Why do Irish People stand on escalators in such an arsed-way manner?

Billy86

April O Neill wrote: »

That outside of busy train stations, standing of less than a minute won't kill you. If you can't wait, as previously suggested, use the always-available stairs.

If we are still on the subject of Dundrum SC, you will find more often than not that about 3 steps up each flight is a small group of gormless teens or grannies, or parents with kids. You're doomed no matter what in that place.

April O Neill wrote: »

Take the stairs.

Dictate? :pac: It's *worth* pissing off people who consider that dictation, IMO.

*SHOVE*

Problem solved!

Or the other one I've been meaning to try. Just stand in really close on the culprit's personal space, lean over them, and breathe as deeply and heavily as possible. :pac::pac:

EDIT: I am the polite ask out of the way type though, after having scrolled down a few more posts . Still wanna try the heavy breather approach though, for my own entertainment if nothing else!

fishy fishy

awec wrote: »

Who are you to dictate that they must wait an extra 40 seconds?

Why can't people just do the decent thing and stand to one side and let others, who may or may not be in a rush, move at the pace at which they wish to move?

the fact is... the person got on the elevator before you - again, if you want to "climb" the escalator, then you might think about using the stairs (and yes, there is ALWAYS a stairs) or the lifts. There is no "rule" to say where to stand or how to move on an escalator - people use them because they don't want to "climb" the stairs. If you decide to get on an escalator behind someone that wants to Stand, that's your own bad luck. Nobody is "special" - remember that.

awec

fishy fishy wrote: »

the fact is... the person got on the elevator before you - again, if you want to "climb" the escalator, then you might think about using the stairs (and yes, there is ALWAYS a stairs) or the lifts. There is no "rule" to say where to stand or how to move on an escalator - people use them because they don't want to "climb" the stairs. If you decide to get on an escalator behind someone that wants to Stand, that's your own bad luck. Nobody is "special" - remember that.

What on earth has getting on it before someone got to do with anything?

What is so difficult about getting on and standing to one side? I don't understand why some people are unable to get their head around it. As I said earlier, I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just stupidity.

It would be win-win for everyone if they just showed a little consideration.

fishy fishy

awec wrote: »

What on earth has getting on it before someone got to do with anything?

What is so difficult about getting on and standing to one side? I don't understand why some people are unable to get their head around it. As I said earlier, I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just stupidity.

It would be win-win for everyone if they just showed a little consideration.

in reality, if somebody was blocking somebody's way and they asked them to move, they would usually step aside - however if somebody is going to be extremely rude, and pushing and shoving then they will have a hard time I would imagine - nobody likes a bully. there is no "rule" to tell you to stand to one side - people have buggies, shopping, etc with them - they are told to hold the handrail. Again, if it bugs people that others don't "part ways" when they see them coming I suggest they take the stairs. Its not a three hour journey - its usually less than a minute - nobody is that important. simples. People have every right to stand up and not move on an escalator.

fishy fishy

awec wrote: »

What on earth has getting on it before someone got to do with anything?

What is so difficult about getting on and standing to one side? I don't understand why some people are unable to get their head around it. As I said earlier, I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just stupidity.

It would be win-win for everyone if they just showed a little consideration.

its logical- when you get on the escalator- you are in fact behind everybody that has got on in front of you. The people in front of you may be blocking you from running up the escalator - one glance at the escalator will tell you if you will have to tell everyone to move or not. If there is a problem, take the stairs.

keithclancy

No, but I don't judge those who do

fishy fishy wrote: »

People have every right to stand up and not move on an escalator.

What if the two of them get to the top and don't get off ?

Wheres the rule that they should get out of the way ?

Common sense ffs

Billy86

fishy fishy wrote: »

in reality, if somebody was blocking somebody's way and they asked them to move, they would usually step aside - however if somebody is going to be extremely rude, and pushing and shoving then they will have a hard time I would imagine - nobody likes a bully. there is no "rule" to tell you to stand to one side - people have buggies, shopping, etc with them - they are told to hold the handrail. Again, if it bugs people that others don't "part ways" when they see them coming I suggest they take the stairs. Its not a three hour journey - its usually less than a minute - nobody is that important. simples. People have every right to stand up and not move on an escalator.

