Stupid ads about how wonderful alcohol is

seanie_c

Another vomit inducing advertisement about the Irish and our romance with alcohol by Tullamore Dew is being praised as "beautiful" by pseudo journalists on the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h81oiF7VIOw

This Ad Exploits Every Irish Cliche And Stereotype Imaginable — And Is Still Astonishingly Beautiful

What a load of SH!T.

article here

Surely i'm not the only one sick of seeing the way alcohol is depicted in ads, especially in relation to Ireland.

An average of 88 people per month are dying of alcohol in Ireland and the manufacturers still glamorise it in every ad shown on TV.
Alcohol is a cancer on Irish society.

According to statistics here

it's costing us an estimated €3.7billion* a year in health, crime/public order and other ancillary costs, such as work-place absenteeism.

• 88 deaths every month in Ireland are directly attributable to alcohol
• One in eleven children in Ireland say parental alcohol use has a negative effect on their lives – that is about109,684 children
• There are 1,200 cases of cancer each year from alcohol in Ireland
• One in four deaths of young men aged 15-39 in Ireland is due to alcohol
• One in three road crash deaths is alcohol-related

We need to stop pretending consumption of alcohol is normal because it's setting a poor example to young people in Ireland that it's perfectly okay to do.

Look at the damage it's causing to society. It doesn't help to glamorise it in TV advertisements. And yes, I would support banning advertisements and especially sponsorship of sports...what a joke. Seriously, alcohol sponsorship of sports? Why not tobacco too?

Emotional branding expert, Graeme Newell discusses how the manufacturers of alcohol manipulate their audience with clever emotional based advertisements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVLe0xhalT8

Grayditch

Some people who drink alcohol are not a complete disaster.

Cookie_Monster

88 deaths every month in Ireland are directly attributable to alcohol
One in eleven children in Ireland say parental alcohol use has a negative effect on their lives – that is about109,684 children
There are 1,200 cases of cancer each year from alcohol in Ireland
One in four deaths of young men aged 15-39 in Ireland is due to alcohol
One in three road crash deaths is alcohol-related

replace 'alcohol' with 'alcohol abuse' in every one of those and they may begin to hold true, otherwise is just sensationalist nonesense with an agenda.

Look at the damage it's causing to society.

it does no damage to the vast majority of society who enjoy reasonable levels of intake.

we'llallhavetea

I don't think I've once bought a drink based on a tv advert.
cheap wine ftw

Vito Corleone

I can't wait for the Christmas Guinness ad. Once that comes on I get in the Christmas mood. :cool:

"Even in the home of the black stuff, we dream of a white one."

seanie_c

Grayditch wrote: »

Some people who drink alcohol are not a complete disaster.

Not exactly a huge success either.

Grayditch

seanie_c wrote: »

Not exactly a huge success either.

What?

SparkySpitfire

Oh stop being so sensationalist. Obviously this is close to your heart but do you really need to proselytize?

We need to stop pretending consumption of alcohol is normal because it's setting a poor example to young people in Ireland that it's perfectly okay to do.

It is. However, OVER consumption and abuse of alcohol is wrong and people should be taught to respect their bodies and their limits when it comes to alcohol consumption.

Also, it's is possible for media to depict horrible content in a stylistically beautiful way.

seanie_c

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

replace 'alcohol' with 'alcohol abuse' in every one of those and they may begin to hold true, otherwise is just sensationalist nonesense with an agenda.

it does no damage to the vast majority of society who enjoy reasonable levels of intake.

Yeah, 88 people per month dying of alcohol abuse is really nothing.
Doesn't even consider the abuse towards other people in society like women or children suffering domestic abuse.

Alcohol is fantastic....yeah.
My concern for society and the effects of alcohol consumption are purely based on a hidden agenda.

SparkySpitfire

seanie_c wrote: »

Yeah, 88 people per month dying of alcohol abuse is really nothing.
Doesn't even consider the abuse towards other people in society like women or children suffering domestic abuse.

