Ad for JobBridge water meter "job" gets taken down

IvaBigWun

Not surprising that they didnt leave this up for long

Created on: 31/10/2013 | Updated on: 05/11/2013 | Displayed until 30/12/2013 54 days from now

Based in DONEGAL COUNTY Ref. INTE-805125 Description The intern will gain practical experience in water meter installation The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following - Health and Safety course, Blue Card Training course, Boundary Box course (meter fixing), Water Authority Hygiene course, Manual Equipment Handling course and Abrasive Wheel course. On completion the intern will have attained skills in installation of water meters, water pipe laying, use of manual tools e.g. jack hammer, abrasive wheels, etc., and use of computerised mapping equipment. The intern will also have gained insight in the areas of signing, lighting and guarding of work areas and locating of under ground services.

Skills Requirements The suitable candidate will be hardworking, motivated, dedicated, committed, computer literate and keen to learn new skills and gain experience within the company.

Please Note: This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Department Water Meter Installation and Servicing

Mentor The Organisation will assign a mentor to support you during the Internship.

Duration 9 Months

Number of Positions 1

Contract Type Other

Days, Hours & Start Date Days per week: To be Advised Hours per day: Not specified Hours per week: 39 Start Date: TBC

Experience Required: No Experience Required Education Requirements: Other - Primary education with good reading ability.

Here's where the hiring is done: http://www.water.ie/about-us/jobs/metering-jobs/

And here is the available positions for water meter installing in Dublin (so 1/4 of the entire country): http://www.farrans.com/careers/current-vacancies/

It appears that they've outsourced the job, and the companies in charge of it now realised they can get free labour.

hansfrei

This is old news. Joan Bruton is subsidising Denis OBrien with a large hand out. Anywhere between €4,000 and €10,00 per worker. He already got €100m from Enda.

IvaBigWun

hansfrei wrote: »

This is old news

I saw it on Reddit earlier and I thought they were supposed to be the website for new news.

miss tickle

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Not surprising that they didnt leave this up for long









Here's where the hiring is done: http://www.water.ie/about-us/jobs/metering-jobs/

And here is the available positions for water meter installing in Dublin (so 1/4 of the entire country): http://www.farrans.com/careers/current-vacancies/

It appears that they've outsourced the job, and the companies in charge of it now realised they can get free labour.

And sadly, here is where they promised 1600 jobs would be created,

http://www.bordgais.ie/corporate/cat_press_release_detail.jsp?itemID=587&n=0&p=0

whupdedo

****in jobbridge ****e, can't get the dole coz I'm self employed, looking to get a weekly paying job doing anything, but you need to be on the dole to qualify for the jobbridge so I'm stuck in a catch 22 situation, not be able to get dole but need dole to get into jobbridge jobs, way to go Joan getting the dole queues down

hansfrei

IvaBigWun wrote: »

I saw it on Reddit earlier and I thought they were supposed to be the website for new news.

Dunno about reddit. Burton announced mass subsidies for siteserve (an bord gais, water) ages back. The lad who'll be putting your meter in will be a yellow packer trying his best to displace jobs in the economy.

dharma200

whupdedo wrote: »

****in jobbridge ****e, can't get the dole coz I'm self employed, looking to get a weekly paying job doing anything, but you need to be on the dole to qualify for the jobbridge so I'm stuck in a catch 22 situation, not be able to get dole but need dole to get into jobbridge jobs, way to go Joan getting the dole queues down

By even considering getting a job bridge job you are essentially shooting yourself and everyone else in the country who is unemployed in the foot.

Soft Falling Rain

Hmmm, doing a job for free that will no doubt bring a hefty amount of abuse with it, sign me up!

whupdedo

Don't necessarily want a job bridge job, just emphasising the point that you need to be on social welfare to qualify, no initiative in place to help those who don't qualify

dharma200

So you want to qualify to do a job, essentially that the employer who employes you doesn't pay you, but those who pay tax in the test of country pay you, allowing employers to not bother paying anyone?

dharma200

That has nothing to do with social welfare. It is a crime against everyone in the whole country

IvaBigWun

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

WilyCoyote

IvaBigWun wrote: »

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

According to Monica Lewinsky internship has it's ups and downs

brokenarms

On the fence a bit on this..

