Ad for JobBridge water meter "job" gets taken down

IvaBigWun · 05-11-2013 08:25PM #1

Not surprising that they didnt leave this up for long

Created on: 31/10/2013 | Updated on: 05/11/2013 | Displayed until 30/12/2013 54 days from now

Based in DONEGAL COUNTY Ref. INTE-805125 Description The intern will gain practical experience in water meter installation The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following - Health and Safety course, Blue Card Training course, Boundary Box course (meter fixing), Water Authority Hygiene course, Manual Equipment Handling course and Abrasive Wheel course. On completion the intern will have attained skills in installation of water meters, water pipe laying, use of manual tools e.g. jack hammer, abrasive wheels, etc., and use of computerised mapping equipment. The intern will also have gained insight in the areas of signing, lighting and guarding of work areas and locating of under ground services.

Skills Requirements The suitable candidate will be hardworking, motivated, dedicated, committed, computer literate and keen to learn new skills and gain experience within the company.

Please Note: This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Department Water Meter Installation and Servicing

Mentor The Organisation will assign a mentor to support you during the Internship.

Duration 9 Months

Number of Positions 1

Contract Type Other

Days, Hours & Start Date Days per week: To be Advised Hours per day: Not specified Hours per week: 39 Start Date: TBC

Experience Required: No Experience Required Education Requirements: Other - Primary education with good reading ability.

Here's where the hiring is done: http://www.water.ie/about-us/jobs/metering-jobs/

And here is the available positions for water meter installing in Dublin (so 1/4 of the entire country): http://www.farrans.com/careers/current-vacancies/

It appears that they've outsourced the job, and the companies in charge of it now realised they can get free labour.

hansfrei · 05-11-2013 08:35PM

This is old news. Joan Bruton is subsidising Denis OBrien with a large hand out. Anywhere between €4,000 and €10,00 per worker. He already got €100m from Enda.

IvaBigWun · 05-11-2013 09:16PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This is old news

I saw it on Reddit earlier and I thought they were supposed to be the website for new news.

miss tickle · 05-11-2013 09:19PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Not surprising that they didnt leave this up for long

Here's where the hiring is done: http://www.water.ie/about-us/jobs/metering-jobs/

And here is the available positions for water meter installing in Dublin (so 1/4 of the entire country): http://www.farrans.com/careers/current-vacancies/

It appears that they've outsourced the job, and the companies in charge of it now realised they can get free labour.

And sadly, here is where they promised 1600 jobs would be created,

http://www.bordgais.ie/corporate/cat_press_release_detail.jsp?itemID=587&n=0&p=0

whupdedo · 05-11-2013 09:22PM

****in jobbridge ****e, can't get the dole coz I'm self employed, looking to get a weekly paying job doing anything, but you need to be on the dole to qualify for the jobbridge so I'm stuck in a catch 22 situation, not be able to get dole but need dole to get into jobbridge jobs, way to go Joan getting the dole queues down

hansfrei · 05-11-2013 09:24PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

I saw it on Reddit earlier and I thought they were supposed to be the website for new news.

Dunno about reddit. Burton announced mass subsidies for siteserve (an bord gais, water) ages back. The lad who'll be putting your meter in will be a yellow packer trying his best to displace jobs in the economy.

dharma200 · 05-11-2013 09:24PM

whupdedo wrote: »

****in jobbridge ****e, can't get the dole coz I'm self employed, looking to get a weekly paying job doing anything, but you need to be on the dole to qualify for the jobbridge so I'm stuck in a catch 22 situation, not be able to get dole but need dole to get into jobbridge jobs, way to go Joan getting the dole queues down

By even considering getting a job bridge job you are essentially shooting yourself and everyone else in the country who is unemployed in the foot.