Alcohol is fantastic....yeah.
My concern for society and the effects of alcohol consumption are purely based on a hidden agenda.

Did you even bother to read Cookie's post?
The point is alcohol is not evil, the ABUSE of said substance is what the problem is.

Alcohol ABUSE leads to death. And that is a problem. Alcohol itself, is not.

seanie_c

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Did you even bother to read Cookie's post?
The point is alcohol is not evil, the ABUSE of said substance is what the problem is.

Alcohol ABUSE leads to death. And that is a problem. Alcohol itself, is not.

And does that mean you agree glamorising it in media like radio and TV is a good thing?

How exactly does this substance enhance the lives of Irish people the way it's depicted in TV advertisements like Tullamore Dew?

Karl Stein

Dumb advert seeks dumber audience.

seanie_c

Vito Corleone wrote: »

I can't wait for the Christmas Guinness ad. Once that comes on I get in the Christmas mood. :cool:

"Even in the home of the black stuff, we dream of a white one."

No doubt they won't be showing you the women being beat up and raped over the holiday season because of alcohol abuse. Or the high rate of male suicides...

I can see Ireland is never going to change it's attitude towards alcohol consumption.

Drink up... :pac:

Grayditch

There's a difference between advertising alcohol and glamourising drunkeness.

"Look at these ridiculous ads where people drink and everything is ok"

This might come as a shock, but THAT HAPPENS! I'll be with you if you said there is far too little effort made to stop people drinking too much, but ads for alchohol? Get over it. We're not all victims of the addiction.

SparkySpitfire

seanie_c wrote: »

And does that mean you agree glamorising it in media like radio and TV is a good thing?

How exactly does this substance enhance the lives of Irish people the way it's depicted in TV advertisements like Tullamore Dew?

If you think I'm going to waste a precious 2 minutes of my life by watching an advert, you are sorely mistaken. That's why I have Sky.

seanie_c

Grayditch wrote: »

There's a difference between advertising alcohol and glamourising drunkeness.

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.
Or some fight is breaking out, or a couple are arguing...it's pure BS.

It's a complete waste of time, money, health...and yet these ads would have many believe it's great stuff.

Grayditch

Incredible post. I'm speechless.

April O Neill II

aya startin wha wrote: »

I don't think I've once bought a drink based on a tv advert.

No one ever thinks advertising works on them. :pac:

April O Neill II

Vito Corleone wrote: »

"Even in the home of the black stuff, we dream of a white one."

I hate the whispered 'Happy Christmas' after that sentence, it makes my skin crawl.

SparkySpitfire

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.
Or some fight is breaking out, or a couple are arguing...it's pure BS.

It's a complete waste of time, money, health...and yet these ads would have many believe it's great stuff.

You do realise that different people have different limits and reactions to alcohol? And that these people should realise that drink is not for them and they should curb/stop their intake?

You also realise that most people can go out for a few drinks, have a good time and not go on a drunken violent rampage after?

Right? Right?

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General General

This thread is the most heart-breakingly astonishingliest thread ever.

Just end it here... before some f`cken thanks whore steps in & rooooo-ins it.

seanie_c

Grayditch wrote: »

Incredible post. I'm speechless.

I'm just telling you what I've observed on streets of Ireland by people consuming alcohol. Maybe you're speechless because you know it does more harm to Irish society than anything else.

Seriously, go to any major Irish town and ask Gardai, Health services incl. womens refuge how many times a week they have to deal with physical assaults, criminal damage, rapes, domestic violence, car accidents, suicides, self harm...ALL because of alcohol....

Then come back and tell me what's so nonsensical about my arguments.
Attitudes towards alcohol in Ireland are really messed up.

Any wonder the rest of the world laugh at us with regard to alcohol consumption.

General General

seanie_c wrote: »

Seriously, go to any major Irish town and ask Gardai, Health services incl. womens refuge how many times a week they have to deal with physical assaults, criminal damage, rapes, domestic violence, car accidents, suicides, self harm...ALL because of alcohol....

