Why dont we celebrate Guy Fawkes here?

Mint Sauce

He did after all, try to blow up the Houses of Parliament, after converting to Catholicism. I thought the Irish might have sympathized with him on them points alone considering our own history with the English.

Please note, this thread is not intended as an anti English/British/Terrorism thread.

I just find it odd that theres no mention of it here considering the above points.

RobertKK

Because it is a different country he relates to.

fluke

Fawke off

wretcheddomain

Because it's a disgusting sectarian celebration of the burning to death of the effigy of an individual.

The_Gatsby

They don't celebrate what he attempted to do in Britain, they celebrate the fact he was caught.

Artful_Badger

Sympathizing with someone hardly warrants a yearly celebration in their honor.

Mint Sauce

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Because it's a disgusting sectarian celebration of the burning to death of an effigy of an individual.

The_Gatsby wrote: »

They don't celebrate what he attempted to do in Britain, they celebrate the fact he was caught.

Agreed, the British celebrate his death and execution. Although now a days, there seems to be little reference to the man him self, and just referring to it as firework night.

Just surprised we never tried jumping in the bandwagon to celebrate what he attempted.

Augmerson

Because I'm not your buddy guy.

Nodin

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Agreed, the British celebrate his death and execution. Although now a days, there seems to be little reference to the man him self, and just referring to it as firework night.

Just surprised we never tried jumping in the bandwagon to celebrate what he attempted.

We were under Brit rule at the time and for subsequent centuries, so I doubt it would have been allowed flourish.

Artful_Badger

The_Gatsby wrote: »

They don't celebrate what he attempted to do in Britain, they celebrate the fact he was caught.

They dont know what the hell they are celebrating I think. It starting by celebrating the fact the king didnt die, then turned into a "fcuk all the catholics" type of a thing. It only became Guy Fawkes day recently enough.

At this stage its a celebration of being allowed to burn things in a pile by the looks of it.

Nodin

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Sympathizing with someone hardly warrants a yearly celebration in their honor.

...does if its an excuse for fires, fireworks and the craic.

iDave

We didn't remember the 5th of November

Augmerson

Artful_Badger wrote: »

At this stage its a celebration of being allowed to burn things in a pile by the looks of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw

The_Gatsby

Artful_Badger wrote: »

They dont know what the hell they are celebrating I think. It starting by celebrating the fact the king didnt die, then turned into a "fcuk all the catholics" type of a thing. It only became Guy Fawkes day recently enough.

At this stage its a celebration of being allowed to burn things in a pile by the looks of it.

Well obviously nowadays it's turned into an excuse for fireworks and a bonfire. It's like anything really. Look at halloween and Christmas. Nobody actually thinks of the real reason we celebrate these days.

wretcheddomain

The_Gatsby wrote: »

Well obviously nowadays it's turned into an excuse for fireworks and a bonfire. It's like anything really. Look at halloween and Christmas. Nobody actually thinks of the real reason we celebrate these days.

Exactly - even if they found out that Guy Fawkes never existed and the story is a fable, they'd then celebrate the symbolic meaning of the fable.

Karl Stein

Wasn't he an 'associate' of Gerry Adams?

wretcheddomain

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Wasn't he an 'associate' of Gerry Adams?

Gerry Adams ordered his murder, didn't you know?

Karl Stein

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Gerry Adams ordered his murder, didn't you know?

:eek:

theblaqueguy

They should have a bank holiday in honour of this great man!
Guy Fawkes is my hero!

mackerski

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Because it's a disgusting sectarian celebration of the burning to death of the effigy of an individual.

But Fawkes wasn't burned to death. Not that his actual death was nicer...

Kylo Ren

If he succeeded it would make more sense, and even then it would be moronic to celebrate it once a year.

Next.

Mint Sauce

The_Gatsby wrote: »

Well obviously nowadays it's turned into an excuse for fireworks and a bonfire. It's like anything really. Look at halloween and Christmas. Nobody actually thinks of the real reason we celebrate these days.

Why do we even celebrate halloween the way we do, or even at all?

The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

Maybe its just an excuse to burn and blow stuff up, and to copy American celebrations/holidays.

wretcheddomain

mackerski wrote: »

But Fawkes wasn't burned to death. Not that his actual death was nicer...

Don't you know what an effigy is?

The_Gatsby

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Why do we even celebrate halloween the way we do, or even at all?

The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

Maybe its just an excuse to burn and blow stuff up, and to copy American celebrations/holidays.

I honestly have no idea, I think it's stupid to be honest.

