BDO world championship 2014

Sparks43

Taken from the respective organizations the current top 32

If played over best of 7 sets i could only see a max of 3 Matches going to BDO players with the PDC taking the rest.

Anyone else have a view?





BDO VS PDC
1 Stephen Bunting van Gerwen, Michael 
2 James Wilson Taylor, Phil
3 Robbie Green Whitlock, Simon
4 Jan Dekker Lewis, Adrian
5 Geert de Vos Chisnall,Dave
6 Remco van Eijden Wade, James
7 Darryl Fitton Wright, Peter
8 Jeffrey de Graaf Newton, Wesley
9 Gary Robson Thornton, Robert
10 Martin Adams van Barneveld, Raymond 
11 Glen Durrant Hamilton, Andy
12 Ross Montgomery Pipe, Justin
13 Scott Mitchell Huybrechts,Kim
14 Rick Hofstra Dolan, Brendan
15 Tony O'Shea King, Mervyn
16 Jim Williams White, Ian 
17 Wesley Harms Baxter, Ronnie
18 Ron Meulenkamp Anderson, Gary
19 Paul Jennings Jenkins, Terry
20 Tony Eccles Painter, Kevin
21 Jamie Hughes Nicholson, Paul
22 Garry Thompson Caven, Jamie
23 Martin Atkins Beaton, Steve
24 Tom Gregory Lloyd, Colin
25 Sam Head Webster, Mark
26 Alan Norris Smith, Andy
27 Richie George Burnett, Richie
28 Madars Razma Part, John
29 Benito van de Pas van der Voort, Vincent
30 Michel van der Horst Smith, Michael
31 John Walton Walsh, Mark
32 Scott Waites Kellett, Stuart

leggo

Sparks43 wrote: »

Taken from the respective organizations the current top 32

If played over best of 7 sets i could only see a max of 3 Matches going to BDO players with the PDC taking the rest.

Anyone else have a view?

Maybe Fitton, maybe Wolfie, O'Shea and Waites. It starts to get ridiculous though when you see Dekker's name beside Lewis.

RichieLawlor

leggo wrote: »

Maybe Fitton, maybe Wolfie, O'Shea and Waites. It starts to get ridiculous though when you see Dekker's name beside Lewis.

Adams wouldn't be beat Van Barneveld, no chance. O Shea has a chance, Wesley Harms against Baxter aswell and of course Waites. Mad to see him at 32

Inner City Hedgehog

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Do hedgehogs not hibernate.

Any chance you'd go away for a couple of months!

TbL

Tony Fleet's woes at Lakeside in 2010 are regularly laughed at by pdc-biased posters.

Yet the ten lowest averages in world championship history are all by pdc players (excluding Martin Atkins's injury-affected performance against Rick Hofstra this year).

sc86

what about the top 10 ?

hawaii501

sc86 wrote: »

what about the top 10 ?

You're not being fair, this is anti-PDC

Firewalkwithme

Inner City Hedgehog wrote: »

Since 1994, there have been 31 sub-70 averages in the PDC world championship while there have been only 4 in the BDO, with one of those being the injured Martin Atkins this year.

Gulf in class indeed.

Well let's take a look at this shall we? There have indeed been a great many more low averages in the PDC but I believe this is due to two main reasons. Firstly, many of those low averages came in the early days of the organisation where outside of the top 16 the was not so much strength in depth as the now is. Another factor is simply because the televised element of the PDC championship is so much larger than the BDO one, 72 players vs. just 40 for the BDO. As a result, we are going to see a lot more of the lower ranked players in the tv stages of the competition and naturally we will therefore see lower averages. Were the BDO to give their players the same exposure that the PDC do, we would certainly see these kind of averages occur much more often than we have. I personally believe that it is a good thing to give players a chance to play on the big stage giving them experience they can take with them going forward rather than only putting the elite on tv.

I have also compiled some statistics below based on the the BDO and PDC World Championships from 1994 to present. I think the numbers speak for themselves but of course everyone will draw their own conclusions.

Year BDO PDC
Win Avg. Lose Avg. Comb. Avg. Win Avg. Lose Avg. Comb Avg.
1994 82.44 80.31 162.75 94.38 90.62 185.00
1995 93.63 91.23 184.86 94.11 87.15 181.26
1996 90.27 88.05 178.32 98.52 101.49 200.01
1997 92.19 92.01 184.20 100.92 96.78 197.70
1998 93.96 97.14 191.10 103.98 90.75 194.73
1999 94.65 94.65 189.30 97.11 93.63 190.74
2000 92.40 88.35 180.75 94.42 91.80 186.22
2001 95.55 94.86 190.41 107.46 92.58 200.04
2002 93.57 89.67 183.24 98.47 91.35 189.82
2003 94.86 90.66 185.52 96.87 99.98 196.85
2004 97.08 91.02 188.10 96.03 90.48 186.51
2005 96.78 91.35 188.13 96.14 90.66 186.80
2006 90.42 93.06 183.48 106.74 91.72 198.46
2007 90.30 87.09 177.39 100.93 100.86 201.79
2008 92.07 93.92 185.99 92.86 85.10 177.96
2009 91.46 90.54 182.00 110.94 101.48 212.42
2010 95.01 93.42 188.43 104.38 100.51 204.89
2011 92.13 89.08 181.21 99.40 99.41 198.81
2012 90.00 87.78 177.78 93.06 90.83 183.89
2013 86.43 81.90 168.33 103.04 100.66 203.70
2014 96.18 92.19 188.37 100.10 95.71 195.81
Avg. Avg. 92.45 90.39 182.84 99.52 94.45 193.97


