Season 4, Episode 6 - Live Bait [AMC] [Spoilers]

Cork boy 55

Season 4, Episode 6 -
Live Bait [AMC] [Spoilers]

Airtime
November 17, 2013 USA AMC



Tagline
"Group members struggle to find their humanity while being constantly threatened."




The Walking Dead 4x06 Promo "Live Bait" (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BCOGcRx_g

The Walking Dead 4x06 Sneak Peek "Live Bait" (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KahNcLAWU1M

Cork boy 55

New cast, maybe?

There are 2 recurring roles currently being cast: a single mother and former nurse named Laura and a tough and funny woman named Melody. The guest star role of Don is also being cast; he's 50-70 years old, is kind but sometimes grumpy, and has a granddaughter.

Taken from: SpoilerTV http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/06/the-walking-dead-episode-406-title-and.html#ixzz2keQnEt2j

Grimebox

Your supposed to feel sympathy for The Governor in case you didn't catch that

Hank Scorpio

anyone else think the nurse bears a striking resemblance to Maggie?

expectationlost

that was a great ep

Kirby

When she said her name was Lilly, was I the only one who thought we were about to see a Telltale games / tv show crossover? :P

thegreengoblin

Cracking episode....am we allowed to mention/discuss the

Rise of the Governor novel

here? :cool:

Lone Stone

Well that was surprisingly good, last week i was a bit like ow for fep sake him again. Was a great episode though. Only thing that annoyed me was the way your woman fell over and hurt her ankle.

smcgiff

thegreengoblin wrote: »

we allowed to mention/discuss the

Rise of the Governor novel

here? :cool:

Re Rise of the Governer Novel

It's been a while since I read that Novel, but it comes at the start of the book if I recall. And it's out of sync with the TV series

Very enjoyable ep.

It also flew, couldn't believe it when the ending came.

Hande hoche!

Very good indeed, next weeks will be promising. Also the Governor seems to have the most success with the ladies in the series.

Brozy

Have it downloaded and ready to go, sister won't let me watch it without her so have to watch a few hours. Sounds like it should be a good episode!

DeepBlue

smcgiff wrote: »

Re Rise of the Governer Novel

It's been a while since I read that Novel, but it comes at the start of the book if I recall. And it's out of sync with the TV series

Yeah,

Penny wasn't really his daughter in the novel but in the TV series she was shwn by the photo of him with his wife and daughter.

Was waiting the whole episode for the Governor to fcuk them over somehow especially given the episode title. Was surprised when he didn't.

Also, first episode with no Rick?

smcgiff

DeepBlue wrote: »

Penny wasn't really his daughter in the novel but in the TV series she was shwn by the photo of him with his wife and daughter.

I'm compartmentalising them into at least two different universes - TV series and the comics. Not sure which the novels follow or are a third universe. I've only read The Rise of the Governor, but it's hard to see how he turned into the psycho at Woodbury from the character that finished in book 1

LandoCalrissian

Have to say very happy with that episode

however the trip/fall was absolutely ridiculous I've seen better acting in nativity plays

Also looking forward to next weeks episode having seen the trailer

Lone Stone

LandoCalrissian wrote: »

Have to say very happy with that episode

however the trip/fall was absolutely ridiculous I've seen better acting in nativity plays

Also looking forward to next weeks episode having seen the trailer

"CAW CAW" twirl, faceplant amagawd zombies

Grimebox

Probably the best episode of the series so far for me. I'm completely fed up with the rest of the cast at this stage. I'd follow an entire series based on this guy going around on his own.

thegreengoblin

smcgiff wrote: »

I'm compartmentalising them into at least two different universes - TV series and the comics. Not sure which the novels follow or are a third universe. I've only read The Rise of the Governor, but it's hard to see how he turned into the psycho at Woodbury from the character that finished in book 1

That's probably the best way to view it. I actually like the way they bring stuff in from the books and comics to the TV series but give it a fresh twist. It keeps it interesting for fans of all formats.

gavmcg92

Nice contrast this week. Slightly relived to not be in the prison this week. Feel like an escapee as the viewer, being able to watch something different. Great episode. Some brutal killings in the hole from the governor.

Happy I watched the clip from next week at the end of the episode. Could have sworn

those two girls were shot and killed by the governor's right hand men

.

thegreengoblin

gavmcg92 wrote: »

Nice contrast this week. Slightly relived to not be in the prison this week. Feel like an escapee as the viewer, being able to watch something different. Great episode. Some brutal killings in the hole from the governor.