Gee Bag

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Why do we even celebrate halloween the way we do, or even at all?

The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

Maybe its just an excuse to burn and blow stuff up, and to copy American celebrations/holidays.

An American holiday!?!?

Our celebrating Bealtine (may 1st) and Samhain (oct 31st) with bonfires dates back to the Iron Age and is associatd with the birth and death of the year.

Mint Aero

People would want to seriously cop on regarding bon fires. It's bad for the environment.

srsly78

Epic history fail OP.

[-0-]

Because this is Ireland. Not Britain.

Mint Sauce

Gee Bag wrote: »

An American holiday!?!?

Our celebrating Bealtine (may 1st) and Samhain (oct 31st) with bonfires dates back to the Iron Age and is associatd with the birth and death of the year.

Been living here for 15 years, and have never heard it referred to as that.

Mint Sauce

srsly78 wrote: »

Epic history fail OP.

Which part was I incorrect on, that he was a catholic, or that he tried to blow up the houses of parliament?

Or do you have anything constructive to add to this thread, even by AHs standards, I think your post is the Epic Fail.

srsly78

Ah sorry. I thought you meant "why don't we celebrate the burning of his effigy"!

Artful_Badger

The_Gatsby wrote: »

I honestly have no idea, I think it's stupid to be honest.

Its not stupid its good honest fun rooted in age old myths and superstition.

Jimoslimos

Mint Sauce wrote: »

The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

Medium rare for me please!

Mint Sauce

srsly78 wrote: »

Ah sorry. I thought you meant "why don't we celebrate the burning of his effigy"!

Did you skip past all the other posts, including my second one of the first page, where I jested about celebrating what he attempted?

Gee Bag

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Been living here for 15 years, and have never heard it referred to as that.

Irish name is oiche shamhna (samhain's night). Later it became Hallow'een (English name) as its the night before all hallows day/all saints day, the christian day to remember the dead.

simples!

Fratton Fred

It started off with the burning of an effigy of the pope, probably much more popular with AHers.

Artful_Badger

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Been living here for 15 years, and have never heard it referred to as that.

People dont generally refer to it as anything other than Halloween but the history of it I'd assume is known by most and that it is an age old Gaelic/Pagan holiday.

Fratton Fred

Artful_Badger wrote: »

People dont generally refer to it as anything other than Halloween but the history of it I'd assume is known by most and that it is an age old Gaelic holiday.

Is it not a pagan festival?

gw80

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Why do we even celebrate halloween the way we do, or even at all?

The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

Maybe its just an excuse to burn and blow stuff up, and to copy American celebrations/holidays.

The practice was brought to America from Ireland, so it was celebrated in Ireland long before it was an american holiday

Jimoslimos

Mint Sauce wrote: »

He did after all, try to blow up the Houses of Parliament, after converting to Catholicism. I thought the Irish might have sympathized with him on them points alone considering our own history with the English.

Serious answer: The penal laws were probably more noticeable in England than Ireland at the time, it was only after the Gunpowder plot that these began to be implemented in full along with Protestant plantations of Ulster. So what a group of English dissidents were doing was of little interest to us at the time.

wp_rathead

theblaqueguy wrote: »

They should have a bank holiday in honour of this great man!
Guy Fawkes is my hero!

Why? He seems like an ass

Artful_Badger

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Is it not a pagan festival?

Pagan/Gaelic all the same. I dont know enough about it to say what exactly it is tbh. I just remember it being a harvest festival or something from the long long ago.

ewan whose army

I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.

mackerski

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Don't you know what an effigy is?

I know that you can't burn one to death.

oceanman

mackerski wrote: »

I know that you can't burn one to death.

Nodin

ewan whose army wrote: »

I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.

I think theres only one place left that burns the pope.

Fratton Fred

ewan whose army wrote: »

I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.

Add in a bit of Diwali and it is a good celebration.

who the fug

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Add in a bit of Diwali and it is a good celebration.

Not if you hate fireworks, right up there with tosspots on mopeds

hansfrei

Dey do de dwali up here, so dey do. Lubbly so it is. Guy Fawkes is about as interesting as watching wood burn.

Think we should make more of an effort for our own traditions. Lúnasa for example.

mike65

Mint Aero wrote: »

People would want to seriously cop on regarding bon fires. It's bad for the environment.

We can still celebrate bonfire night without burning toxic waste

Cookie_Monster

[-0-] wrote: »

Because this is Ireland. Not Britain.

Aus and NZ are not Britian but celebrate it none the less. It's just a good excuse to legelly sell and let off fireworks