Occupy movement- remember them??

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Except it's not. Why do you subscribe to these guys anyway? You never explained.

Op and thread is about the US. Thats what being discussed obviously its still active , not sure what you are on about.

Just anti BS. Posts saying they haven't achieved anything despite evidence to the contrary.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Op and thread is about the US. Thats what being discussed obviously its still active , not sure what you are on about.

Just anti BS. Posts saying they haven't achieved anything despite evidence to the contrary.

Just so long as we both agree they're no longer active in Ireland.

That didn't answer my question. Why do you support these guys?

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Just so long as we both agree they're no longer active in Ireland.

That didn't answer my question. Why do you support these guys?

Its still going on Facebook and twitter in Ireland still the odd meeting, marchs etc

Think its a great movement achieved a lot.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Its still going on Facebook and twitter in Ireland still the odd meeting, marchs etc

Think its a great movement achieved a lot.

That they achieved a lot (a debatable statement in itself) isn't a reason to support them. Why do you support them? What policies of theirs do you agree with?

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That they achieved a lot (a debatable statement in itself) isn't a reason to support them. Why do you support them? What policies of theirs do you agree with?

Going a bit off topic there dude threads not about me!

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Going a bit off topic there dude threads not about me!

It's about the Occupy movement. Why do you support them? Would you describe yourself as communist?

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's about the Occupy movement. Why do you support them? Would you describe yourself as communist?

Have you seen the documentary "Inside Job"?
Sums up a lot of the issues there pretty well.
Occupy went about doing something about it and have been very successful.

Do I consider myself a communist!!! ffs
Em no.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Have you seen the documentary "Inside Job"?
Sums up a lot of the issues there pretty well.
Occupy went about doing something about it and have been very successful.

What have they done? What changes to the system have they inspired? Note systematic changes. A few housing bonds here and there isn't going to bring down the market.

20Cent wrote: »

Do I consider myself a communist!!! ffs
Em no.

Yet looking through their facebook page the movement is clearly Marxist. You support a Marxist movement.

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What have they done? What changes to the system have they inspired? Note systematic changes. A few housing bonds here and there isn't going to bring down the market.


Yet looking through their facebook page the movement is clearly Marxist. You support a Marxist movement.

Who wants to "bring down the market"?
Numerous examples in this thread of changes they influenced.

Clearly marxist!
I suspect you're the type who think kids sharing their lunches is marxist.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Who wants to "bring down the market"?
Numerous examples in this thread of changes they influenced.

Clearly marxist!
I suspect you're the type who think kids sharing their lunches is marxist.

I don't think you understand what Marxism is. If you did you wouldn't doubt for a second the movement is Marxist. Ignorance can be a dangerous thing when it comes to Socialism.

If you aren't communist then why support a Marxist movement?

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't think you understand what Marxism is. If you did you wouldn't doubt for a second the movement is Marxist. Ignorance can be a dangerous thing when it comes to Socialism.

If you aren't communist then why support a Marxist movement?

Tell me their marxist policies so.

Libertarians also support occupy does that make it libertarian?

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Tell me their marxist policies so.

Libertarians also support occupy does that make it libertarian?

Occupy don't have policies. On the other hand Marx believed capitalism would be overthrown and replaced with socialism through a violent uprising by the working/lower middle class urbanites in developed capitalist countries. He believed this transition was inevitable but gave no time line. Socialism would only be introduced when technology has made the concept of wealth inequality obsolete.

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Occupy don't have policies. On the other hand Marx believed capitalism would be overthrown and replaced with socialism through a violent uprising by the working/lower middle class urbanites in developed capitalist countries. He believed this transition was inevitable but gave no time line. Socialism would only be introduced when technology has made the concept of wealth inequality obsolete.

Interesting yet nothing to do with occupy. What they doing that you think makes them marxist?

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Interesting yet nothing to do with occupy. What they doing that you think makes them marxist?

Well Watson the red banners, pictures of Marx and talk of revolution on their facebook page was my first clue. What few policies they have is my second.

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well Watson the red banners, pictures of Marx and talk of revolution on their facebook page was my first clue. What few policies they have is my second.

Lots of libertarians taking part does that make it libertarian?
Revolution, wasn't that ron pauls slogan? No need to take everything literally. Persil was a revolution in washing powders.

What specifically have they done that makes you think its marxist?


Ps the little digs aren't helpful.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Lots of libertarians taking part does that make it libertarian?
Revolution, wasn't that ron pauls slogan? No need to take everything literally. Persil was a revolution in washing powders.

What specifically have they done that makes you think its marxist?


Ps the little digs aren't helpful.

What specifically have they done? Nothing. They haven't specifically done anything.that's the point.

