Rod Licence

Dian Cecht

Heard the Government are introducing a new rod licence or some such scheme...........................Anyone know anything about this?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

There have been several threads on here about it.

This is just one -http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057079599

Dian Cecht

Thanks. New to this internet stuff I actually had a look at the thread titles before I posted and nothing looked to cover it.

I'll read that thread now.

DANNY22XX

ive read all the threads about this and im none the wiser

JimFish

It a comin. Checkl out attachment

jkchambers

JimFish wrote: »

It a comin. Checkl out attachment

Is that an official IFI or Dept document ?

DANNY22XX

im still none the wiser to me all this new proposed statements and Jargan is really just an excuse to keep someone in a job in IFI why cant they just say in lay mans terms it will cost you this amount if your a coarse fishing ,,,this much for sea fishing ,,for salmon or trout this much and be done with it so it can be discussed instead of peeing around the rim and using what happend in 1950 and how great it was in 72

jkchambers

Basically it is proposed that there be a compulsory angler contribution of around €40. When you make your contribution you indicate which fund you want you money to go into - pike, trout, coarse etc. That money goes into a ringfenced fund and will be spent on fisheries development, protection , youth angling etc. Management committees including anglers will be set up to spend the money by giving grant aid to clubs etc. The salmon licence will be scrapped. The Midland permit which you need to fish the Inny and Suck systems, Brosna etc will also be scrapped. There will be a reduced rate for juniors and tourists etc.

DANNY22XX

so will this be added to the current Fishing Licence or are they gonna change the whole protocol

jkchambers

DANNY22XX wrote: »

so will this be added to the current Fishing Licence or are they gonna change the whole protocol

What current fishing licence ?

floattuber_lee

you just no all the money will go to paying directors who will sit in meetings scratching their arses and doing nothing. how they can ask sea anglers to pay a contribution when trawlers are hoovering up all the fish they are targetting i dont know! imagine having a rainbow trout fishery or a coarse fishery and chatging lads to fish it, but also let guys go in with nets! makes no sense

JimFish

I cannot state categorically the document source but I believe it is authentic. My big gripe is that on my on fishing terirory (Lough Ree) there are twelve commercial net licences for trout. I cannot keep a fish under 14 inches(which I agree with) but the net men can keep any over 12 inches, sour taste to licence under those circumstances especially when I return nearly all my fish unharmed.

floattuber_lee

JimFish wrote: »

I cannot state categorically the document source but I believe it is authentic. My big gripe is that on my on fishing terirory (Lough Ree) there are twelve commercial net licences for trout. I cannot keep a fish under 14 inches(which I agree with) but the net men can keep any over 12 inches, sour taste to licence under those circumstances especially when I return nearly all my fish unharmed.

Thats nuts! how they can get away with that ****e is unreal!

jkchambers

JimFish wrote: »

I cannot state categorically the document source but I believe it is authentic. My big gripe is that on my on fishing terirory (Lough Ree) there are twelve commercial net licences for trout. I cannot keep a fish under 14 inches(which I agree with) but the net men can keep any over 12 inches, sour taste to licence under those circumstances especially when I return nearly all my fish unharmed.

I think that document may have been up on the IFI website for a short time. Those commercial nets on Ree are a problem OK. Think they will have to bought out at sometime. Cant just cancel them as they would end up in court like before.

bizidea

the money will be ringfenced for the directors and their buddies and their fat fat pension schemes and huge salaries and jack s**t will be spent on fisheries come on people have ye not figured out how this great little country works yet. they will do anything to get a few quid in

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

It will certainly do nothing for anglers in areas not renowned for fishing. Who's going to stock or improve a small pike lake in Louth? Or what's in this for a guy who shore fishes in Meath on his own or with a couple of mates. All this will serve is the Salmon and trout angling in the favoured waters., or pike angling for tourists on the major lakes. I keep saying it but apart from membership to fish some trout or salmon waters, most anglers I know who shore fish or coarse fish are not members of any clubs or federations.

jkchambers

All the Federations have been requested to attend a meeting with IFI on Tuesday afternoon

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

jkchambers wrote: »

All the Federations have been requested to attend a meeting with IFI on Tuesday afternoon

Hooray! Some federations, that we know nothing about and know nothing of us, will sort it all out! Three cheers!

Zzippy

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

Hooray! Some federations, that we know nothing about and know nothing of us, will sort it all out! Three cheers!

I take your point, but federations do represent a lot of anglers, and can communicate to a large number of anglers through clubs, so it makes sense for IFI to meet federations as it enables them to deal with a large number of stakeholders at one time, without going through the obviously ridiculous alternative of individually meeting every angler in the country. Unless that is what you are proposing...

coolhandspan

what will this rod licence give back to angler. will salmon licence still be needed. anyone read report??

