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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Sunday 12th March - Ballycotton 10'
    10m @ 6:16p/m average (163bpm)

    A solid effort.
    Plenty to be happy with, but also the annoyance of knowing I could have done better.


    Pre-Race

    Was staying in Killeagh with three other Ballycotton participants. It's not far away. We left at 12pm and were in Garryvoe before 12:30. It seemed we got the very last shuttle bus though and even moving towards the start with half an hour to spare, I knew I'd probably struggle to get close enough to the front of the field to be in the 'right' position. That proved to be the case, when after spending fifteen minutes of squeezing through, I'd only barely managed to get in line with the 'Under 65 minutes' sign. Spotted adrian522 as I got ready to race and we exchanged good wishes, before I settled in behind my old sparring partner paddybarry. Quick hello to him too and we were off soon after that.


    The Race

    In theory, lining up at the 'Under 65 minutes' sign should see my first mile no slower than 6:30 right? We all know that's not really the case, especially in a race with a start as narrow as Ballycotton.


    Mile 1 (6:34)

    Boxed in. I could go nowhere. Just ran at whatever pace the field was moving and didn't bother looking at my watch as I could do nothing about the pace. There was nowhere to go. I sat and suffered going downhill in what probably should be the fastest mile of the race. It ended up being my slowest. I believe I lost at least 30 seconds. I decided to just run the rest of the race as planned and not let it upset me. If I tried to start clawing it back by pushing too early, I could blow up before the end and ruin my entire race. This way I'd only lose 30-40 seconds and I could justify that to myself at the end. Detonating in mile 7 chasing lost time would be much harder to take. Decision made.

    Mile 2 (6:15)

    Around halfway through this mile, you take the first obvious turn right and the road opens up a bit. Now was my chance to get back on track. I eased the effort up a notch and immediately started overtaking people. Wasn't paying much attention to the watch, but automatically felt when I was at the correct effort and focused on maintaining it. Pleased to see 6:15 flash up. That seemed about right.

    Mile 3 (6:14)


    Field was starting to thin out a little bit now. Never spotted Murph_D, even though I know he started up beside Mick Clohisey :pac:. Up ahead I could now see Ferris B & paddybarry. I gradually reeled Ferris in and grunted that I'd been "held up at the start" as I passed. He informed me afterwards that he thought I'd said "I really have to fart". This caused him to laugh, which led to his stitch that cost him sub 64 (or so we're to believe :D). I then moved past paddybarry. I was going to mutter something to him too about pushing on, but I was gasping a bit and decided against it. I expected him to sit on my shoulder anyway, as he said he was going to pace off me before the race.

    Mile 4-6 (6:16, 6:18, 6:17)

    From what I remember, these three miles were the toughest of the race. We seemed to be running straight into whatever wind was blowing during this section. I just about held the same pace, but it definitely felt more difficult. There were lots of spectators in different spots along here, making plenty of noise and offering great support. My own crew gave me a real boost at the four mile marker with a brilliant shout out. In general though, I thought the crowd were fantastic. I remember thinking the atmosphere out on the route was the closest I've come to a big city marathon in a road race of a different distance. Out in the middle of the countryside we were treated to huge encouragement from large pockets of people, who picked out names & club singlets and roared them on enthusiastically. Far from partisan either. Whether it was Dublin, Derry, Galway or Cork, they all got the same treatment. Super stuff!

    Mile 7 (6:11)

    We must have turned out of the wind here, as my pace started to pick up at the same effort. I still felt ok, but was starting to pass more and more people. From knowing the course, I also knew I was now heading in the right direction. That always helps me pick up the pace, no matter what the conditions.

    Mile 8 (6:11)

    My crew had managed to get themselves to the turn just before the 8m marker and gave me another massive shout out. A realisation that I was still in good shape and had less than twenty minutes of running left helped to produce a little injection of pace. I was passing a lot of people now, which only helped me keep up the pace. I started to look forward to the final hill, knowing I could pass even more. I can't remember how long it's been since I enjoyed the final stages of a race so much.