There are pros and cons.

Its seems that an employer is trying to be greedy

But on the other hand, after 9 months an otherwise unemployable person has now become very employable with good prospects.




It will be a somewhat skilled position . Although I would not let a water meter man plumb my home .


One would be better off doing a proper apprenticeship I think.

IvaBigWun wrote: »

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

Is there not proof that most people who do the jobsbridge program get a job after its ran its course?
As long as it works it wont be going anywhere. Yet it is taking complete advantage of the economic situation.

steel_spine

All the graduate jobs in my area have now turned into jobsbridge internships. I was lucky enough after college to land a job in a café after only being a few weeks unemployed. Great, I'm happy to work and put food on the table, but I'm now in a situation where in order to get any work experience or a job in the area I'm qualified in, I would have to get myself fired/laid off, deliberately avoid finding work for three months, and then wait for an internship to come along, because that's where they've all gone.
As it is, I'm taking up space in a job somebody would probably really like, while I can't get work in the area I'm qualified in because the major necessity in the field apart from a degree now is 'wait until you're unemployed for long enough to work for us for free'.
Thanks, jobsbridge. Now I don't even qualify for unsalaried internships that require a third level education.

ted1

I work/ specialise in metering. This would be good experience for a unemployed person. Private companies generally pay 750 a day for people to fit meters.

A person doing this should ensure they learn how to correctly fit meters for different size pipes.

bigblackmug

ted1 wrote: »

I work/ specialise in metering. This would be good experience for a unemployed person. Private companies generally pay 750 a day for people to fit meters.

A person doing this should ensure they learn how to correctly fit meters for different size pipes.

Expecting the post in 12 months time from Ted1 saying " I used to work/specialise in metering..."

Bog Standard User

jobs.ie sent me a survey about internships.

i did do that jobsbridge and i filled in the survey, when asked would i recommend internships to any of my friends i replied no.

kowloon

WilyCoyote wrote: »

According to Monica Lewinsky internship has it's ups and downs

Good, but no cigar.

brokenarms

bigblackmug wrote: »

Expecting the post in 12 months time from Ted1 saying " I used to work/specialise in metering..."

Hopefully he wont.

I believe there is a lot more to it than simply connecting a few pipe. I guessing there will also be loads of ground work to be done with driveways and problems frost proofing. And so on....

BillyMitchel

Dell advertised JobBridge during the week.

Speachless.

Every tax break they could possibly want and then they go try hire a slave. Fock you Dell.

FearDark

I can't even get a job in the local Spar because it's a ****in job-bridge.

A company in my town told everyone they're taking 10% paycuts and those who refuse will be let go and "replaced". The abuse of Job Bridge is unbelievable. It's amazing too that European companies will still come to Ireland to hire graduates for their mainland operations yet companies with a base here claim they can't afford it.

Rabelais

The social democrat in me realises that the JobBridge scheme is an inherently positive initiative. I hate to see cynical employers take advantage of it though. A general upturn in the economy should rid us of this.

B.A._Baracus

On paper, JobsBridge is a good thing. With so many college leavers as well as people changing careers... giving them an opportunity to gain experience in a certain field sounds like a great idea. Like there are hardly any jobs being creating but the idea to give people experience is seemingly moving forward.... On paper anyways

Problem was... to quote Blackadder in response to the efforts to stop WW1 "it was all bollocks" :pac:
This scheme has been abused and personally, while I am not genius on the matter, it sounds like manipulating the live-register figures for our german bank-managers.

Augmerson

Rabelais wrote: »

The social democrat in me realises that the JobBridge scheme is an inherently positive initiative. I hate to see cynical employers take advantage of it though. A general upturn in the economy should rid us of this.