Soft Falling Rain · 05-11-2013 09:27PM

Hmmm, doing a job for free that will no doubt bring a hefty amount of abuse with it, sign me up!

whupdedo · 05-11-2013 09:29PM

Don't necessarily want a job bridge job, just emphasising the point that you need to be on social welfare to qualify, no initiative in place to help those who don't qualify

dharma200 · 05-11-2013 09:30PM

So you want to qualify to do a job, essentially that the employer who employes you doesn't pay you, but those who pay tax in the test of country pay you, allowing employers to not bother paying anyone?

dharma200 · 05-11-2013 09:31PM

That has nothing to do with social welfare. It is a crime against everyone in the whole country

IvaBigWun · 06-11-2013 02:05PM

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

WilyCoyote · 06-11-2013 03:06PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

According to Monica Lewinsky internship has it's ups and downs

brokenarms · 06-11-2013 03:36PM

On the fence a bit on this..

There are pros and cons.

Its seems that an employer is trying to be greedy

But on the other hand, after 9 months an otherwise unemployable person has now become very employable with good prospects.

It will be a somewhat skilled position . Although I would not let a water meter man plumb my home .

One would be better off doing a proper apprenticeship I think.

IvaBigWun wrote: »

How long is this JobBridge nonsense set to last? i.e.; Has a time limit of a few years been placed on it?

Is there a comparable scheme in any other country?

Is there not proof that most people who do the jobsbridge program get a job after its ran its course?
As long as it works it wont be going anywhere. Yet it is taking complete advantage of the economic situation.

steel_spine · 07-11-2013 10:28PM

All the graduate jobs in my area have now turned into jobsbridge internships. I was lucky enough after college to land a job in a café after only being a few weeks unemployed. Great, I'm happy to work and put food on the table, but I'm now in a situation where in order to get any work experience or a job in the area I'm qualified in, I would have to get myself fired/laid off, deliberately avoid finding work for three months, and then wait for an internship to come along, because that's where they've all gone.
As it is, I'm taking up space in a job somebody would probably really like, while I can't get work in the area I'm qualified in because the major necessity in the field apart from a degree now is 'wait until you're unemployed for long enough to work for us for free'.
Thanks, jobsbridge. Now I don't even qualify for unsalaried internships that require a third level education.

ted1 · 07-11-2013 10:33PM

I work/ specialise in metering. This would be good experience for a unemployed person. Private companies generally pay 750 a day for people to fit meters.

A person doing this should ensure they learn how to correctly fit meters for different size pipes.

bigblackmug · 07-11-2013 10:40PM

ted1 wrote: »

I work/ specialise in metering. This would be good experience for a unemployed person. Private companies generally pay 750 a day for people to fit meters.

A person doing this should ensure they learn how to correctly fit meters for different size pipes.

Expecting the post in 12 months time from Ted1 saying " I used to work/specialise in metering..."

Bog Standard User · 07-11-2013 10:41PM

jobs.ie sent me a survey about internships.

i did do that jobsbridge and i filled in the survey, when asked would i recommend internships to any of my friends i replied no.

kowloon · 07-11-2013 10:45PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

According to Monica Lewinsky internship has it's ups and downs

Good, but no cigar.

brokenarms · 07-11-2013 11:00PM

bigblackmug wrote: »

Expecting the post in 12 months time from Ted1 saying " I used to work/specialise in metering..."

Hopefully he wont.

I believe there is a lot more to it than simply connecting a few pipe. I guessing there will also be loads of ground work to be done with driveways and problems frost proofing. And so on....

BillyMitchel · 08-11-2013 02:47AM

Dell advertised JobBridge during the week.

Speachless.

Every tax break they could possibly want and then they go try hire a slave. Fock you Dell.

FearDark · 08-11-2013 02:51AM

I can't even get a job in the local Spar because it's a ****in job-bridge.

08-11-2013 02:55AM

A company in my town told everyone they're taking 10% paycuts and those who refuse will be let go and "replaced". The abuse of Job Bridge is unbelievable. It's amazing too that European companies will still come to Ireland to hire graduates for their mainland operations yet companies with a base here claim they can't afford it.

