assaulting them goes completely over my head.

I find it outrageous and scary that there are adults out there who think they're doing their kids a favour by hitting them.


"Johnny, you've done something I don't like so it's ok for me to hurt you".

Any parent that would raise a hand to a child aren't fit to call themselves decent human beings.


And if I ever have kids, doubtful since I dislike them but still, it would be a major deal for me if the father of the child(ren) believed in beating them. If anyone ever raised their hand to my child I would make sure that they never were anywhere near my kids again, be that a parent, grandparent aunt uncle or childminder

bumper234

Nope, my parents loved me.

Gloomtastic!

Don't forget the slipper! My mum had the art of being able to run after me and take her slipper off at the same time, down to a tee!

Creeks terms

bumper234 wrote: »

Nope, my parents loved me.

I would say my parents loved me too! They just failed to see the harm in taking out the belt. Thankfully times have changed. I know they feel very differently about it these days!

Dj Stiggie

I was cooking in a friend's house recently and asked him for a wooden spoon. He told me he probably broke them all out of anger because his mam used them on him so much. My mam threatened me with it a lot but only used it maybe twice. We're 22.

cletus van damme

i had seven shades of ****e kicked out of me till i was about 16.


then throw in the oppressive religious outlook on life..

hmmm good times.:rolleyes:

michael999999

The " wait till your father gets home" usually was enough!

Even though he never actually did anything when he did get home.

Creeks terms

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

I was cooking in a friend's house recently and asked him for a wooden spoon. He told me he probably broke them all out of anger because his mam used them on him so much. My mam threatened me with it a lot but only used it maybe twice. We're 22.

I think corporal punishment happens more than we would like to think mores the pity. Yes it was definetly more common a few decades ago but it still happens to some extent today. It's very cultural. A lot of countries have outlawed it or wouldn't consider it good discipline but there's a number that still do. As said previously it's still big in the US. I have a cousin in the US who maybe as recently as the late 90's would have regularly taken his belt to his kids ( hence the OP ).

kneemos

Creeks terms wrote: »

Anyone ever get a lickin with a strap growing up? Grew up in the States and it was very common there. Not so it seems here!

Is this where S+M enthusiasts come from?

Dj Stiggie

Creeks terms wrote: »

I think corporal punishment happens more than we would like to think mores the pity. Yes it was definetly more common a few decades ago but it still happens to some extent today. It's very cultural. A lot of countries have outlawed it or wouldn't consider it good discipline but there's a number that still do. As said previously it's still big in the US. I have a cousin in the US who maybe as recently as the late 90's would have regularly taken his belt to his kids ( hence the OP ).

it really is a horrible punishment, moreso because my friend is a pretty good person, but even now his mam doesn't see him that way. The belt sounds much worse than the spoon, but no doubt they both have a horrible psychological effect.

BillyBoy13

cletus van damme wrote: »

i had seven shades of ****e kicked out of me till i was about 16.


then throw in the oppressive religious outlook on life..

hmmm good times.:rolleyes:

Same here. Except I had elitist atheist parents who convinced me we were better and smarter than everybody else. Worked out great until I failed my exams and some of the religious folks passed. If there's two things Ive learned its:

1) Dont hit your kids
2) Dont push any personal beliefs on kids no matter how convinced you are of there validity.

Iggy154

Caning was more popular in Ireland. Shop bought canes for the rich and if (like us) the family was poor a hazel rod with the bark stripped off did the job. There wasn't much choice but to behave when there was an endless supply of hazel rods ready to mortify the flesh.

UCDVet

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

cletus van damme

BillyBoy13 wrote: »

Same here. Except I had elitist atheist parents who convinced me we were better and smarter than everybody else. Worked out great until I failed my exams and some of the religious folks passed. If there's two things Ive learned its:

1) Dont hit your kids
2) Dont push any personal beliefs on kids no matter how convinced you are of there validity.

ah you brought back memories...the exam pressure.
my mother was a victim of not be able to accept others success...without some dig at us.
I was really good at school and very smart and they made me hate it

terrible stuff.

Toby Take a Bow

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

Because we think beating a child for doing something 'wrong' is fairly thuggish behaviour? And ironic too!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

Iggy154

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

There is a lot of corporal punishment of adults in private schools and in nurse training in india and nobody seems too bothered about it. Adults are generally larger and wiser than children and have to teach children right from wrong.

BillyBoy13

Why is hitting kids so much more acceptable than say hitting a dog. I mean if I start a thread on here saying "hey I hit my dog with a belt to put manners on him" you can just imagine the train wreck that would turn into. There would be no "I always hit my dogs and it never did them any harm" type replies.

UCDVet

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Because we think beating a child for doing something 'wrong' is fairly thuggish behaviour? And ironic too!

