Getting a lickin

Creeks terms · 29-12-2013 11:02AM #1

Anyone ever get a lickin with a strap growing up? Grew up in the States and it was very common there. Not so it seems here!

Dave0301 · 29-12-2013 11:06AM

Well that thread title wasn't ambiguous at all.

jimmy180sx · 29-12-2013 11:08AM

If you replace belt with wooden spoon...mammy's love wooden spoons

Mint Aero · 29-12-2013 11:10AM

It was a weekly occurence for a mate of mine growing up. I've never heard of anyone else getting it here, it's usually some comical rolling pin nonsense. Said mate has more convictions now than I've had hot dinners. "Dem dur discipline don't work"

Creeks terms · 29-12-2013 11:15AM

jimmy180sx wrote: »

If you replace belt with wooden spoon...mammy's love wooden spoons

In Ireland they favour the wooden spoon, especially Irish Mammys! In the US it was the belt to your rear end! I got it and so did practically all the kids in my neighbourhood.

Toby Take a Bow · 29-12-2013 11:18AM

Nope, never got any beatings myself, and didn't hear of any of my friends/neighbours either. Maybe it had stopped by the 70s or we just happened to live surrounded by enlightened adults.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 29-12-2013 11:18AM

The idea of teaching a child how to be a well behaved, good mannered child by assaulting them goes completely over my head.

I find it outrageous and scary that there are adults out there who think they're doing their kids a favour by hitting them.

"Johnny, you've done something I don't like so it's ok for me to hurt you".

Any parent that would raise a hand to a child aren't fit to call themselves decent human beings.

And if I ever have kids, doubtful since I dislike them but still, it would be a major deal for me if the father of the child(ren) believed in beating them. If anyone ever raised their hand to my child I would make sure that they never were anywhere near my kids again, be that a parent, grandparent aunt uncle or childminder

bumper234 · 29-12-2013 11:19AM

Nope, my parents loved me.

Gloomtastic! · 29-12-2013 11:21AM

Don't forget the slipper! My mum had the art of being able to run after me and take her slipper off at the same time, down to a tee!

Creeks terms · 29-12-2013 11:24AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Nope, my parents loved me.

I would say my parents loved me too! They just failed to see the harm in taking out the belt. Thankfully times have changed. I know they feel very differently about it these days!

Dj Stiggie · 29-12-2013 11:29AM

I was cooking in a friend's house recently and asked him for a wooden spoon. He told me he probably broke them all out of anger because his mam used them on him so much. My mam threatened me with it a lot but only used it maybe twice. We're 22.

cletus van damme · 29-12-2013 11:31AM

i had seven shades of ****e kicked out of me till i was about 16.

then throw in the oppressive religious outlook on life..

hmmm good times.:rolleyes:

michael999999 · 29-12-2013 11:35AM

The " wait till your father gets home" usually was enough!

Even though he never actually did anything when he did get home.

Creeks terms · 29-12-2013 11:37AM

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

I was cooking in a friend's house recently and asked him for a wooden spoon. He told me he probably broke them all out of anger because his mam used them on him so much. My mam threatened me with it a lot but only used it maybe twice. We're 22.

I think corporal punishment happens more than we would like to think mores the pity. Yes it was definetly more common a few decades ago but it still happens to some extent today. It's very cultural. A lot of countries have outlawed it or wouldn't consider it good discipline but there's a number that still do. As said previously it's still big in the US. I have a cousin in the US who maybe as recently as the late 90's would have regularly taken his belt to his kids ( hence the OP ).

kneemos · 29-12-2013 11:44AM

Creeks terms wrote: »

Anyone ever get a lickin with a strap growing up? Grew up in the States and it was very common there. Not so it seems here!

Is this where S+M enthusiasts come from?

Dj Stiggie · 29-12-2013 11:44AM

Creeks terms wrote: »

I think corporal punishment happens more than we would like to think mores the pity. Yes it was definetly more common a few decades ago but it still happens to some extent today. It's very cultural. A lot of countries have outlawed it or wouldn't consider it good discipline but there's a number that still do. As said previously it's still big in the US. I have a cousin in the US who maybe as recently as the late 90's would have regularly taken his belt to his kids ( hence the OP ).

it really is a horrible punishment, moreso because my friend is a pretty good person, but even now his mam doesn't see him that way. The belt sounds much worse than the spoon, but no doubt they both have a horrible psychological effect.

BillyBoy13 · 29-12-2013 11:47AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

i had seven shades of ****e kicked out of me till i was about 16.

then throw in the oppressive religious outlook on life..

hmmm good times.:rolleyes:

Same here. Except I had elitist atheist parents who convinced me we were better and smarter than everybody else. Worked out great until I failed my exams and some of the religious folks passed. If there's two things Ive learned its:

1) Dont hit your kids
2) Dont push any personal beliefs on kids no matter how convinced you are of there validity.

Iggy154 · 29-12-2013 11:51AM

Caning was more popular in Ireland. Shop bought canes for the rich and if (like us) the family was poor a hazel rod with the bark stripped off did the job. There wasn't much choice but to behave when there was an endless supply of hazel rods ready to mortify the flesh.