BDO PDC
100+ Avg's. 17 76


Top 5 Avg's. BDO PDC
1 103.83 111.21
2 102.63 110.94
3 101.67 109.00
4 101.55 108.80
5 101.40 108.39


9 Darters BDO PDC
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BQQ

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

Well let's take a look at this shall we? There have indeed been a great many more low averages in the PDC but I believe this is due to two main reasons. Firstly, many of those low averages came in the early days of the organisation where outside of the top 16 the was not so much strength in depth as the now is. Another factor is simply because the televised element of the PDC championship is so much larger than the BDO one, 72 players vs. just 40 for the BDO. As a result, we are going to see a lot more of the lower ranked players in the tv stages of the competition and naturally we will therefore see lower averages. Were the BDO to give their players the same exposure that the PDC do, we would certainly see these kind of averages occur much more often than we have. I personally believe that it is a good thing to give players a chance to play on the big stage giving them experience they can take with them going forward rather than only putting the elite on tv.

I have also compiled some statistics below based on the the BDO and PDC World Championships from 1994 to present. I think the numbers speak for themselves but of course everyone will draw their own conclusions.

Year BDO PDC
Win Avg. Lose Avg. Comb. Avg. Win Avg. Lose Avg. Comb Avg.
1994 82.44 80.31 162.75 94.38 90.62 185
1995 93.63 91.23 184.86 94.11 87.15 181.26
1996 90.27 88.05 178.32 98.52 101.49 200.01
1997 92.19 92.01 184.20 100.92 96.78 197.7
1998 93.96 97.14 191.10 103.98 90.75 194.73
1999 94.65 94.65 189.30 97.11 93.63 190.74
2000 92.40 88.35 180.75 94.42 91.8 186.22
2001 95.55 94.86 190.41 107.46 92.58 200.04
2002 93.57 89.67 183.24 98.47 91.35 189.82
2003 94.86 90.66 185.52 96.87 99.98 196.85
2004 97.08 91.02 188.10 96.03 90.48 186.51
2005 96.78 91.35 188.13 96.14 90.66 186.8
2006 90.42 93.06 183.48 106.74 91.72 198.46
2007 90.30 87.09 177.39 100.93 100.86 201.79
2008 92.07 93.92 185.99 92.86 85.1 177.96
2009 91.46 90.54 182.00 110.94 101.48 212.42
2010 95.01 93.42 188.43 104.38 100.51 204.89
2011 92.13 89.08 181.21 99.4 99.41 198.81
2012 90.00 87.78 177.78 93.06 90.83 183.89
2013 86.43 81.90 168.33 103.04 100.66 203.7
2014 96.18 92.19 188.37 100.1 95.71 195.81
Avg. Avg. 97.069 94.914 191.983 104.493 99.1775 203.6705


BDO PDC
100+ Avg's. 17 76


Top 5 Avg's. BDO PDC
1 103.83 111.21
2 102.63 110.94
3 101.67 109.00
4 101.55 108.80
5 101.40 108.39


9 Darters BDO PDC
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The 2nd, 3rd and 4th tables certainly speak for themselves.

The first one might too, but I'm afraid it's not in my language.
I'd be much obliged if you could explain what is going on there.
(lose avg > win avg in 1996 PDC for example??)

Firewalkwithme

BQQ wrote: »

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th tables certainly speak for themselves.

The first one might too, but I'm afraid it's not in my language.
I'd be much obliged if you could explain what is going on there.
(lose avg > win avg in 1996 PDC for example??)

Dennis Priestley lost to Phil Taylor despite having the higher average in 1996.

Table 1 show the winning and losing average from the final of each tournament and the combined average (both the winning and losing averages added together). The bottom row shows the 'average average' for each of the columns.

If you do spot any errors, let me know. Thanks.

I got the data from wikipedia and dartsdatabase.

Kingp35

Great work Cartoon_Head, very informative stuff.

I think you have your "average average" wrong though, definitely for BDO. It couldn't possible be 97.069 when a 97 average was only got once. To get the correct figure you add up all the averages and divide by the amount of years. So for the BDO win average average it would be 1941.38/21 = 92.45.

So the correct average average for the BDO win average is 92.45 which is even worse than you thought.

Firewalkwithme

Kingp35 wrote: »

Great work Cartoon_Head, very informative stuff.

I think you have your "average average" wrong though, definitely for BDO. It couldn't possible be 97.069 when a 97 average was only got once. To get the correct figure you add up all the averages and divide by the amount of years. So for the BDO win average average it would be 1941.38/21 = 92.45.

So the correct average average for the BDO win average is 92.45 which is even worse than you thought.

Yep you're right, I divided them all by 20. It's fixed now, thanks.

BQQ

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

Dennis Priestley lost to Phil Taylor despite having the higher average in 1996.

Table 1 show the winning and losing average from the final of each tournament and the combined average (both the winning and losing averages added together). The bottom row shows the 'average average' for each of the columns.

If you do spot any errors, let me know. Thanks.

I got the data from wikipedia and dartsdatabase.

Thanks for the explanation.
I thought it was tournament averages, rather than just finals averages.
Hence the confusion.

unknown13

Sparks43 wrote: »

Taken from the respective organizations the current top 32

If played over best of 7 sets i could only see a max of 3 Matches going to BDO players with the PDC taking the rest.

Anyone else have a view?

I think more than three.

I think Dolan would be given problems, O' Shea will cause problems to King in a good game, Burnett is a tough one after his performance going out in the World Championship, you have to give George some chance even though I do not rate George at all. He was probably the worst semi finalist in the BDO since Brian Woods was a semi finalist.

Harms, Gregory, Norris, Walton all win. Waites wins easily.