They'd say that, would they? ...that it's ALL because of alcohol? or did you just make that up to bolster your argument with some hyperbolics?

seanie_c wrote: »

Any wonder the rest of the world laugh at us with regard to alcohol consumption.

Jesus H. Wept.

Most of the rest of the world don't think of us... from one end of the day... to the next.

Grayditch

He's drunk on bull****. Who knows what he'll say next.

Canis Lupus

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.
Or some fight is breaking out, or a couple are arguing...it's pure BS.

It's a complete waste of time, money, health...and yet these ads would have many believe it's great stuff.

You should have a drink... You sound like you need to relax.

Cookie_Monster

seanie_c wrote: »

And does that mean you agree glamorising it in media like radio and TV is a good thing?

people die on the roads all the time yet motor racing is glamorised....
it's not the same thing, not at all, just like me saying motor racing causes road deaths is silly.

seanie_c wrote: »

How exactly does this substance enhance the lives of Irish people the way it's depicted in TV advertisements like Tullamore Dew?

it's a relaxant, it's tasty, people get enjoyment from it. There's plenty of other things advertised that can kill if you abuse it, 'bad' food and obesity is a far far far larger (geddit ) problem, do you have the same problems with McDonald advertising or Tayto or Coke?

Frynge

For the last last twelve years our ( Ireland's) alcohol consumption has been decreasing. This is not new info.

Yes if you look for a problem you will find it but the problem is not alcohol it is ABUSE of alcohol that is the problem. As already stated.


I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find someone who abuses kettles, should we ban them too.

April O Neill II

Frynge wrote: »

For the last last twelve years our ( Ireland's) alcohol consumption has been decreasing. This is not new info.

Fairly sure that's wrong. Ireland's alcohol consumption soared during the boom years AFAIK.

Davelarson

The worst thing about that ad was the guy randomly quoting poetry, mainly because I know a few tossers in real life who do just that.

Davelarson

General General wrote: »

They'd say that, would they? ...that it's ALL because of alcohol? or did you just make that up to bolster your argument with some hyperbolics?




Jesus H. Wept.

Most of the rest of the world don't think of us... from one end of the day... to the next.

While I do think seanie_c is going a bit Maude Flanders on us, I remember teaching English to a class of foreign students. As I recall there was Japanese, Koreans, Italians, Spanish, Saudis, and few others. I asked them do they think Irish people drink too much and everyone of them said yes.

junior_apollo

Davelarson wrote: »

While I do think seanie_c is going a bit Maude Flanders on us, I remember teaching English to a class of foreign students. As I recall there was Japanese, Koreans, Italians, Spanish, Saudis, and few others. I asked them do they think Irish people drink too much and everyone of them said yes.

Did they know a lot of Irish people to be able to stereotype or were they basing their opinions on their teacher?

Frynge

April O Neill II wrote: »

Fairly sure that's wrong. Ireland's alcohol consumption soared during the boom years AFAIK.

Year on year decrease in alcohol consumption in Ireland since 2001.

I'll try and get a link.

Decrease in Ireland's alcohol consumption


The figures are from the revenue commissioners who are not known to skew figures so as to suit their agenda.

Boombastic

Alcohol- a social prop for insecure people

FizzleSticks

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Valetta

Boombastic wrote: »

Alcohol- a social prop for insecure people

Kinda like Boards, really.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Davelarson wrote: »

While I do think seanie_c is going a bit Maude Flanders on us, I remember teaching English to a class of foreign students. As I recall there was Japanese, Koreans, Italians, Spanish, Saudis, and few others. I asked them do they think Irish people drink too much and everyone of them said yes.

Pots and kettles come to mind.

Mint Aero

Oh I'm soooooo offended and worried about this. Oh thank you soooooo much OP for bringing this to my attention :rolleyes:

Davelarson

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Pots and kettles come to mind.

Are the Koreans heavy drinkers?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Davelarson wrote: »

Are the Koreans heavy drinkers?