    Mile 9 (6:16)

    This mile is a little bit lumpy. I didn't feel like I dropped effort or pace, but the clock says otherwise. I think momentum suffers a bit here as you're going up and down little rises and falls which makes it harder to find a rhythm. I ploughed on while passing a few more and eyeing the final left turn, knowing that I only had a straight 1.5m run home from there. A group of 5/6 with a Mallow AC female were just ahead of me. All I was thinking turning the corner was there was no way anyone in that group was finishing ahead of me. It just wasn't happening.

    Mile 10 (6:06)


    My fastest mile of the race. My slowest came in reverse back down the hill. If I can run 6:06 up a hill after nine fastish miles, I think I could have at least matched it in mile one in reverse coming down. Anyway......

    I started to pass a few in the little group I mentioned. After I got by them all, one guy in a blue shirt came back by me. This guy and me had been exchanging places since early in the race. Other than that, I wasn't passed by anyone. I wasn't going to let him win our personal battle that easy. "Go ahead" I said, "but you'd want to take a fair auld lead if you don't to be overtaken again. When I empty this tank, I'm taking everyone within 100 yards". Obviously these words all took place in my head and the guy in blue probably wasn't even aware of our personal duel. I'm going to pretend he was though :pac:. I held pace passing through the town, getting another great shout out from annapr & co. half a mile from home. Then as we reached the 300m metre mark, I hit the gas. I think I made up another 6/7 places. Flew over the line. The boy in blue didn't stand a chance. Or the other few ahead of him :). I had 5:58 on the Garmin for the last mile, but it measured 10.03, so I guess I'll have to add that 8 seconds too. Still happy with that though, in what is a pretty tough closing mile.

    Garmin trace here.


    Official Time: 62:38


    Post-Race

    Hung around for Ferris B to see how he'd got on and gave paddybarry a wave before we left the finish area. He was obviously lurking on my shoulder as promised :). Quick catch up with Murph_D & adrian522 too and I was off back to my lodgings. Big feed, then the long drive back to the Capital. Legs fine. Everything fine in fact. This week's training will be tough, but I'm not dreading it as much as I expected to.


    Thoughts

    I think I ran better today than I ran in Trim. Without the self-inflicted slow first mile, I think I may have gone sub 62. If not, I'd have been very close and although today offered pretty good conditions, Trim was even more ideal. The main thing though, was the difference in effort. I was flat out in Trim all the way. I didn't ever feel like that today. That's progress to me. I'm looking forward to London.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭overpronator


    Nice one. Bodes well for London now. Have u settled on a goal time?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Nice one. Bodes well for London now. Have u settled on a goal time?

    At the moment I think I'll head out around 2:55 pace as we discussed. I'm hoping to be able to pick it up off that later in the race and run somewhere in the low 2:50's. I don't think I'm in sub 2:50 shape, so I can't justify going for that.

    How did you get on in Bohermeen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭overpronator


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    At the moment I think I'll head out around 2:55 pace as we discussed. I'm hoping to be able to pick it up off that later in the race and run somewhere in the low 2:50's. I don't think I'm in sub 2:50 shape, so I can't justify going for that.

    How did you get on in Bohermeen?

    Good stuff, solid plan.

    Didnt race Bohermeen flat out in the end, was sick all week and barely ran and was afraid of it dragging into this week, these next weeks are so important i held back on racing it.

    Felt ok on Sunday morning so said id try to get a good session out of it, ran a comfortable 1.24.24, prob 2-3 mins slower than where i would hope to be racing flat out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    My fastest section of the race (uphill!)