If someone asks politely for them to move and they do not, yes they deserve to get pushed by.

As has been said said time and again, you don't know what that person might be in a rush over. They might have left their wallet on the counter in a shop and just realised, left a shopping bag in the bathroom, have got a phone call that an emergency has come up (house fire, friend/family in car accident, anything really) and so on. Their state of rush/panic is not yours to decide, just as your state of calm is not theirs to decide (notice how nobody is saying everyone should walk on escalators - just stick to one side or at least move when asked?).

Nobody should push and should by default and consider themselves 'important' enough to do so, but nobody refuse to move when asked politely and consider themselves 'important' enough to not do so. Pretty simple.

keithclancy

No, but I don't judge those who do

Billy86 wrote: »

If someone asks politely for them to move and they do not, yes they deserve to get pushed by.

As has been said said time and again, you don't know what that person might be in a rush over. They might have left their wallet on the counter in a shop and just realised, left a shopping bag in the bathroom, have got a phone call that an emergency has come up (house fire, friend/family in car accident, anything really) and so on. Their state of rush/panic is not yours to decide, just as your state of calm is not theirs to decide (notice how nobody is saying everyone should walk on escalators - just stick to one side or at least move when asked?).

Nobody should push and should by default and consider themselves 'important' enough to do so, but nobody refuse to move when asked politely and consider themselves 'important' enough to not do so. Pretty simple.

Or they could have Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

fishy fishy

keithclancy wrote: »

What if the two of them get to the top and don't get off ?

Wheres the rule that they should get out of the way ?

Common sense ffs

in reality - when you get to the top of the escalator you would get off. Thats in the real world tho - not sure what world you are dealing with with that statement :D

awec

If people actually exercised a bit more common sense in busy areas then it would be a lot less frustrating for all. If they were actually more aware of where they are in their surroundings, rather than solely concentrating on themselves or be walking around in a daze then again it would be much less frustrating for all.

Dundrum has already been mentioned - one of the reasons it's such a nightmare when it's busy is that people will just walk across you, leave buggys and trollies everywhere, just stop walking right in front of a crowd of people walking, stand all over the escalators etc etc.

fishy fishy

Billy86 wrote: »

If someone asks politely for them to move and they do not, yes they deserve to get pushed by.

As has been said said time and again, you don't know what that person might be in a rush over. They might have left their wallet on the counter in a shop and just realised, left a shopping bag in the bathroom, have got a phone call that an emergency has come up (house fire, friend/family in car accident, anything really) and so on. Their state of rush/panic is not yours to decide, just as your state of calm is not theirs to decide (notice how nobody is saying everyone should walk on escalators - just stick to one side or at least move when asked?).

Nobody should push and should by default and consider themselves 'important' enough to do so, but nobody refuse to move when asked politely and consider themselves 'important' enough to not do so. Pretty simple.

likewise the old lady, person with buggy, might be using the escalator to take a breather, and are perfectly entitled to do so - they are perfectly entitled to let the escalator bring them to the next floor - if they happen to have a buggy or anything else that prevents somebody walking by them, the somebody behind them will just have to wait. As I said, the most logical thing for a "rusher" on an escalator, is to take a quick look at who is on it before you, size up if you will have difficulty getting a free "run" at it and maybe use the stairs for your running if you are in a hurry.

Billy86

keithclancy wrote: »

Or they could have Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

The non-movers would be paying for it then!! :pac: :pac:

It's like in a queue in a supermarket express line (you know the ones, 20-odd people with a few items each). If someone is fiddling on their phone while a big space opens up in front of them and the queue behind builds and builds, they will be tapped on the shoulder and asked to move. If they declare "I'm not moving. I'll just walk to the front when I am due to go to the till, same difference" I have a funny feeling they'd be having a chat with the security guy or shop manager fairly quickly. Either that or they'll just be moved by and skipped.

fishy fishy wrote: »

in reality - when you get to the top of the escalator you would get off. Thats in the real world tho - not sure what world you are dealing with with that statement :D