Yeah any moment now...

the_barfly1

jobbridge is bollocks. My missus' hours in work have been cut to the bare minimum because her bosses just took on three interns and are giving them all the full time work now. Its ****ing criminal.

jjbrien

Didnt the government recently announce that a jobbridge placement will now be extended to 18 months? Its shameless if you ask me. Even the Minimum Wage Act allows for trainees which is what employers and the government should be doing not 50 euro extra a week on jobbridge.

Trainees
The National Minimum Wage Act also provides sub-minimum rates which apply to employees who are over 18 and undergoing a course of structured training or directed study that is authorised or approved of by the employer.

Since 1 July 2011 the trainee rates provided by the Act are as follows, see also 'Rates' below:

First one-third of training course €6.49 per hour (75% of national minimum wage rate)
Second one-third of training course €6.92 per hour (80% of national minimum wage rate)
Final one third of the training course €7.79 per hour (90% of national minimum wage rate)
Note: each one third period must be at least one month and no more than one year.

The Act provides certain criteria which the training course must meet if the trainee rates are to apply. For example, the training or study must be for the purposes of improving the work performance of the employee; the employee's participation on the training or study must be directed or approved by the employer; at least 10% of the training must occur away from the employee’s ordinary operational duties; there must be an assessment and certification procedure or written confirmation on the completion of the training course.

At least with this the person has a real job and they pay gets upped every few months till they are at the full wage.

Soft Falling Rain

the_barfly1 wrote: »

jobbridge is bollocks. My missus' hours in work have been cut to the bare minimum because her bosses just took on three interns and are giving them all the full time work now. Its ****ing criminal.

Surely there's some kind of condition in place that forbids this?

At the very least, I know that when I was doing my internship, if I was directly hurting the hours of paid staff I'd be isolated and hounded out of the place.

fishy fishy

brokenarms wrote: »

On the fence a bit on this..

There are pros and cons.

Its seems that an employer is trying to be greedy

But on the other hand, after 9 months an otherwise unemployable person has now become very employable with good prospects.




It will be a somewhat skilled position . Although I would not let a water meter man plumb my home .


One would be better off doing a proper apprenticeship I think.



Is there not proof that most people who do the jobsbridge program get a job after its ran its course?
As long as it works it wont be going anywhere. Yet it is taking complete advantage of the economic situation.

how do you know the person is unemployable. The person may have been working for the last twenty years and is highly employable.

cop out again by our lovely govt.

Dravokivich

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Dell advertised JobBridge during the week.

Speachless.

Every tax break they could possibly want and then they go try hire a slave. Fock you Dell.

What was the position for?

Boombastic

Dravokivich wrote: »

What was the position for?

senior executive ceo, only 45 years of experience needed and educated to doctorate level

BillyMitchel

Dravokivich wrote: »

What was the position for?

Customer Service/Sales I think.

Average 20/25k jobs.

Edit: but obviously they weren't paying ANYTHING!

Disgraceful

Dravokivich

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Customer Service/Sales I think.

Average 20/25k jobs.

Edit: but obviously they weren't paying ANYTHING!

Disgraceful

That is nuts. It'd take no more than 6 weeks for the average person to be competent in such a position.

constance tench

At least they are honest...they do call it a scheme:rolleyes:

sunflower27

I did a jobridge internship back in 2011 when the scheme was new.

It was meant to be marketing but I was doing all the ****ty work no-one else would do. I stuck with it because I thought it would be good on my CV, but looking back that was the wrong thing to do. I lost so much respect for myself accepting what I did.

Within a month or two of finishing, the group that hired me were advertising again for the same role under a different business name.

It took THREE emails to Jobbridge to get them to take the job down. THREE. And only then when I threatened to go to the media about it.

Jobbridge will take any job that is offered to them. There is no vetting. As long as they get people off the live register, that is all they care about.

Walked past my local FAS office yesterday and saw the window plastered with Jobridge vacancies. It is an absolute disgrace the greed of some people.

Why doesn't the press pick up on this and do a big expose. It would make a fantastic documentary!!

TwoShedsJackson

Deleted User wrote: »

A company in my town told everyone they're taking 10% paycuts and those who refuse will be let go and "replaced". The abuse of Job Bridge is unbelievable. It's amazing too that European companies will still come to Ireland to hire graduates for their mainland operations yet companies with a base here claim they can't afford it.