    I believe you did mention that... once... or twice... :p

    Enjoyed that report, very funny :D. And good running too of course.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Sorry we didn't get to see you yest P well done can't believe that uphill mile was your fastest will have to get some tips on hill running from you !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Nice running P, as others said, last mile being the fastest can only bode well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    Might be an idea to toe the line up for London on the Saturday...;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Ferris B wrote: »
    Might be an idea to toe the line up for London on the Saturday...;)

    Nah. That strategy doesn't work. :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Great running P, all looking good for London.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Good report as always, P and a very solid performance. Great platform being built for London.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 13/18


    This is probably the second toughest week on the plan. However, coming off the Ballycotton race and trying to work around a sh*tload of personal circumstances meant it was likely to be my most challenging. That's not even taking Cheltenham into consideration!


    Monday 13th March
    8m @ 8:16p/m average (128bpm avg)

    Had the company of Ferris B for this one. Nice & easy, but the legs were starting to remind me they'd had a race yesterday towards the end.


    Tuesday 14th March
    1.5m w/u @ 8:03p/m average (123bpm avg)
    3 x 2m @ 6:17p/m average with 800m recoveries (157bpm)
    1.5m c/d @ 7:59p/m average (137bpm avg)


    Had been expecting this to be really difficult just over 48 hours after Ballycotton and was prepared to ease off the pace a little bit if necessary. In the end though, the effort was lower than last week's session and the splits were perfect. Lovely jublee!


    Wednesday 15th March
    Rest


    Thursday 16th March
    1.5m w/u @ 8:08p/m average (125bpm avg)
    9m @ 6:29p/m average (155bpm)
    2m c/d @ 7:36p/m average (146bpm avg)


    Like Tuesday, I was happy to allow a slightly slower pace than normal if required. Again tonight though, my HR was lower than previous MP efforts and the pace was sub 6:30 for the first time in a while. Buzzing after this! So much so that I missed a turn back for home that added an extra half mile onto my cooldown.


    Friday 17th March
    7m @ 8:10p/m average (126bpm avg)

    Took it really easy, but it was more difficult than it should have been. Saw Micky D being escorted back home from the parade. Horrible day.


    Saturday 18th March
    8m @ 8:28p/m average (127bpm avg)

    Had to get out early enough for this as had other stuff on later in the day. Bit of a struggle in more ****ty weather. Gave every runner a cheery "Morning" as I passed, one of which was Tigerandahalf (I think). He was one of the very few positive responses I got.


    Sunday 19th March
    16m @ 7:02p/m average (140bpm avg)

    With my schedule this week, this was always going to be a late night job. There was no way I wasn't getting it done though, no matter what. Getting through this week on target was a big deal for me, especially after hitting the more challenging paces earlier in the week. So, after almost four hours in the car, I headed out and got it done. Felt like sh*t, so surprised the HR was so low.



    Very happy to get that week out of the way on target. Krusty replied to a comment I made on his log about eliminating the stupidity in his build up to the marathon, as he felt that's what cost him last year. Even after reading that, I was guilty of some major stupidity myself this week. I'm counting myself lucky not to have done more damage. I got up at 6:30am on Friday morning to play golf, depriving myself of much needed sleep and proceeding to be frozen & soaked in the next four hours having stupidly trusted an Irish weather forecast. At 12pm, I felt like I had pleurisy. I still do (a little bit). Having felt invincible on Thursday night, it seems I did my best to do myself some damage to make life difficult when everything was going so well. What I had written off as run of the mill jogs on Friday & Saturday turned out to be my toughest runs of the whole week, while Sunday wasn't hard, but it should have been a piece of cake judging off the two sessions I'd completed on Tuesday & Thursday. I've learned my lesson. Stay healthy, or more accurately, don't actively contribute to being unhealthy! :rolleyes:


    By the way, what happened to Spring? It was in Ballycotton last Sunday, but seems to have disappeared again.........


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 14/18


    The supposedly 'easy' week (sandwiched in between the two with the highest mileage on the plan) was anything but that!


    Monday 20th March
    6m @ 8:18p/m average (121bpm avg)

    Runmute with the backpack. Nothing eventful to report.


