(Would you like the)Motorway speed limit to be raised to 130km/h

hungry hippo 4 · 10-12-2013 11:51am

re test everyone. How some people have licences amazes me!!

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 12:14pm

unkel wrote: »

Conclusion: (very) high speed on motorways does NOT kill

Zero deaths on autobahns in 2012?

I missed that bit. Which seite is it on?

hungry hippo 4 · 10-12-2013 12:26pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Zero deaths on autobahns in 2012?

I missed that bit. Which seite is it on?

they can drive though!

V.W.L 11 · 10-12-2013 12:30pm

if they put the speed limit up then the green party,eco warriors etc would be out in force complaining,JUST DONT VOTE THEM BACK INTO GOVERNMENT!!!!!

hungry hippo 4 · 10-12-2013 12:32pm

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

if they put the speed limit up then the green party,eco warriors etc would be out in force complaining,JUST DONT VOTE THEM BACK INTO GOVERNMENT!!!!!

doesn't travelling at higher speed use less fuel?

V.W.L 11 · 10-12-2013 12:33pm

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

doesn't travelling at higher speed use less fuel?

increases it

Nino Brown · 10-12-2013 12:35pm

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

doesn't travelling at higher speed use less fuel?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but no, going faster uses much more fuel.

V.W.L 11 · 10-12-2013 12:37pm

Nino Brown wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but no, going faster uses much more fuel.

sarcasm or else somone who never drove

Chris_Heilong · 10-12-2013 1:12pm

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

doesn't travelling at higher speed use less fuel?

Not exactly, you may be getting confused with when someone says they saved fuel by taking the motorway. In this case you use less fuel because you are moving at a constant speed with no stop starts traffic which will usually use up more fuel than the same journey on the Motorway.

unkel · 10-12-2013 1:38pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Zero deaths on autobahns in 2012?

I missed that bit. Which seite is it on?

No. Not zero deaths. Did you not read my post? The number of deaths is down nearly 90% in recent decades. With the unlimited speed limit still in place.

There's every reason this trend will continue with perhaps only a few dozen deaths in another few decades

No need at all to get rid of the unlimited speed limit. This would not have a material impact on the number of deaths as you can see from the statistics

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 2:28pm

For the statement "high speed does not kill" to be true, there would need to be zero deaths.

Deaths have occurred on autobahns, but clearly that road type is safer than others. Nothing new there.

Incidentally, my understanding is that only a small proportion of autobahns have no speed limit. Can't remember the figure but it has been posted somewhere on Boards at least once.

There are other reasons to limit speed, btw.

pafro · 10-12-2013 3:06pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

For the statement "high speed does not kill" to be true, there would need to be zero deaths.

Deaths have occurred on autobahns, but clearly that road type is safer than others. Nothing new there.

Incidentally, my understanding is that only a small proportion of autobahns have no speed limit. Can't remember the figure but it has been posted somewhere on Boards at least once.

There are other reasons to limit speed, btw.

There are still quite a few places in Germany where there is no speed limit:
http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf
and
http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit_e.pdf

Cuddlesworth · 10-12-2013 3:47pm

billie1b wrote: »

110km in lane 2 and 3 and 80km in lane 1 for slower moving vehicles (trucks and buses). The reason the slip road is there is to build up to the speed or match the speed of the traffic you are merging into, not to pull onto a motorway with a speed of 120km at 60km.
I had a lady one day in front of me pulling out from the Applegreen service station on the M4, she went down the slip road and completely stopped at the end of it, looked to her right and pulled out from a stop on the slip road straight into lane 1. Luckily it was a Sunday morning with hardly and traffic. If thats not dangerous, I dont know what is

There is a woman who does that every weekend on the M50 northbound entrance at Cherrywood. She goes into the shorter sliproad, crawls up at 20kph, stops at the top and waits for the motorway to clear. This is the 120kph 2 lane section btw.

The second time I saw it I reported her to traffic watch. Saw it again two weeks later.

unkel · 10-12-2013 5:18pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

For the statement "high speed does not kill" to be true, there would need to be zero deaths.

Millions of people are driving at high speeds on Autobahns every day. So in case just one of them dies you're saying it's not safe?

What a load of nonsense. You might as well lock yourself in your house and wait to die safely of old age :pac:

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 5:21pm

pafro wrote: »

There are still quite a few places in Germany where there is no speed limit:
http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf
and
http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit_e.pdf

That's very different to the gist of what I read on Boards previously.

I wasn't aware of the 130 km/h "recommended" limit. This raise an interesting question: what are the typical speeds on these autobahns, eg average and 85th Percentile speeds?

Any info on that I wonder?

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 5:24pm

unkel wrote: »

Millions of people are driving at high speeds on Autobahns every day. So in case just one of them dies you're saying it's not safe?

What a load of nonsense. You might as well lock yourself in your house and wait to die safely of old age :pac:

No, I'm saying that the report linked to earlier refers to deaths on autobahns. The report, or any similar document, does not justify your own conclusion that "high speed does not kill".

pafro · 10-12-2013 5:27pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

That's very different to the gist of what I read on Boards previously.

I wasn't aware of the 130 km/h "recommended" limit. This raise an interesting question: what are the typical speeds on these autobahns, eg average and 85th Percentile speeds?

Any info on that I wonder?

i am in Germany at least every other month in different parts of it.
Also drove twice the last 2 years with my own car through Germany to attend a meet of the car manifacturer i drive. (meet with some forum users I am moderator of)

In essence it is correct you can drive whatever speed you think is appropriate if there is no limit on the autobahn.