It's only ironic or hypocritical if you hold the belief that violence is always wrong. I don't, so it is neither for me. Unprovoked violence is wrong. Inappropriate violence is wrong.

Punishment, of any variety, is about punishing someone. It's meant to be unpleasant. Our prison system is no different. If I go out, kidnap you, lock you in a room, and feed you - I'd be a criminal. And I get put in jail. And they'd do the same thing to me that I did to you.

And yeah, forcing someone to reside in a place against their will is wrong and thuggish behaviour. It's illegal for you or I to do it to someone. But our legal system does it.

Creeks terms

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

"Got a few what exactly", if we are talking a few smacks with a hand to the behind then maybe it's not so bad. If we are talking about a belt that's a whole other thing and shouldn't be condoned today!

UCDVet

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

People routinely and regularly instill fear in children.

'If you don't look both ways, a car will hit you!'
'If you aren't good Santa won't bring you any toys'
'If you don't brush your teeth, they'll all fall out!'

Fear isn't bad. Fear CAN be bad. Physical punishment, IMHO, isn't bad. But it CAN be bad. So yeah - there are abusive parents and abusive spouses and I don't support their actions.

If you did ANYTHING you do to a child, to an adult; you'd probably end up in jail. If you checked to see if the man on the bus next to you had 'pooped his nappy' you'd go to jail too. If you tried to force a co-worker to eat more peas before bedtime, you'd probably go to jail. If you tried to bath an adult, you'd probably get arrested (unless they liked it!). If you picked up an adult and carried them to a quiet room and gave them a 'time out' against their will - you'd also go to jail.

So yeah - if you spank an adult (and they don't like it) you'll go to jail too. I don't see the problem with this.

Children are not adults. Your children aren't strangers. You have obligations to them, and that means you can do things to them you can't do to strangers.

UCDVet

BillyBoy13 wrote: »

Why is hitting kids so much more acceptable than say hitting a dog. I mean if I start a thread on here saying "hey I hit my dog with a belt to put manners on him" you can just imagine the train wreck that would turn into. There would be no "I always hit my dogs and it never did them any harm" type replies.

I realize I'm becoming the bad guy here; but the general idea that some would hold is that animals do not understand consequences on the same level as a child (particularly older children/teenagers).

I'd never sit down with a 5 year old dog and try to explain why it was bad to jump on the table and eat the chocolates that were sitting out. I wouldn't explain that, even though it tastes good, chocolate is bad for dogs....and that taking things off the table are bad.

But I would sit down and talk to a 5-year old and try to explain why they shouldn't do things that are dangerous or inappropriate.

Because dogs are different than children, I would treat them differently.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

So, ucdvet. Say you did something (minor) to piss off your wife, and she hit you with a cane, what would you do?

JacquesDeLad

Yeah I hated this stuff. I've experienced different types of punshiments at different levels of ferocity. On a 1-10 scale it would be Father-9 Mother-6 Primary Teacher/Coach-5 Secondary Teacher/Coach-4 Other Kids-3.

I don't think beating someone is ever the best way of educating but growing up without some understanding of discipline is a form illiteracy.

There's a balance between education and discipline that doesn't require the outright banning of smacking I think.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

There's lots of ways to discipline a child without physically assaulting them. If that's the only way parents have of disciplining a child then they're also suffering from a form of illiteracy

JacquesDeLad

There are lot's of way of punishing adults without putting them in prison, but it's there as a last resort.

poundapunnet

Got a few smacks but I really did deserve them and it was a rare occurrence, my mam used to threaten us with the wooden spoon alright but neither of my parents ever actually used a weapon. I'm fairly sure my granny wasn't kidding about the wooden spoon but thankfully I was faster than her. She did get me across the back of the legs with a hairbrush a couple of times though and I really wasn't even being that bold.

But I mean my parents were generally very loving and patient, in that wider context the odd smack for serious misbehaviour is fine,it gets the point across. Routinely or severely beating a child is a completely different thing.

Toby Take a Bow

UCDVet wrote: »

It's only ironic or hypocritical if you hold the belief that violence is always wrong. I don't, so it is neither for me. Unprovoked violence is wrong. Inappropriate violence is wrong.

That's true, but I would be of the belief that beating a child for any reason is unprovoked and inappropriate violence. I would agree with you re our legal system: the emphasis should be on reforming the person rather than just punishing them for the sake of punishment.

JacquesDeLad

I had a 'metre stick' broken over me when I was in Primary School.

I was actually proud of it at the time.

He was some sadistic bastard of a teacher to do that, now I look back. 4th class, what's that 9-10 years old?

rolliepoley

JacquesDeLad wrote: »

I had a 'metre stick' broken over me when I was in Primary School.

I was actually proud of it at the time.

He was some sadistic bastard of a teacher to do that, now I look back. 4th class, what's that 9-10 years old?

Say hello to bata.