Happy I watched the clip from next week at the end of the episode. Could have sworn

those two girls were shot and killed by the governor's right hand men

.

That scene was fantastic, those killings were pure primal stuff. Brilliant scene also when the old man turned in the bedroom.

LOSTfan57

DeepBlue wrote: »

Yeah,

Penny wasn't really his daughter in the novel but in the TV series she was shwn by the photo of him with his wife and daughter.

Was waiting the whole episode for the Governor to fcuk them over somehow especially given the episode title. Was surprised when he didn't.

Also, first episode with no Rick?

2nd after "Walk With Me"

PhiloCypher

Grimebox wrote: »

Probably the best episode of the series so far for me. I'm completely fed up with the rest of the cast at this stage. I'd follow an entire series based on this guy going around on his own.

It was another great ep alright but not the best this season let alone the series as a whole for me . I really hope they know what they are doing with the Governor and that this two episode break(based on next weeks preview) from the prison narrative doesn't see the fallout of Ricks Exile of Carol completely bypassed as I was really looking foward to that.

pixelburp

One thing I've noticed a lot of in season 4, and this episode was no exception, is silence. Many scenes go by with very little in the way of dialogue, if any. Often all you can hear is ambient noise and the near-constant hiss of the walkers. It feels like TV series confident it can show rather than tell, using looks, gestures and the camera to tell the story. That's a stark contrast to the depths that season 2 sank with its incessant bickering and telegraphing of emotions. What dialogue there is can still be pretty ropey, but it's to the writers credit that they're using their actors and the stage more effectively.

A pretty strong episode anyway, even if I can't quite get behind the idea of trying to make us sympathise with The Governor, or offer him a chance at redemption; given all the things he has done it seems a little strange he'd be given this chance. As soon as he befriended the little girl it was clear how things were going to pan out.

The ankle-twist was hilarious bad though, and I don't quite follow why the Gov figured running into the wood was a good tactic; less visibility, sure footing and ability to get ones bearings. Sensible!

wonderfullife

very good episode, yet it did feel very disjointed and out-of-sync with the season to date.

All this virus/illness stuff still hasn't reached any sort of conclusion, they devote 5 episodes to it then they give us this. And seemingly next week will be more of the same, thus returning to the Prison stuff for mid-season finale.

For one thing, viewers were already beginning to lose interest with the virus storyline so i don't see how this interlude/mini-arc with the Gov is going to change that.

Ultimately, as a stand-alone episode it was excellent but i'd question the timing of it myself.

Grimebox

PhiloCypher wrote: »

It was another great ep alright but not the best this season let alone the series as a whole for me . I really hope they know what they are doing with the Governor and that this two episode break(based on next weeks preview) from the prison narrative doesn't see the fallout of Ricks Exile of Carol completely bypassed as I was really looking foward to that.

I think the entire prison narrative is rudderless

PhiloCypher

Grimebox wrote: »

I think the entire prison narrative is rudderless

I don't think that's a negative so long as the episodes are good and for me they have been. I'm sure now that the virus storyline has run its course the main arc of the season will begin to take shape.

Based on the previews might they be adapting comic book Spoiler

the cannibals arc from the comics

Come what may tho I'm pretty sure the Mega herd will come back into things by seasons end otherwise why bother showing it at all.

gavmcg92

pixelburp wrote: »

One thing I've noticed a lot of in season 4, and this episode was no exception, is silence. Many scenes go by with very little in the way of dialogue, if any. Often all you can hear is ambient noise and the near-constant hiss of the walkers. It feels like TV series confident it can show rather than tell, using looks, gestures and the camera to tell the story.

Just like the nursing home scene. Absolutely perfect, almost in a horror movie sort of style. Very little dialogue with the emphasis on the music and ambient noise to create that tension.

MagicMarker

The very definition of a filler episode. I skipped through the whole thing in about 10 minutes and don't think I missed out on anything.

PhiloCypher

While I really enjoyed the episode I'm with Wonderfullife in questioning it's episode placement just when things were going to get very interesting between Rick and Daryl. It just seems such an odd place to jump narrative tracks.

I'm also pretty surprised at how universally well liked the episode has been on here considering previous episodes with a similar ratio of character work to zombie violence have pretty much been called snorefests where nothing much happens by some on here. . I guess it comes down to how engaged you are by the actor in questions performance.

Nervous Wreck

PhiloCypher wrote: »

While I really enjoyed the episode I'm with Wonderfullife in questioning it's episode placement just when things were going to get very interesting between Rick and Daryl. It just seems such an odd place to jump narrative tracks.