BUT....
- there is construction all over the place which is mostly limited to 80/100km/h
- Lorries.. There are sooo many lorries that mostly a 3 lane autobahn is down to 2 lanes due to the lorries.
- Other drivers are slower than you and you have to break

I attached a screen shot of my GPS app on my iPhone that shows the speeds I was driving.
As you can see, its not that you can drive 250+ for more than a half minute or so.

However, Germans are just the better drivers than the Irish. While 99.9% of the drivers in Germany only use the overtaking lane to actually overtake, I find that the overtaking lane in Ireland is mostly blocked by people crawling along the motorway.
Thats just one thing out of many that I noticed here.

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 5:30pm

In a country that size and with such an extensive network of motorways, there must be a huge variation in conditions.

I'd love the know what the data say.

Must search for German speed surveys...

pafro · 10-12-2013 5:52pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

In a country that size and with such an extensive network of motorways, there must be a huge variation in conditions.

I'd love the know what the data say.

Must search for German speed surveys...

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/13/speed-limits-reduce-number-road-deaths

unkel · 10-12-2013 6:04pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

does not justify your own conclusion that "high speed does not kill".

Semantics much? Of course people die on motorways. People die on bicycles, people die watching TV on their sofa. That doesn't mean watching TV kills, now does it?

My point is that high speeds on Autobahns are perfectly safe*. Have you ever driven there?

*provided there's no Irish drivers in the overtaking lane on any of them at any time

billie1b · 10-12-2013 6:11pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Cue one of my favourite videos on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZRxo3EWAc

His car is fitted with ABS, why didn't he try avoid the truck? Bit of a ridiculous video, 9 out of 10 people would try swerve out of the way of on coming danger

billie1b · 10-12-2013 6:17pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

There is a woman who does that every weekend on the M50 northbound entrance at Cherrywood. She goes into the shorter sliproad, crawls up at 20kph, stops at the top and waits for the motorway to clear. This is the 120kph 2 lane section btw.

The second time I saw it I reported her to traffic watch. Saw it again two weeks later.

Its a disgrace how they do it and get away with it, they shouldn't be allowed on any road driving like that let alone a motorway

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 6:19pm

unkel wrote: »

My point is that high speeds on Autobahns are perfectly safe. [/SIZE]

Define "perfectly safe" please.

And btw, can you quote the bit in this article where that conclusion is supported?

I've only glanced at it so far. Will read it later when I get a chance.

Iwannahurl · 10-12-2013 6:19pm

billie1b wrote: »

His car is fitted with ABS, why didn't he try avoid the truck? Bit of a ridiculous video, 9 out of 10 people would try swerve out of the way of on coming danger

Missing the (educational) point entirely.

billie1b · 10-12-2013 6:28pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Missing the (educational) point entirely.

Not missing the educational point at all, I know what the video is saying and doing, its just not a realistic conclusion, it was totally avoidable for the car in the outside lane, the video is saying the opposite of what you should do in the situation.

The car in Lane 1 had nowhere to go as he was blocked but the car in lane 2, though going slightly faster had time to react and avoid a collision, not just sit and go straight into it and see what happens. If that truck was 2 kids crossing the road it would have a totally different outcome.

Controlled experiment, dry road, three probably professional drivers all signalled when to brake, means total jack **** to be honest.

shedweller · 10-12-2013 6:53pm

They can raise the limit all they want. Lots of cars do this already and enforcement is minimal on motorways. Rightly so too. So drive away lads!

In my case, doing 130 will not get me to work much quicker. But it will use up a few hundred euro a year extra in fuel. I have too many other things to pay for to be filling up more than i do. Lots of people are in the same boat so wanting everyone to do the speed you want is unrealistic. Lane disipline improvements would allow those who wish to go quicker to do so.

In a nutshell AGS should enforce lane discipline and the rest will sort itself out.

seamus · 10-12-2013 6:56pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

For the statement "high speed does not kill" to be true, there would need to be zero deaths.

No, that's logically inconsistent, because you would need to show that all deaths are caused by high speeds.

Because someone has died on the autobahn, does not indicate that high speed was the causative factor.

GTE · 10-12-2013 7:00pm

billie1b wrote: »

His car is fitted with ABS, why didn't he try avoid the truck? Bit of a ridiculous video, 9 out of 10 people would try swerve out of the way of on coming danger

I think you have missed the point of the video utterly.

Demonstrations of braking distance differences can be quite bland and are not always good enough for viewers to get the point.

A perfectly visible example of what that distance can mean is much more effective.

It takes one thing to block the avoidance action which you are dismissing the whole concept of distance differentials with.

Seems very obvious to me but that's just me.

shedweller · 10-12-2013 7:02pm

seamus wrote: »

No, that's logically inconsistent, because you would need to show that all deaths are caused by high speeds.

Because someone has died on the autobahn, does not indicate that high speed was the causative factor.

Correct. Bad driving is more likely to be the cause. The higher speed just made the injuries more severe.

billie1b · 10-12-2013 7:08pm

bbk wrote: »

I think you have missed the point of the video utterly.

Demonstrations of braking distance differences can be quite bland and are not always good enough for viewers to get the point.

A perfectly visible example of what that distance can mean is much more effective.

It takes one thing to block the avoidance action which you are dismissing the whole concept of distance differentials with.

Seems very obvious to me but that's just me.

The video and what the video stands for is obvious, breaking distance, but what i'm saying is the video is not very educational, some people, not all, will think because of the video that its ok to just brake and hit whatever is in the way, when in fact you should be trying to avoid it at all possible chances

(Would you like the)Motorway speed limit to be raised to 130km/h

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