Mr Viking

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

I agree, wooden spoon from mam and leather belt from dad growing up and it did me no harm! It's the decline in corporal punishment in the home that has a large number of teenagers spoilt, unruly brats.

IamtheWalrus

Regardless of the circumstances, I don't want to live in a society where violence against children is not an act punishable by prison. The tired old 'it never did me any harm' line irritates me. Just because you don't realise the harm it did, doesn't mean there was none.

FairytaleGirl

Out of curiosity, how many posting here have kids?

In my opinion (and experience) there's nothing wrong with discipline (including an odd smack). To reiterate another poster - did me no harm.
Although there is difference in being disciplined with an odd slap and being battered on the regular.

My younger siblings grew up without being disciplined much and the difference between me and my brother and the two younger ones was unreal. Both younger ones went completely off the rails in their teen's. And neither have respect for my parents now.

It's always easy to spot a child/teen that was never disciplined. They usually have zero respect for anyone.

anncoates

Creeks terms wrote: »

Anyone ever get a lickin with a strap growing up

You must be ancient if you were brought up in Little House on the Prairie?

Mr Viking

anncoates wrote: »

You must be ancient if you were brought up in Little House on the Prairie?

I think OP is an American, hence the "licking with a strap" line!

Frank Lee Midere

I don't think kids should be hit, I got the wooden spoon once as a child, on the (covered) ass when I was stealing food meant for later.

It's not really a torture weapon, soft wood on cloth. It smarts for 3 seconds. But in general kids need the same protection in law as adults. We can't hit adults.

anotherposter

Creeks terms wrote: »

In Ireland they favour the wooden spoon, especially Irish Mammys! In the US it was the belt to your rear end! I got it and so did practically all the kids in my neighbourhood.

i bet you have a strange fetish for bondage now

jackboy

Saying 'it did me no harm' might not make this statement true. People who say this believe hitting children is acceptable. Maybe this belief is the harm that was done. The abused sometimes end up being abusers.

anncoates

My ma gave me a occasional tap on the arse with a slipper and now I torture animals, can't hold down a job and beat people up all the time.

Plazaman

"The Sally Rod" was weapon of choice in my house, many a clip across the back of the legs I got with it and probably deservedly so, as I could be a wee bástard whn younger. I remember when I was about 9 years of age I set fire to some newspapers and a nearby hedge caught on fire. My granny who was 70+ at the time chased me with the sally rod and the fecker caught up with me. Must have been an olympian in her day.

It did leave me with a psychological issue, I respected my elders and still do to this day unlike come of the little pond scum that run wild these days with the blessing of the do gooders mantra "corporal punishment only harms". As with previous posts, obviously going around kicking 7 colours of shíte out of a kid everyday is not discipline just abuse. "The Sally Rod" was often threatened but rarely used but when it was it was an effective deterent.

AndonHandon

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

That's true, but I would be of the belief that beating a child for any reason is unprovoked and inappropriate violence. I would agree with you re our legal system: the emphasis should be on reforming the person rather than just punishing them for the sake of punishment.

Punishing for the sake of punishing is required if the victims of crime are to be vindicated. It's all well and good preaching the merits of reform and how it works better for society in the long run but in reality the victim will want to see punishment being handed down for the mere sake of it. Obviously reform should be the main emphasis but victims need to see that they are not being ignored by their justice system. That could have worse consequences than not even attempting to reform the criminal.

The point is that the world is not black and white. People are not perfect. The occasional clip of your child's ear or slap on the bottom when you are at your wit's end maybe necessary. There are so many aspects to consider but mainly if the message is to educate the child (don't throw food at the dinner table, for example) and the parent loves their child then, exhausting all other avenues, a clip across the ear may be necessary.

Rachiee

Theres been loads of research to show that corporal punishment doesnt work as well as things like time out. Most of the time the child just feels hurt and unloved and is too upset to even remember what they did to deserve it. IMO its lazy parenting and barbaric to boot. Most of the time parents who slap do so in anger and frustration.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Rachiee wrote: »

Theres been loads of research to show that corporal punishment doesnt work as well as things like time out.

There has also been loads of research that shows that it does work.

Polka_Dot

Rachiee wrote: »

Theres been loads of research to show that corporal punishment doesnt work as well as things like time out. Most of the time the child just feels hurt and unloved and is too upset to even remember what they did to deserve it. IMO its lazy parenting and barbaric to boot. Most of the time parents who slap do so in anger and frustration.

Yeah I got the odd slap as a child or got a fierce giving out to, but all I remember is how scared it made me feel, not what I'd actually done wrong.

Mr Viking

I think the vast majority of parents out there who use corporal punishment love their kids and are not abusers. What works in disciplining one child may not necessarily work for another. The fact is some kids just need a belt to their arse every now and then to keep them on the straight and narrow!