Very much so. Big drinking culture and you see a lot of obvious public drunkenness. They do seem to avoid the fighting, destruction of property and general loutishness which occurs in Ireland however.

suicide_circus

1 in 11 kids say their parents alcohol intake has a negative effect on their lives. So for every one kid who has this problem, ten do not. Sounds good to me!

Davelarson

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Very much so. Big drinking culture and you see a lot of obvious public drunkenness. They do seem to avoid the fighting, destruction of property and general loutishness which occurs in Ireland however.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of this.

SnakePlissken

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

What bridge do you go for drinks under?

It BeeMee

seanie_c wrote: »

Another vomit inducing advertisement about the Irish and our romance with alcohol by Tullamore Dew is being praised as "beautiful" by pseudo journalists on the internet.

Wow.
An article in a Seattle newspaper about a film produced by a New York agency with a British director.

I hope I never have to go that far out of my way to get offended.

Collie D

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.
Or some fight is breaking out, or a couple are arguing...it's pure BS.

It's a complete waste of time, money, health...and yet these ads would have many believe it's great stuff.

You need to start going to different places. I had a few pints last night and enjoyed myself. So did the group I was with and most other people in the pub seemed to be having a good time although I didn't survey them.

razorblunt

I hate people telling me what I should and should not be offended by or what my reactions should be.
I also hate being made to feel like some sort of junkie because (and I'm not exaggerating here, 2 or 3 nights a month I want and) look forward to having a couple of drinks with friends.

In fact I'm getting married next year, I'm looking forward to buying a limited edition bottle of whiskey opening it with my Dad and having a wee dram before I leave the hotel. He can then keep the bottle. For what it's worth it won't be Tullamore Dew!


Or Johnnie Walker, plagerists that they are!

stoneill

Imagine that!
Ads are being made by people who's job it is is to make sure they sell stuff.
Oh the horror!

2ndcoming

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.
Or some fight is breaking out, or a couple are arguing...it's pure BS.

It's a complete waste of time, money, health...and yet these ads would have many believe it's great stuff.

If you ever went out and enjoyed yourself instead of sitting in watching those 'Coppers after dark' TV shows on Sky you might realise how ridiculous this notion is.

Duggy747

If all you see is people having a bad time on the drink then you're going to the wrong places.

seanie_c wrote:

I see more people lying collapsed on the street among broken glass and the contents of someone's stomach than happiness overall.

Where the hell do you be going?

UCDVet

Things aren't good or bad. Alcohol isn't good or bad either.

Some of the best memories from my life involve alcohol. I enjoy alcohol. I enjoy the effects of alcohol. Alcohol *is* wonderful, to me.

Alcohol is perfectly predictable. It has no choice, no free-will. It's just a thing. It isn't good, it isn't bad. *PEOPLE* have choice. People have free-will. People do bad things or good things.

Don't blame alcohol for people making bad choices.
Don't blame alcohol for people doing stupid things.

It's up to individual people, who enjoy freedom and freewill, to be able to control their actions. If alcohol *isn't* wonderful, to you, then you need to step-up, be an adult, and control yourself. Not, control *everyone*. Not pass ridiculous laws that stops me from enjoying myself. We don't need regulation to prevent 'stupid ads' - if you find them stupid, don't support the company by purchasing their products. If you find alcohol to be depressing, don't drink it....or don't spend time with people who do.

sbsquarepants

seanie_c wrote: »

Of course they don't glamorise drunkenness, they imply you'll have a fantastic time drinking it though and yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

They probably were enjoying themselves until you rocked up on your high horse, lecturing and judging.
Calm the fúck down - alcohol does not ruin the lives of everyone it touches - I love a scoop, no crippling addiction, no fighting, no cancer, no arrests - just a few scoops and a laugh!
Some people over do it yes, but it's really more their own fault than the bloody product or the people who advertise it now.

megaten

seanie_c wrote: »

yet rarely do I see anyone enjoying themselves after a few drinks in a bar or club.

I do