Yeah, 100% definitely not the case. There have been numerous times I have seen people get off escalators and mindlessly go on their phones, look around, wait for someone further back the escalator, etc without for one second thinking to just take a simple side-step or two out of the way of the way first.

keithclancy

No, but I don't judge those who do

fishy fishy wrote: »

likewise the old lady, person with buggy, might be using the escalator to take a breather, and are perfectly entitled to do so - they are perfectly entitled to let the escalator bring them to the next floor - if they happen to have a buggy or anything else that prevents somebody walking by them, the somebody behind them will just have to wait. As I said, the most logical thing for a "rusher" on an escalator, is to take a quick look at who is on it before you, size up if you will have difficulty getting a free "run" at it and maybe use the stairs for your running if you are in a hurry.

You're not supposed to bring buggies on Escalators.

Use the lift.

fishy fishy

keithclancy wrote: »

Or they could have Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

they could - fact is.....you don't know.

but I would advise the "rushers" to chill a little - high blood pressure is not worth it over such a trivial matter. Fact is, there is no "rule" for anybody to part ways. Use it at risk of your own blood pressure rising lads.

Billy86

fishy fishy wrote: »

likewise the old lady, person with buggy, might be using the escalator to take a breather, and are perfectly entitled to do so - they are perfectly entitled to let the escalator bring them to the next floor - if they happen to have a buggy or anything else that prevents somebody walking by them, the somebody behind them will just have to wait. As I said, the most logical thing for a "rusher" on an escalator, is to take a quick look at who is on it before you, size up if you will have difficulty getting a free "run" at it and maybe use the stairs for your running if you are in a hurry.

There are of course some exceptions yeah, but at the same time most people put the buggy ahead of themselves, and should do. Taking a buggy on an escalator side-by-side with you is dangerous and irresponsible. You push it on before you or carry it on behind you, not for the interest of people in a hurry, but for your own child's safety.

Just because you are older or 'need a breather' doesn't mean that you need to sprawl across a wide space (e.g. the whole escalator), that a small side-step to the right will kill you. I don't mind waiting behind someone not walking on an escalator (which I have said time and again) but if it is wide enough for two people, it annoys me if people refuse to stay at a side after being asked.

Medusa22

Medusa22 wrote: »

I never realised that you are supposed to stand to one side to let other people walk up the escalator, until I was rudely shoved out of the way on the london underground escalator. I never saw people trying to walk up the escalator at home in Ireland and if I realised that they wanted to then I would have moved out of the way. I found it horribly rude to just be shoved out of the way. I always make an effort now to stand to the side so people can walk up after that - but mostly when I'm abroad and therefore around rude people without manners.

No, you were the rude one. Did you not notice that everyone else was standing on one side of the escalator and other people were walking on the other side? Rude people without manners who those who thinks the world revolves around them and make everyone around them go at their pace. Nobody is asking you to walk up an escalator - how hard is it to stand on one side rather than the other?

Billy86

fishy fishy wrote: »

they could - fact is.....you don't know.

But that's the point. People who refuse to move if politely asked are making these decisions for people who could have any of these issues. Even though they literally do not know.

LordSutch

Xavi6 wrote: »

I live in a city with same population as Dublin, where I grew up, and the etiquette is to stand on the left so London can be replaced as the example very easily if needs be.

The amount of people in a city has no relevance to basic manners and allowing people get past if they need to.

Agreed, although we are just not used to that etiquette here, and for better or worse that's just the way it is.

April O Neill

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

awec wrote: »

Or you could just be considerate of others in the first place when getting on an escalator?

Like I said, it's *worth* pissing off people who get wound up so easily. Fun times.

Daveysil15

April O Neill wrote: »

Like I said, it's *worth* pissing off people who get wound up so easily. Fun times.

That tends to happen a lot in AH too.

April O Neill

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

Daveysil15 wrote: »

That tends to happen a lot in AH too.

Exactly! :pac:

Medusa22

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

Harper Petite Fig wrote: »

No, you were the rude one. Did you not notice that everyone else was standing on one side of the escalator and other people were walking on the other side? Rude people without manners who those who thinks the world revolves around them and make everyone around them go at their pace. Nobody is asking you to walk up an escalator - how hard is it to stand on one side rather than the other?