    Tuesday 21st March
    1.5m w/u @ 7:59p/m average (126bpm avg)
    2 x 3m @ 6:16p/m average with 1m recoveries (158bpm)
    1.5m c/d @ 8:19p/m average (129bpm avg)


    I wasn't really relishing this one, but I made it easier in my head by spiltting it into 2 x 5k pacing gigs (20mins). Obviously it was very slightly faster than that and a bit less than 5k, but it worked.


    Wednesday 22nd March
    Rest


    Thursday 23rd March
    2m w/u @ 8:18p/m average (125bpm avg)
    9m @ 6:31p/m average (156bpm)
    2m c/d @ 8:15p/m average (134bpm avg)


    Still far from 100%, but convinced myself that once I got this over with I wouldn't have to run any way 'fast' until next Tuesday. Job done.
    I was thinking to myself afterwards that I'm regularly knocking out 1:30ish half-marathons on a weekly basis, with almost 33% of those miles being w/u & c/d. That can't be a bad thing and definitely something to boost the confidence a bit when you're not feeling as good as you might be.


    Friday 24th March
    6m @ 8:00p/m average (118bpm avg)

    Surprised at the pace & HR here. Felt like I was really shuffling along and working harder than the stats say I was.


    Saturday 25th March
    10m @ 8:05p/m average (123bpm avg)

    Spent a very enjoyable morning in Arklow Golf Club. Fantastic weather on a fantastic golf course. Fit this in afterwards during the evening sunshine. Was completely wiped out by the end of the day though.


    Sunday 26th March
    10m @ 8:12p/m average (128bpm avg)

    Early afternoon on another lovely day for this. Bit more of a gust blowing out there, which probably accounts for the slightly slower pace and higher HR compared to yesterday.



    Very big week coming up. I'm hoping I've looked after myself enough to get through it ok. I probably took it a bit too easy on the non-session runs this week, but was conscious of pushing too hard considering how awful I've been feeling since St Patrick's Day. Just a sore throat lingering now which I'm hoping to be rid of asap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 15/18


    The highest mileage week on the plan. Was expecting a difficult week and I wasn't disappointed.


    Monday 27th March
    8m @ 8:03p/m average (125bpm avg)

    Runmute with the backpack. Felt fine aerobically, but the legs were a bit wooden.


    Tuesday 28th March
    2m w/u @ 8:04p/m average (125bpm avg)
    3 x 2m @ 6:18p/m average with 800m recoveries (157bpm)
    2m c/d @ 7:57p/m average (136bpm avg)


    I find this session tougher than the 2x3m I had a week ago. Probably because there's only half the recoveries and there's an extra rep (despite the same total distance at prescribed pace). Could be just mental though. Managed it ok in the end.


    Wednesday 29th March
    Rest


    Thursday 30th March
    2m w/u @ 7:59p/m average (124bpm avg)
    10m @ 6:30p/m average (158bpm)
    2m c/d @ 7:58p/m average (148bpm avg)


    Despite the stats making it look otherwise, I found this very difficult. Three things I've confirmed from this run are:

    1. - 6:30 will not be my MP.
    2. - I need to do some core work.
    3. - I need a pre-London rub down.


    1. - There's no way I can hold 6:30 pace for 26.22m at the moment. But that's ok as I already conceded that a few weeks ago. This session just confirmed it for me and ensured I don't do anything stupid like going out at that pace in three weeks.

    2. - I have done a grand total of zero core work in this training cycle. I know it's beneficial and have been religious about getting routines in at least once a week in previous successful marathon cycles. However, I just hate doing it and have avoided for that reason in the hope that the miles will be enough to get the job done. I'll do a bit over the next few weeks, not that it will make a huge difference at this stage.

    3. - My legs have started to feel a little weary lately. I meant to organise a sports massage the day after Ballycotton, but it never materialised. I decided to get this difficult week over with on the tired auld planks before giving them what they're craving in the near future. I think that should hopefully leave me feeling somewhat refreshed going into the race.

