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Why dont we celebrate Guy Fawkes here?

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  • #32
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    The_Gatsby wrote: »
    I honestly have no idea, I think it's stupid to be honest.

    Its not stupid its good honest fun rooted in age old myths and superstition.


  • #33
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.
    Medium rare for me please!


  • #34
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Ah sorry. I thought you meant "why don't we celebrate the burning of his effigy"!

    Did you skip past all the other posts, including my second one of the first page, where I jested about celebrating what he attempted?


  • #35
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Been living here for 15 years, and have never heard it referred to as that.

    Irish name is oiche shamhna (samhain's night). Later it became Hallow'een (English name) as its the night before all hallows day/all saints day, the christian day to remember the dead.

    simples!


  • #36
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    It started off with the burning of an effigy of the pope, probably much more popular with AHers.


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  • #37
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Been living here for 15 years, and have never heard it referred to as that.

    People dont generally refer to it as anything other than Halloween but the history of it I'd assume is known by most and that it is an age old Gaelic/Pagan holiday.


  • #38
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    People dont generally refer to it as anything other than Halloween but the history of it I'd assume is known by most and that it is an age old Gaelic holiday.

    Is it not a pagan festival?


  • #39
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭gw80


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Why do we even celebrate halloween the way we do, or even at all?

    The only reference I can see bonfires in relation to it, is burning witches at the steak, although I have never heard that reason for building them here. As for fireworks, I fail to see any reference.

    Maybe its just an excuse to burn and blow stuff up, and to copy American celebrations/holidays.

    The practice was brought to America from Ireland, so it was celebrated in Ireland long before it was an american holiday


  • #40
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    He did after all, try to blow up the Houses of Parliament, after converting to Catholicism. I thought the Irish might have sympathized with him on them points alone considering our own history with the English.
    Serious answer: The penal laws were probably more noticeable in England than Ireland at the time, it was only after the Gunpowder plot that these began to be implemented in full along with Protestant plantations of Ulster. So what a group of English dissidents were doing was of little interest to us at the time.


  • #41
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,114 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    theblaqueguy wrote: »
    They should have a bank holiday in honour of this great man!
    Guy Fawkes is my hero!

    Why? He seems like an ass


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  • #42
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Is it not a pagan festival?

    Pagan/Gaelic all the same. I dont know enough about it to say what exactly it is tbh. I just remember it being a harvest festival or something from the long long ago.


  • #43
    ewan whose army
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭ewan whose army


    I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

    The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

    Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.


  • #44
    mackerski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭mackerski


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    Don't you know what an effigy is?

    I know that you can't burn one to death.


  • #45
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭oceanman


    mackerski wrote: »
    I know that you can't burn one to death.
    :D


  • #46
    Nodin
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    ewan whose army wrote: »
    I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

    The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

    Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.


    I think theres only one place left that burns the pope.


  • #47
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    ewan whose army wrote: »
    I was born and grew up in England, I went to Bonfire Night, my school helped put the bonfire together, we asked locals to donate their junk to burn, we collected money for charity it was fun it brought the village together. I have never seen a effergy of Guy Fawkes burnt its a tradition that doesn't exist in the mainstream anymore.

    The Catholics in England celebrate it since my school (Both my Primary and secondary were RC) did stuff for it every year so its not a "down with the catholics" thing that some people claim. To be honest 99% of the UK doesn't have a thing against Catholics.

    Its just fun, a tradition, brings communities together and is one of the few "British" celebrations that haven't been hijacked by racist groups like the EDL.

    Add in a bit of Diwali and it is a good celebration.


  • #48
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Add in a bit of Diwali and it is a good celebration.

    Not if you hate fireworks, right up there with tosspots on mopeds


  • #49
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Dey do de dwali up here, so dey do. Lubbly so it is. Guy Fawkes is about as interesting as watching wood burn.

    Think we should make more of an effort for our own traditions. Lúnasa for example.


  • #50
    mike65
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    Mint Aero wrote: »
    People would want to seriously cop on regarding bon fires. It's bad for the environment.

    We can still celebrate bonfire night without burning toxic waste


  • #51
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    [-0-] wrote: »
    Because this is Ireland. Not Britain.

    Aus and NZ are not Britian but celebrate it none the less. It's just a good excuse to legelly sell and let off fireworks :)


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  • #52
    Karl Stein
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    who the fug wrote: »
    Not if you hate fireworks, right up there with tosspots on mopeds

    Fireworks and tosspots?

    Never!


  • #53
    RobbingBandit
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    fluke wrote: »
    Fawke off

    Fluke Off:eek:


  • #54
    bnt
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    wprathead wrote: »
    Why? He seems like an ass
    Guy Fawkes was the fall guy, the patsy. The one who was sent to guard the gunpowder overnight, while the real conspirators got their beauty sleep in safety. The foiled attack on the Houses of Parliament was sectarian in nature, but that doesn't mean that Catholics in general were supportive of it.

    Think about it: had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, September 11 would be a public holiday in the USA, and rightly so. How many Muslims would have a problem with that? Only the most radical "Death To America" types.

    I always remember the 5th of November. I was at the Alexandra Palace fireworks display in 2005, the 400th anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot, and I'm drinking a glass of London Pride at the moment: my way of toasting Guy Fawkes and his stupidity. :D

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #55
    Nodin
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    who the fug wrote: »
    Not if you hate fireworks, right up there with tosspots on mopeds


    ...what? yer being harassed by mods?


  • #56
    stefan idiot jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭stefan idiot jones


    'Guy Fawkes was the only person to enter Parliament with honest intentions'.

    That was on a t-shirt I saw twenty five years ago.


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...what? yer being harassed by mods?
    I used to like my scooter! ;)


  • #58
    mackerski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭mackerski


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I used to like my scooter! ;)

    Hyper Hyper!


  • #59
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I used to like my scooter! ;)

    Suits you sir

    :cool:


  • #60
    Artful_Badger
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    bnt wrote: »
    Guy Fawkes was the fall guy, the patsy. The one who was sent to guard the gunpowder overnight, while the real conspirators got their beauty sleep in safety. The foiled attack on the Houses of Parliament was sectarian in nature, but that doesn't mean that Catholics in general were supportive of it.

    Think about it: had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, September 11 would be a public holiday in the USA, and rightly so. How many Muslims would have a problem with that? Only the most radical "Death To America" types.

    I always remember the 5th of November. I was at the Alexandra Palace fireworks display in 2005, the 400th anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot, and I'm drinking a glass of London Pride at the moment: my way of toasting Guy Fawkes and his stupidity. :D

    No it wouldnt. There would have been headlines for a week about "Terrorist plot foiled" and then everyone would have forgotten about it.


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  • #61
    robinph
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It started off with the burning of an effigy of the pope, probably much more popular with AHers.

    A burnt pope with a side order of cats:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-24818807


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