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What specifically have they done? Nothing. They haven't specifically done anything.that's the point.

15 million in health related debt wiped out for one thing.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

15 million in health related debt wiped out for one thing.

That's nothing. It's not a systematic change.

20Cent

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That's nothing. It's not a systematic change.

Occupy said the markets were rigged to enrich a small few. Read the papers today?

Larry Summers was going to be made head of the fed but dropped out because he would be too controversial and a more dovish candidate selected.
Income inequality is the number one issue with young people in the US now for the first time ever.
Etc etc

It's like the monty python what have the romans done for us sketch now.

20Cent

Double post

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

Occupy said the markets were rigged to enrich a small few. Read the papers today?

Larry Summers was going to be made head of the fed but dropped out because he would be too controversial and a more dovish candidate selected.
Income inequality is the number one issue with young people in the US now for the first time ever.
Etc etc

It's like the monty python what have the romans done for us sketch now.

That had nothing to do with Occupy. I've read up on Janet Yellen because I'd honestly never heard of her before but I don't like her relaxed attitude towards inflation one bit. Inflation causes prices to rise which is usually not matched in an increase in wages. Meaning more people will be employed but they'll be earning less.

Godge

20Cent wrote: »

Yet two years later its still talked about and active.

Active?

20Cent wrote: »

Its still going on Facebook and twitter in Ireland still the odd meeting, marchs etc

Think its a great movement achieved a lot.

Hardly.

This thread actually reads more like a memorial service than anything else.

Very few people seem to remember Occupy. I asked a few colleagues about them. The conversations kind of went like this.

"Weren't they the hippies outside the Central Bank?" "That place smelled near the end" "What did they want?" "Can't remember really" "Something about the bailout"

Jonny7

20Cent wrote: »

Occupy said the markets were rigged to enrich a small few.

Which is on the same cerebral level as saying "horse races are rigged to enrich a small few" because several horse races have been rigged

Then going out and protesting horse races

It's on that level of idiocy

20Cent

Jonny7 wrote: »

Which is on the same cerebral level as saying "horse races are rigged to enrich a small few" because several horse races have been rigged

Then going out and protesting horse races

It's on that level of idiocy

Not really.
Been reading about libor in the UK and jp morgan etc in the US.

20Cent

Godge wrote: »

Active?



Hardly.

This thread actually reads more like a memorial service than anything else.

Very few people seem to remember Occupy. I asked a few colleagues about them. The conversations kind of went like this.

"Weren't they the hippies outside the Central Bank?" "That place smelled near the end" "What did they want?" "Can't remember really" "Something about the bailout"

Did you read the op? Looks active to me. Thread is about the occupy movement in the US and in general. Your straw poll of colleagues isn't really relevant.

20Cent

Jonny7 wrote: »

Which is on the same cerebral level as saying "horse races are rigged to enrich a small few" because several horse races have been rigged

Then going out and protesting horse races

It's on that level of idiocy

Not really.
Been reading about libor in the UK and jp morgan etc in the US.

Jonny7

20Cent wrote: »

Not really.
Been reading about libor in the UK and jp morgan etc in the US.

It's exactly the same analogy with the same common denominator

The fact that you are reading about it is testament to the fact that financial regulators are trying to stop these market practices/rigging/collusion

With the new regulations and measures being implemented no one can predict what loopholes we'll find in 10 years - but we are much more unlikely to repeat the same mistakes that triggered the '08 crash

Godge

20Cent wrote: »

Did you read the op? Looks active to me. Thread is about the occupy movement in the US and in general. Your straw poll of colleagues isn't really relevant.

There were four or five threads about Occupy on the go here when they started. Now, apart from this dying thread, there is nothing.

Occupy made the news every day while they had their five minutes of fame but who knows and who cares now, that is what my straw poll of colleagues shows.

20Cent

Godge wrote: »

There were four or five threads about Occupy on the go here when they started. Now, apart from this dying thread, there is nothing.

Occupy made the news every day while they had their five minutes of fame but who knows and who cares now, that is what my straw poll of colleagues shows.

Not talking about threads on boards ffs.
The groups are still active it made all the newspapers with the debt buy just a few weeks ago. Saying its not still active is patently untrue.

Godge

20Cent wrote: »

The groups are still active it made all the newspapers with the debt buy just a few weeks ago. Saying its not still active is patently untrue.

Read my post again.

Godge wrote: »

Occupy made the news every day while they had their five minutes of fame but who knows and who cares now, that is what my straw poll of colleagues shows.

Two articles, one of which is reuters, does not make the group still active.

The are volcanoes dormant for hundreds of years who get more publicity.