UCDVet · 29-12-2013 11:53AM

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

cletus van damme · 29-12-2013 11:55AM

BillyBoy13 wrote: »

Same here. Except I had elitist atheist parents who convinced me we were better and smarter than everybody else. Worked out great until I failed my exams and some of the religious folks passed. If there's two things Ive learned its:

1) Dont hit your kids
2) Dont push any personal beliefs on kids no matter how convinced you are of there validity.

ah you brought back memories...the exam pressure.
my mother was a victim of not be able to accept others success...without some dig at us.
I was really good at school and very smart and they made me hate it

terrible stuff.

Toby Take a Bow · 29-12-2013 11:56AM

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

Because we think beating a child for doing something 'wrong' is fairly thuggish behaviour? And ironic too!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 29-12-2013 11:58AM

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

Iggy154 · 29-12-2013 12:05PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

There is a lot of corporal punishment of adults in private schools and in nurse training in india and nobody seems too bothered about it. Adults are generally larger and wiser than children and have to teach children right from wrong.

BillyBoy13 · 29-12-2013 12:10PM

Why is hitting kids so much more acceptable than say hitting a dog. I mean if I start a thread on here saying "hey I hit my dog with a belt to put manners on him" you can just imagine the train wreck that would turn into. There would be no "I always hit my dogs and it never did them any harm" type replies.

UCDVet · 29-12-2013 12:12PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Because we think beating a child for doing something 'wrong' is fairly thuggish behaviour? And ironic too!

It's only ironic or hypocritical if you hold the belief that violence is always wrong. I don't, so it is neither for me. Unprovoked violence is wrong. Inappropriate violence is wrong.

Punishment, of any variety, is about punishing someone. It's meant to be unpleasant. Our prison system is no different. If I go out, kidnap you, lock you in a room, and feed you - I'd be a criminal. And I get put in jail. And they'd do the same thing to me that I did to you.

And yeah, forcing someone to reside in a place against their will is wrong and thuggish behaviour. It's illegal for you or I to do it to someone. But our legal system does it.

Creeks terms · 29-12-2013 12:12PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I got a few. All well deserved and I'm glad I got them. Not sure why everyone seems to think it's so bad these days.

"Got a few what exactly", if we are talking a few smacks with a hand to the behind then maybe it's not so bad. If we are talking about a belt that's a whole other thing and shouldn't be condoned today!

UCDVet · 29-12-2013 12:17PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because if you took off your belt and hit someone your own age/size/build, or took a cane and smacked it across someone your own ages bare legs, you'd be arrested for assault.

It's barbaric to even consider using such force on a CHILD. Nothing short of a bully, to be completely honest.

If you even threatened to do that to your wife, "shut up or ill take my belt off and hit you", you're instilling fear and it would be regarded as domestic abuse. So why is it okay to do it to a child?

People routinely and regularly instill fear in children.

'If you don't look both ways, a car will hit you!'
'If you aren't good Santa won't bring you any toys'
'If you don't brush your teeth, they'll all fall out!'

Fear isn't bad. Fear CAN be bad. Physical punishment, IMHO, isn't bad. But it CAN be bad. So yeah - there are abusive parents and abusive spouses and I don't support their actions.

If you did ANYTHING you do to a child, to an adult; you'd probably end up in jail. If you checked to see if the man on the bus next to you had 'pooped his nappy' you'd go to jail too. If you tried to force a co-worker to eat more peas before bedtime, you'd probably go to jail. If you tried to bath an adult, you'd probably get arrested (unless they liked it!). If you picked up an adult and carried them to a quiet room and gave them a 'time out' against their will - you'd also go to jail.

So yeah - if you spank an adult (and they don't like it) you'll go to jail too. I don't see the problem with this.

Children are not adults. Your children aren't strangers. You have obligations to them, and that means you can do things to them you can't do to strangers.

UCDVet · 29-12-2013 12:19PM

BillyBoy13 wrote: »

Why is hitting kids so much more acceptable than say hitting a dog. I mean if I start a thread on here saying "hey I hit my dog with a belt to put manners on him" you can just imagine the train wreck that would turn into. There would be no "I always hit my dogs and it never did them any harm" type replies.

I realize I'm becoming the bad guy here; but the general idea that some would hold is that animals do not understand consequences on the same level as a child (particularly older children/teenagers).

I'd never sit down with a 5 year old dog and try to explain why it was bad to jump on the table and eat the chocolates that were sitting out. I wouldn't explain that, even though it tastes good, chocolate is bad for dogs....and that taking things off the table are bad.

But I would sit down and talk to a 5-year old and try to explain why they shouldn't do things that are dangerous or inappropriate.

Because dogs are different than children, I would treat them differently.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 29-12-2013 12:25PM

So, ucdvet. Say you did something (minor) to piss off your wife, and she hit you with a cane, what would you do?

JacquesDeLad · 29-12-2013 12:27PM

Yeah I hated this stuff. I've experienced different types of punshiments at different levels of ferocity. On a 1-10 scale it would be Father-9 Mother-6 Primary Teacher/Coach-5 Secondary Teacher/Coach-4 Other Kids-3.

I don't think beating someone is ever the best way of educating but growing up without some understanding of discipline is a form illiteracy.

There's a balance between education and discipline that doesn't require the outright banning of smacking I think.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 29-12-2013 12:28PM

There's lots of ways to discipline a child without physically assaulting them. If that's the only way parents have of disciplining a child then they're also suffering from a form of illiteracy

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