It's illegal to be made redudant and 'replaced' within six months if the job still exists. If this happens, get them on to NERA about it.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Jesus didn't realise how much of a farce this jobsbridge **** is. I presume its only being allowed to continue because it benefits politicians in some way.

strobe

Where are the unions? Why aren't they calling for a general strike and boycotting of jobsbridge? The ****ing cheek of them parading up and down the streets patting themselves on the backs, teary eyed about 1913. Spineless weasels. Larkin would be rolling in his ****ing grave if they hadn't encased him in carbonite and stood him on o connel St.

Hello_MrFox

Is there someone who polices the Jobs bridge initiative, ie, assessing whether a job is suitable to be placed on the scheme or if it should be a fully paid position? I wonder what the criteria is for these jobs.

Boombastic

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

It's illegal to be made redudant and 'replaced' within six months if the job still exists. If this happens, get them on to NERA about it.

they get round this by changing the name of the role

aidan24326

In fairness JobBridge wasn't the worst idea as it first started out. For a young graduate struggling to find work it made some sense in terms of gaining experience. A company that didn't necessarily have the budget and/or requirement for a full time salaried role could take you in, give you some much-needed training and experience and even if they didn't keep you on themselves you've added something very useful to your cv. That was the idea at least.

The problem is that it far outgrew its initial purpose and you had every employer jumping on the bandwagon looking for free labour, so that you could gain experience in the highly sought-after skills of opening boxes and stacking shelves. Maybe learn how to make a quarter pounder with cheese.

The government have done nothing to intervene in this fiasco as it is helping to artificially massage the unemployment figures and allows them to bleat about job creation when in reality they've made little or no impact on the unemployment situation since they took office.

sunflower27

The government should be hanging their heads in shame for what this scheme is doing to people looking for a fair day's pay.

Augmerson

sunflower27 wrote: »

The government should be hanging their heads in shame for what this scheme is doing to people looking for a fair day's pay.

They literally no shame Sunflower27. They will do whatever it takes to look good in the eyes of the IMF/EU.

TwoShedsJackson

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

It's illegal to be made redudant and 'replaced' within six months if the job still exists. If this happens, get them on to NERA about it.

As above, they can change job titles. Also they've been shuffling people around branches and the like for a year now, gotten rid of the senior management figures and the like, they can create new "roles" for the interns. Actually I wonder if interns count as taking up a "position".

TwoShedsJackson

Deleted User wrote: »

As above, they can change job titles. Also they've been shuffling people around branches and the like for a year now, gotten rid of the senior management figures and the like, they can create new "roles" for the interns. Actually I wonder if interns count as taking up a "position".

They can, and if you can prove that the new job is fundamentally the same as the one you were let go from, you've a case for unfair dismissal.

anncoates

Ireland:

Get angry at your taxes subsidizing social welfare.

Don't get angry at your taxes subsidizing the wages of profitable companies.

Stabshauptmann

Been discussed to death.

There are some real jobs on jobsbridge, and some pointless ones that will give you no new skills and no hope of employment with that company.

Simply dont do the **** ones. Jobbridge is completely optional. Simples.

Many ppl I know have jobs now because of the experience they got on jobsbridge

Soft Falling Rain

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Many ppl I know have jobs now because of the experience they got on jobsbridge

How many of them were fortunate enough to be taken on by their host company? In the grand scheme of things, if you're cut loose after 9 months, the experience you've acquired won't mean much in such a competitive market.

Canard

anncoates wrote: »

Ireland:

Get angry at your taxes subsidizing social welfare.

Don't get angry at your taxes subsidizing the wages of profitable companies.

What? This whole thread is about people angry about JobsBridge.

Detective Mittens

Now that the precedent of internships have been set, its not going away, recession or no recession. People aren't getting paid for work any more, they are paid with work. Asking for a wage on top of the job you have been given would of course be considered selfish.

These companies aren't charities, if they cant stay afloat without paying their workers they should fail.