EmptyTree

coolhandspan wrote: »

what will this rod licence give back to angler. will salmon licence still be needed. anyone read report??

Read first page of thread???

(post no.8)

coolhandspan

EmptyTree wrote: »

Read first page of thread???

(post no.8)

okay read it don,t see problem as long as juniors is 5 euro or less??
seems to make sense

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

coolhandspan wrote: »

okay read it don,t see problem as long as juniors is 5 euro or less??
seems to make sense

Exactly as I said. Salmon anglers get to keep the privileges their sport brings, with protection, stocking, access etc by just paying this licence instead of their current licence. The rest of the country can just continue their angling with no advantages except they now have to pay a licence to fish the small lake down the road that has no facilities nor interest from IFI or othersothers, or pay a licence to go down to a shore when fish are like hens teeth just for the fun of it. Or to fish for a few mackerel during their summer holidays. A very one sided arrangement that suits Salmon anglers, clubs and federations.

coolhandspan

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

Exactly as I said. Salmon anglers get to keep the privileges their sport brings, with protection, stocking, access etc by just paying this licence instead of their current licence. The rest of the country can just continue their angling with no advantages except they now have to pay a licence to fish the small lake down the road that has no facilities nor interest from IFI or othersothers, or pay a licence to go down to a shore when fish are like hens teeth just for the fun of it. Or to fish for a few mackerel during their summer holidays. A very one sided arrangement that suits Salmon anglers, clubs and federations.

yeah I agree, I personally am a trout angler and it looks like a good idea to me imho,.......

Bizzum

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

Exactly as I said. Salmon anglers get to keep the privileges their sport brings, with protection, stocking, access etc by just paying this licence instead of their current licence. The rest of the country can just continue their angling with no advantages except they now have to pay a licence to fish the small lake down the road that has no facilities nor interest from IFI or othersothers, or pay a licence to go down to a shore when fish are like hens teeth just for the fun of it. Or to fish for a few mackerel during their summer holidays. A very one sided arrangement that suits Salmon anglers, clubs and federations.

I would bet money that more fines are issued by IFI in your area for Coarse fish offences than Game.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Bizzum wrote: »

I would bet money that more fines are issued by IFI in your area for Coarse fish offences than Game.

I don't understand what you mean by that. I've never heard of anybody being fined for either and I fish both?

Bizzum

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

I don't understand what you mean by that. I've never heard of anybody being fined for either and I fish both?

Essentially what I mean to do is to refute your "no facilitates nor interest from IFI or others" argument.
Do you mean to tell us all that you believe there are no fixed penalty notices/ on the spot fines issued in your area? Nor indeed any court proceedings instigated against those in breach of fisheries legislation? Ever?
I mean I don't believe that?

spaceHopper

Bizzum wrote: »

Essentially what I mean to do is to refute your "no facilitates nor interest from IFI or others" argument.
Do you mean to tell us all that you believe there are no fixed penalty notices/ on the spot fines issued in your area? Nor indeed any court proceedings instigated against those in breach of fisheries legislation? Ever?
I mean I don't believe that?

No, he's saying that it will cost him 40 euros to fish the lake he's been quitely fishing and doing no harm for last few years.

This will not work well for small clubs on small rivers.

I fish the Dodder from time to time club membership is something like 10 or 20 euros and it's a great little river with a good stock of wild trout.

I'm not involved with the club but from what I can see they do a great job looking after the river. I bet there are lots of members like me that are happy to join but only fish it a hand full of times. I'd say that makes up a large part of the clubs income. With the 40 euro charge a lot like me will drop out. That will reduce their income and I bet they will get a very small slice of the income from the new license.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Bizzum wrote: »

Essentially what I mean to do is to refute your "no facilitates nor interest from IFI or others" argument.
Do you mean to tell us all that you believe there are no fixed penalty notices/ on the spot fines issued in your area? Nor indeed any court proceedings instigated against those in breach of fisheries legislation? Ever?
I mean I don't believe that?

Well, you may just believe it. I have been fishing for almost 60 years and I know what I'm talking about in this area.

floattuber_lee

I cant see it working for sea fishing at all, i mean if the money is meant to go into improving fishing and policing neither is possible for the sea.

For coarse fishing rivers and lakes can be improved to improve the quality of fishing and can be policed and needs to be policed due to people starting to eat coarse fish which was never a real problem in the past.

For game fishing there already is a license for salmon and it seems to be policed and regeneration work is carried out.

I myself fish for everything but would mainly fish for trout on rivers and occasionally lakes. If im going to have to pay 40E to fish i will expect to be tripping over baliffs enforcing bag/size limits. i'd expect water quality to be monitored and trout spawning beds to be protected and enhanced.