I'm also pretty surprised at how universally well liked the episode has been on here considering previous episodes with a similar ratio of character work to zombie violence have pretty much been called snorefests where nothing much happens. I guess it comes down to how engaged you are by the actor in questions performance.

I'm not so sure. I think the break from the prison (and the group) arc is the main draw for this episode. Like, I don't particularly see the huge appeal in the dude who plays the Guv. He's a pretty good actor yeah, but he's hugely overrated by fans of the show. Andrew Lincoln is easily the better actor and more likeable character. But we've been through the same three storylines with Rick so often and in the same way that even seeing a different actor do the same kinda thing is refreshing.

A Neurotic

MagicMarker wrote: »

The very definition of a filler episode. I skipped through the whole thing in about 10 minutes and don't think I missed out on anything.

But you did catch the scene where

the Governor finds the cure for the zombie virus

, right?

Zero-Cool

Brilliant episode, beaming when he met tara and april. The Rise of the Governor is one of the best books I have read in ages. Highly recommend it.

username123

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I think the break from the prison (and the group) arc is the main draw for this episode. Like, I don't particularly see the huge appeal in the dude who plays the Guv. He's a pretty good actor yeah, but he's hugely overrated by fans of the show. Andrew Lincoln is easily the better actor and more likeable character. But we've been through the same three storylines with Rick so often and in the same way that even seeing a different actor do the same kinda thing is refreshing.

For me it's not so much the guy who plays the Guv, it's the Guv himself that's the draw, a far more complex character than Rick or anyone else left at this stage.

I like the Guv for the same reasons I liked Shane, he is capable of great good and terrible bad. The Guv would never have been able or been bothered with, getting Woodbury together if he didn't have some good in him.

I liked Merle for his complexity too. Whereas Rick, while likeable, is just a decent tortured bloke. You never know if the Guv is gonna gut everyone he was just pretending to be nice to, and that makes better tv a lot of the time.

Also, I like episodes that give snapshots of horror, like the nursing home scenes. And it's always good to see how other people survived the apocalypse.

Overall, a top class episode for me.

Flippyfloppy

So, how did he and his cronie that he met again at the end lose touch initially?

Burlap_Sack

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

So, how did he and his cronie that he met again at the end lose touch initially?

Cronie just ditched him at the start of the episode when the song kicked in.

Flippyfloppy

Burlap_Sack wrote: »

Cronie just ditched him at the start of the episode when the song kicked in.

Oh. Thought cronie just shot female walker but didn't realize he left

Burlap_Sack

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh. Thought cronie just shot female walker but didn't realize he left

Actually had to rewatch the start again myself to check it out. He shoots the zombie, then looks at the governor and shakes his head as if to say whats up with you. Next scene is the gov waking up and leaving his tent to find he's been abandoned.

Lone Stone

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh. Thought cronie just shot female walker but didn't realize he left

yea he did a kinda screw this im outta here look.

Scraggs

Not copping you need to shoot/stab walkers in the head and surviving 18 months(ish) really bothered me. Also only a minor thing but the so called nurse blowing on an open wound really grated! I'm surprised they left the where they were holed up it seemed ok and relatively safe although it wouldnt have made an interesting story I guess.

Flippyfloppy

Burlap_Sack wrote: »

Actually had to rewatch the start again myself to check it out. He shoots the zombie, then looks at the governor and shakes his head as if to say whats up with you. Next scene is the gov waking up and leaving his tent to find he's been abandoned.

Thanks. Been so long since I saw the governor & his men i was a bit confused at the beginning !!

Flippyfloppy

Scraggs wrote: »

Not copping you need to shoot/stab walkers in the head and surviving 18 months(ish) really bothered me. Also only a minor thing but the so called nurse blowing on an open wound really grated! I'm surprised they left the where they were holed up it seemed ok and relatively safe although it wouldnt have made an interesting story I guess.

The block of apartments did seem unusually safe....they can cross over the corridor to each other's apartments leaving the door open, no major barricades outside, also, to survive so long you'd think they'd know to keep quiet. Not like out in the open they made far too much noise with their gossiping.

Jason Todd

Just watched it, enjoyed it a lot. Loved the nursing home scene, and the scene at the end in the trench. Personally I'm a fan of David Morrissey, he avoids going down the hammy, mental route, but he's constantly disguising his emotions, so you never know when the psychopath will come out. I really thought the family would be dead by his hand by the end of the episode.

Next Week Preview

I hope next weeks episode is at least as good, because it seems strange they'd take a two episode break completely from the Prison.

expectationlost

why did the governer drive back in the direction he came from?