Rabelais · 08-11-2013 03:26AM

The social democrat in me realises that the JobBridge scheme is an inherently positive initiative. I hate to see cynical employers take advantage of it though. A general upturn in the economy should rid us of this.

B.A._Baracus · 08-11-2013 04:07AM

On paper, JobsBridge is a good thing. With so many college leavers as well as people changing careers... giving them an opportunity to gain experience in a certain field sounds like a great idea. Like there are hardly any jobs being creating but the idea to give people experience is seemingly moving forward.... On paper anyways

Problem was... to quote Blackadder in response to the efforts to stop WW1 "it was all bollocks" :pac:
This scheme has been abused and personally, while I am not genius on the matter, it sounds like manipulating the live-register figures for our german bank-managers.

Augmerson · 08-11-2013 08:14AM

Rabelais wrote: »

The social democrat in me realises that the JobBridge scheme is an inherently positive initiative. I hate to see cynical employers take advantage of it though. A general upturn in the economy should rid us of this.

Yeah any moment now...

the_barfly1 · 08-11-2013 09:27AM

jobbridge is bollocks. My missus' hours in work have been cut to the bare minimum because her bosses just took on three interns and are giving them all the full time work now. Its ****ing criminal.

jjbrien · 08-11-2013 10:06AM

Didnt the government recently announce that a jobbridge placement will now be extended to 18 months? Its shameless if you ask me. Even the Minimum Wage Act allows for trainees which is what employers and the government should be doing not 50 euro extra a week on jobbridge.

Trainees
The National Minimum Wage Act also provides sub-minimum rates which apply to employees who are over 18 and undergoing a course of structured training or directed study that is authorised or approved of by the employer.

Since 1 July 2011 the trainee rates provided by the Act are as follows, see also 'Rates' below:

First one-third of training course €6.49 per hour (75% of national minimum wage rate)
Second one-third of training course €6.92 per hour (80% of national minimum wage rate)
Final one third of the training course €7.79 per hour (90% of national minimum wage rate)
Note: each one third period must be at least one month and no more than one year.

The Act provides certain criteria which the training course must meet if the trainee rates are to apply. For example, the training or study must be for the purposes of improving the work performance of the employee; the employee's participation on the training or study must be directed or approved by the employer; at least 10% of the training must occur away from the employee’s ordinary operational duties; there must be an assessment and certification procedure or written confirmation on the completion of the training course.

At least with this the person has a real job and they pay gets upped every few months till they are at the full wage.

Soft Falling Rain · 08-11-2013 10:13AM

the_barfly1 wrote: »

jobbridge is bollocks. My missus' hours in work have been cut to the bare minimum because her bosses just took on three interns and are giving them all the full time work now. Its ****ing criminal.

Surely there's some kind of condition in place that forbids this?

At the very least, I know that when I was doing my internship, if I was directly hurting the hours of paid staff I'd be isolated and hounded out of the place.

fishy fishy · 08-11-2013 10:16AM

brokenarms wrote: »

On the fence a bit on this..

There are pros and cons.

Its seems that an employer is trying to be greedy

But on the other hand, after 9 months an otherwise unemployable person has now become very employable with good prospects.

It will be a somewhat skilled position . Although I would not let a water meter man plumb my home .

One would be better off doing a proper apprenticeship I think.

Is there not proof that most people who do the jobsbridge program get a job after its ran its course?
As long as it works it wont be going anywhere. Yet it is taking complete advantage of the economic situation.

how do you know the person is unemployable. The person may have been working for the last twenty years and is highly employable.

cop out again by our lovely govt.

Dravokivich · 08-11-2013 10:35AM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Dell advertised JobBridge during the week.

Speachless.

Every tax break they could possibly want and then they go try hire a slave. Fock you Dell.

What was the position for?

Ad for JobBridge water meter "job" gets taken down

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