Do i expect anything like this to happen? absolutely not. Do i expect the money to fall into a bottomless pit that goes to clearing national debt.... more than likely!

jkchambers

I think that there will be a lot more consultation on this whole issue and maybe there will be. Proposal should be put on the table and there should be a good length of time for anglers and clubs to study and comment on them.

Bizzum

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

Well, you may just believe it. I have been fishing for almost 60 years and I know what I'm talking about in this area.

Ah come off it. Seriously. I know what I'm talking about too.

floattuber_lee

jkchambers wrote: »

I think that there will be a lot more consultation on this whole issue and maybe there will be. Proposal should be put on the table and there should be a good length of time for anglers and clubs to study and comment on them.

you'd like to think so, but get the feeling they will put in place so fast no one has time to ask questions or debate the issue.

Flysfisher

So the proposal is to get rid of the salmon licence and the most unfair midland lakes licence and have a €40 fee and the angler states which section they wish the money to go into. Is that right? What happens the salmon tags?

Seems to be a lot of confusion.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

floattuber_lee wrote: »

you'd like to think so, but get the feeling they will put in place so fast no one has time to ask questions or debate the issue.

IFI and Minister Fergus O'Dowd have had open meetings with anglers about this during the summer. It will be at least next summer before everything is finalized

floattuber_lee

how did people find out about these meetings? never heard a peep about them.

jkchambers

floattuber_lee wrote: »

how did people find out about these meetings? never heard a peep about them.

There were adverts in National dailies. Angling federations were informed though I dont think many got word out to affiliated clubs. I know that we (pike fed) certainly did. I posted notices of the meetings on 5 or 6 message boards

jkchambers

Andrew Short Fawn wrote: »

IFI and Minister Fergus O'Dowd have had open meetings with anglers about this during the summer. It will be at least next summer before everything is finalized

I think it could be a couple of years down the line if it comes in at all

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

floattuber_lee wrote: »

how did people find out about these meetings? never heard a peep about them.

Coarse and Pike Angling forums, it was talked a lot on them over the summer

jkchambers

Interesting, well attended meeting today. Inland Fisheries Ireland invited all the federations to the meeting. There has been a lot of debate on the issue of angler contributions. It was decided that a line be drawn under proposals to date on this issue. All the federations will meet in January to discuss all aspects of the new legislation. This will include trying to see whether an agreed position on angler development contributions could be reached.

dardevle

can you tell me who were the trout anglers represented by?

jkchambers

Both TAFI and NARA were there

dardevle

more info here for anyone interested;

https://www.facebook.com/norodlicence

Flysfisher

jkchambers wrote: »

Interesting, well attended meeting today. Inland Fisheries Ireland invited all the federations to the meeting. There has been a lot of debate on the issue of angler contributions. It was decided that a line be drawn under proposals to date on this issue. All the federations will meet in January to discuss all aspects of the new legislation. This will include trying to see whether an agreed position on angler development contributions could be reached.

So it's as you were for 2014 and beyond? No changes to the current very unfair system.

fisheries friend

wonder will the employ full time fisheries officers with this new bill?????

fisheries friend

i suppose a good thing with id cards will be that repeat offenders will now be got....no more for a guy ta hit a lake and if he's got just go to another part of the country and do it all over again

experimenter

For an insight into the proposed Rod Licence, check here. Don't listen to the spin.

No State Rod Licence in Ireland

Click in the "Like" button to show your support.

jkchambers

experimenter wrote: »

For an insight into the proposed Rod Licence, check here. Don't listen to the spin.

No State Rod Licence in Ireland

Click in the "Like" button to show your support.

There is a lot of spin on that facebook page OK. Most things twisted. That said, they are entitled to their opinion as are those who support an angler contribution to a 100% ringfenced development/protect/youth fund where anglers have a say in the spending of the funds

experimenter

I have no intenion in engaging with you.

Feel free to air your comments on No State Rod Licence in Ireland

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Discussion on this is quite useless as there are so many anglers plugging federations while many more have no involvement or knowledge of these federations whatsoever. There is a two tier system for angling in this country. People can pike fish or sea fish all their lives without encountering a club or federation. Areas of the country without strong angling tourism are also forgotten about.

Flysfisher

Wade Drab Leopard wrote: »

Discussion on this is quite useless as there are so many anglers plugging federations while many more have no involvement or knowledge of these federations whatsoever. There is a two tier system for angling in this country. People can pike fish or sea fish all their lives without encountering a club or federation. Areas of the country without strong angling tourism are also forgotten about.

That is very true. Too many federations, societies, lobby groups, experts etc etc. personally I am fishing over thirty years and I have no interest in any of them.