The point is that I didn't realise. Why would I check to see what everyone else is doing on the escalator? It wasn't like it was my first time on an escalator, I thought I knew what to do on one. You do not move to the side when you are on an escalator in Ireland, it is not done because people stand on them, I actually cannot recall a time that someone has asked me to move when I've been on an escalator in Ireland.

So why on earth would I think that I should stand to the side? I do stand to the side when I am abroad now, because I know. I still think that it is incredibly rude to shove someone out of the way when they obviously don't realise. I didn't see a sign, I am not constantly hyper-vigilant about my surroundings.

Harper Petite Fig

Harper Petite Fig wrote: »

No, you were the rude one. Did you not notice that everyone else was standing on one side of the escalator and other people were walking on the other side? Rude people without manners who those who thinks the world revolves around them and make everyone around them go at their pace. Nobody is asking you to walk up an escalator - how hard is it to stand on one side rather than the other?

How on earth is it rude not to know something?

What is rude, however, is knowing something, realising someone else doesn't know it, and penalising them for it rather than informing them.

My first time on the London underground, I stood to the side. Why? Because I saw a sign saying as much. If I hadn't seen the sign, I wouldn't have known. It's hardly a crime.

Medusa22

Medusa22 wrote: »

The point is that I didn't realise. Why would I check to see what everyone else is doing on the escalator? It wasn't like it was my first time on an escalator, I thought I knew what to do on one. You do not move to the side when you are on an escalator in Ireland, it is not done because people stand on them, I actually cannot recall a time that someone has asked me to move when I've been on an escalator in Ireland.

So why on earth would I think that I should stand to the side? I do stand to the side when I am abroad now, because I know. I still think that it is incredibly rude to shove someone out of the way when they obviously don't realise. I didn't see a sign, I am not constantly hyper-vigilant about my surroundings.

Why wouldn't you be aware of your surroundings? Especially in a big city? It's pretty obvious in London that everyone stands to one side, you'd have to be seriously oblivious to not notice that. Also, there are signs at the top of escalators saying 'stand on the right'.

I do think it's rude to shove someone out of the way, but anytime I've ever seen anyone do that, they HAVE asked politely several times and the person was standing there totally oblivious.

Muise...

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

I dare April O Neill to stand in front of Harper Petite Fig on an escalator, shuffle from left to right, then post footage of the resulting tizzy here.

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

I dare April O Neill to stand in front of Harper Petite Fig on an escalator, shuffle from left to right, then post footage of the resulting tizzy here.

I'd just shove her down the escalator and casually step over her at the bottom, true south London style. I dare say she'd just stand on the right next time.

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

In the airport, asking politely to "stand to the right please" usually does a Moses job for me when I'm late for work!

Medusa22

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

Medusa22 wrote: »

I am not constantly hyper-vigilant about my surroundings.

Ah, so you haven't had your purse stolen yet?

It's only a matter of time........then you'll learn.......

*Always* mind your surroundings.

Medusa22

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, so you haven't had your purse stolen yet?

It's only a matter of time........then you'll learn.......

*Always* mind your surroundings.

I said hyper-vigilant, not completely oblivious to everything. I have never had my purse stolen or my phone or anything else that I had on me.

Medusa22

No, because it's a stupid thing to do and really annoys normal people

Harper Petite Fig wrote: »

Why wouldn't you be aware of your surroundings? Especially in a big city? It's pretty obvious in London that everyone stands to one side, you'd have to be seriously oblivious to not notice that. Also, there are signs at the top of escalators saying 'stand on the right'.

I do think it's rude to shove someone out of the way, but anytime I've ever seen anyone do that, they HAVE asked politely several times and the person was standing there totally oblivious.

Once again, I said hyper-vigilant, not dozing off. I really did not see a sign, perhaps I was trying to figure out which line I had to take, I can't remember what I was doing on the escalator at that exact moment, just that someone shoved me out of the way. If they had said 'excuse me' then I would have moved, but they didn't.