Grimebox

MagicMarker wrote: »

The very definition of a filler episode. I skipped through the whole thing in about 10 minutes and don't think I missed out on anything.

I might slate this show but your opinion holds no water if you didn't even watch it

Gbear

Some great stuff there.
The scene in the pit was top class.

About 4 brand new ways to kill walkers right there.

Interesting direction - him not just being a plain old baddie.

wonderfullife

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I think the break from the prison (and the group) arc is the main draw for this episode. Like, I don't particularly see the huge appeal in the dude who plays the Guv. He's a pretty good actor yeah, but he's hugely overrated by fans of the show. Andrew Lincoln is easily the better actor and more likeable character. But we've been through the same three storylines with Rick so often and in the same way that even seeing a different actor do the same kinda thing is refreshing.

As a big fan of This Life in my teens in the 1990s, i've always liked Andrew Lincoln on screen. Whether it was his cheeky chappy character in that or in Teachers etc he's immensely likeable (and talented).

To say he's a better actor than David Morrissey though - i could never agree with that. Morrissey is a RADA trained actor who excelled in Shakespearian productions, turned in simply stunning performances in the likes of State of Play, Some Voices etc on film and is widely regarded as one of the best English actors of the past 20 years.

In fact, i'd go as far as to say this is a breakthrough role for Lincoln in many ways. It's probably the most challenging, diverse character he's been faced with. Ricks path from lost to found, leader to follower, sane to borderline insane, all the while trying to hold everything together for his family - it's a meaty role. And he's doing fantastically well.

Conversely, i feel the role of the Governor (as portrayed on screen) has been slightly botched to a degree. Morrissey has such a presence on screen and this episode is a reminder how interesting the Governor is/was/can be. I feel too much time was wasted on the Andrea-Guv thing that could have been better spent exploring this guys story. In the end it was frustrating watching Andrea flip-flop every 5 mins on the Guv, and in hindsight did nothing for the likeability of her character.

Part of the reason why this episode worked (as a stand-alone episode) is that it was the first episode where none of the main cast made an appearance.

To me what this episode felt like was when you're sitting in a G.P.'s waiting room and there's 6 people ahead of you in the queue and when the 6th person goes in, you get a brief sense of relief - "phew, well at least i'm next". And very much like a doctors, that brief sense of relief will almost wholly depend on what the doc actually says.

In short, if the mid-season Finale is not EPIC then this mini-arc with the Gov will render the entire half-season unfulfilling. They've left us dangling now with the prison - Rick v Daryl, the antibiotics, the illness, the Gov being outside the Prison......so for this to work the pay-off has to be excellent.

I appreciate the writers are taking a risk here. Cutting away from 5 episodes worth of storyline to abruptly present a flashback sequence of the Governor is a risk. It risks diluting the effect of what is happening at the prison. When you bring food to the boil and turn the gas off and come back 2 hours later , it's always a risk it won't taste as good re-heated in the microwave. And that's the risk they're taking here - will those scenes have the same impact now we've been taken away from the boil? I hope so. If they don't then the writers deserve the criticism that will come their way.

iamstop

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Come what may tho I'm pretty sure the Mega herd will come back into things by seasons end otherwise why bother showing it at all.

The Dead fest? lol It did look like the morning after a festival though.

sparkthatbled

I was quite pleased with this episode. I'm glad they have turned the show around and long may it continue in this fashion. The timing for the episode might have been a little off for some people but i thought it was a good move to get out of the prison and see what the guv has been up to. When he was giving his chess lesson to the little girl i just kept thinking that they should have had Bob giving chess lessons, such as...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0mxz2-AQ64

maximoose

Found this weeks ep incredibly boring, although I've never really been a fan of governor centered episodes. I'm sure he's a great actor as you said wonderfullife, I just don't find him particularly convincing or menacing as the Governor. Perhaps it was due to the frantic pace of the previous episode, I just felt this episode really stopped the momentum of the season.

In the preview of next weeks ep, pretty sure the guy standing beside Martinez is Kirk Acevedo? Another great addition to the cast

GavRedKing

I enjoyed it anyway, it was a change of pace and is setting up towards a good mid season finale.

The old folks home was well done.

5starpool

I've read the comics but hadn't known of the Rise of the Governer books. I've just acquired them though via my phone. Isn't technology great.

Liamalone

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode but not too fond of where it has slotted in as others have mentioned.

Enjoyed the Guv telling the family about where he came from and that the leader there "lost it"