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A Slow Journey to Faster Times
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Question for you, P: do you think you would feel better now if you had adjusted your expectation/target on the day and ground out a sub 3:30, for example? (Or similar to PaulieY). Might you have been better targeting to improve on your NYC performance, but maybe not aiming for a sub-3?
P.S. Hope the brow beating above is not your race report...
Short answers to your questions, yes & yes.
Longer answers:
Both RuMan & El Caballo's assertions are fairly accurate I'd say.
If I'd aimed for a time in line with how fit I felt I was going into Boston & New York, I'd have probably hit both quite comfortably and enjoyed the race experiences a lot more. However, being the stubborn fecker I am, I went out at a pace I wanted to believe I could sustain from the start. I was wrong both times, hence the subsequent death marches. In Ballycotton & Raheny I was also struggling early, but it's a hell of a lot easier to see out 5m/10m (when you're struggling after just 2m), than it is to hold that pace for another 24+. Those race times may have predicted one thing in the marathon, but the truth is the effort for those (30:16 & 63:59) felt far more difficult than any previous races I'd done (most of which were faster) and I knew myself I was way out of shape. I was even hitting the red zone in the MP runs I completed in training which I knew shouldn't be the case. I didn't really listen to my body because I didn't want to believe it.
I don't really feel like writing a race report at the moment. The result is depressing enough. Recalling the gruesome details of just how it unfolded might reduce me to tears
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Listen P, I folded in the heat in Rotterdam before only to bounce back and run sub 3 (I never did write that RTM race report).
Get a good 9 months behind you of consistent, but enjoyable running, take a day off if you feel like it (perish the thought
), run some short no pressure races/parkruns to get back in shape and then nail a specific 13 week marathon program next Spring (if that's what you decide to do).
The talent is undoubtedly there, sh1t happens, learn from it and keep making mistakes - otherwise you'll get too comfortable
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Don't forget you also ran Dublin a few weeks after Berlin, half expecting to better your time, despite everyone (me included) telling you you were mad.
You liked your marathons at the time. You don't now. No one seems to know more than yourself what needs to be done here. (Going back to your golf game is not the answer, although it would probably help if you can do both, as FBOT and Ferris seem to be able to do.)
I don't know the answer, but I do know that you will figure it out. You're analytical by nature, and you're good at it to boot.0 -
Long time since I posted here......
Boston really hurt me. I made a lot of mistakes for the first time in New York and vowed never to repeat them, but I went and did it again in Boston to a far worse degree. To run (& walk) even slower than I had when I'd made my 2010 debut in Dublin really did feel like I'd hit rock bottom. It's taken me a while to get over it.
Anyway, I did my best to just get out and keep running from the end of April, mostly managing to keep the weekly mileage decent (>40pw) bar a few manic weeks in the middle of summer where something had to give. In my case it was the running/training that suffered for that fortnight or so.
I had entered the entire Race Series, but setting targets was difficult since my training was so inconsistent and I'd no idea what shape I was in. In the end I ran the 5m comfortably hard (31:3x), skipped the 10k and went golfing instead due to the missed fortnight & acted as a 70 minute pacer for Murph_D in the 10m (69:45). Training's been going ok lately and I needed some sort of marker to gauge what I should target in the HM, since the most recent time I'd 'raced' was in Ballycotton last March (63:59). So I gave a couple of parkruns a bash the last two Saturdays (18:20, 18:55). Both were primarily solo efforts with other runners either too far ahead or behind to get into a battle with. I actually feel the second one was a better run on a more difficult course. McMillan & VDOT both predict times in the 1:24:xx's off the quickest of those, but I see FBOT01 ran 1:24 at the weekend, so I'll just have to beat that :pac:
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Long time since I posted here......
Boston really hurt me. I made a lot of mistakes for the first time in New York and vowed never to repeat them, but I went and did it again in Boston to a far worse degree. To run (& walk) even slower than I had when I'd made my 2010 debut in Dublin really did feel like I'd hit rock bottom. It's taken me a while to get over it.
Anyway, I did my best to just get out and keep running from the end of April, mostly managing to keep the weekly mileage decent (>40pw) bar a few manic weeks in the middle of summer where something had to give. In my case it was the running/training that suffered for that fortnight or so.
I had entered the entire Race Series, but setting targets was difficult since my training was so inconsistent and I'd no idea what shape I was in. In the end I ran the 5m comfortably hard (31:3x), skipped the 10k and went golfing instead due to the missed fortnight & acted as a 70 minute pacer for Murph_D in the 10m (69:45). Training's been going ok lately and I needed some sort of marker to gauge what I should target in the HM, since the most recent time I'd 'raced' was in Ballycotton last March (63:59). So I gave a couple of parkruns a bash the last two Saturdays (18:20, 18:55). Both were primarily solo efforts with other runners either too far ahead or behind to get into a battle with. I actually feel the second one was a better run on a more difficult course. McMillan & VDOT both predict times in the 1:24:xx's off the quickest of those, but I see FBOT01 ran 1:24 at the weekend, so I'll just have to beat that :pac:
Looking forward to it
You forgot to mention that you not only ran 18:55 on a tough course in Castle Demesne but you managed to lead from pillar to post, run the correct course and bag your first parkrun first finisher.........well on the road to redemption!!
1:24:01 is the mark. It's there for the taking. ENJOY!!!0 -
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Good to see you around these parts again.
What time are you pacing at Dublin? Any other races planned for now?
Thanks.
Pacing band still to be finalised, but it definitely won't be your 3:10 group.
I'm probably going to target another HM (Portarlington or Waterford) before Christmas and maybe Jingle Bells 5k too. Should fit a few parkruns in before that. Going to do some parkrun tourism while I have the chance. Rough plan for next year then is Raheny 5m - Enniscorthy 10k/Trim 10m (or both) - Ballycotton 10m - London Marathon.0 -
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