    Back to the run. I was pretty tired when I got in after this. Five days before my next day off :eek:


    Friday 31st March
    7m @ 8:10p/m average (120bpm avg)

    Got this over with by 8:30am with my first run-mute into work. As luck would have it, because of this I was completely unaffected by the bus & rail carnage. I was actually the only person who turned up on time :pac:. Complete fluke. So easily could have been left fuming standing at a bus stop or platform. Lovely morning and took it very handy less than 12 hours after last night's MP session.


    Saturday 1st April
    8m @ 7:51p/m average (130bpm avg)

    Got out early enough for this one on another beautiful morning. Glad I did as the rest of the day wasn't too friendly weather wise.


    Sunday 2nd April
    16m @ 6:57p/m average (149bpm avg)

    Had always planned to leave this a bit later in the afternoon/evening to give me a big enough gap from the previous day's run. Ended up having a few beers last night for the first (and last) time in a while. Probably didn't help the HR levels, but it wasn't too much different to my most recent runs of similar distance. Nice to get it ticked off comfortably under target pace.



    A pretty testing seven days as anticipated. Not much respite coming up either, as apart from the lack of a 'long' run next week, it's just as challenging. There's two more MP sessions of 10m right up to ten days before the race and the Tuesday strength workouts continue until then too, so a little over a week of a taper. No time for any madness! I don't think I'll be suffering from any this time anyway. As bizarre as it sounds, I actually don't feel that fit. I've been hitting sessions comfortably enough on target, but I haven't got that feeling that I'm raring to go or holding myself back from going faster. Feel a bit undertrained if anything. Maybe that will change closer to the race. If it doesn't, I'll just remind myself that it's better than being overtrained or injured :P.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    really enjoying this journey and loving the honesty in the updates.

    I've started to view the whole thing as a multi year process, this training cycle is a build up to the next one and then the next one. We'll never stop til we continue to slow down.

    If 6:30 isn't your MP this year - it could be next year. Next year you'll look back on the groundwork done this year.


    Super training.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭ger664


    P

    Just to be 100% you are not selling yourself short with the 6:30 MP.

    Could you have kept that pace for another 3-4 miles on Thursday ? Remember this was done on your biggest mileage week so its not the same as doing 10 mile MP on fresh legs, the accumulated fatigue make it more like the last 10 miles

    You have admitted that the legs are heavy/in need of a rub combine this with the taper they should have more bounce/freshness on the day

    Again you are experienced enough to make the correct choice but maybe leave it till the week of the race before making a final decision on MP on the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    ger664 wrote: »
    P

    Just to be 100% you are not selling yourself short with the 6:30 MP.

    Could you have kept that pace for another 3-4 miles on Thursday ? Remember this was done on your biggest mileage week so its not the same as doing 10 mile MP on fresh legs, the accumulated fatigue make it more like the last 10 miles

    You have admitted that the legs are heavy/in need of a rub combine this with the taper they should have more bounce/freshness on the day

    Again you are experienced enough to make the correct choice but maybe leave it till the week of the race before making a final decision on MP on the day.

    Hi Ger.

    What you're insinuating is exactly the philosophy of the authors. They feel that other plans focus far too much on the weekly long run and the hallowed distance of 20 miles (or more). Their attitude is to load the week evenly with tough workouts, so that you're almost always running on tired legs and that the long run (and probably the MP sessions too) feel like the final miles of a marathon rather than the the early ones. The long runs in this plan are generally 25-30% of the total weekly mileage and always coming off two tough sessions in the previous five days. You don't get a 'taper' ahead of them as you do in some other plans. They don't feel a run of further than 16m is necessary as you'll spend too much time on your feet and need more time to recover from that, which in turn will affect your training for the following week. My longest run timewise has been about 1:53/54. This doesn't worry me at all. Seems to worry anyone else I tell about it though. Anyway, I guess we'll find out who's right in three weeks. The Hansons or the rest :D

    You could be right about the 6:30 MP, but I'm happy enough to realise that halfway into the race and pick it up. Boston & New York are the two worst races I've ever run at any distance in my life (Boston especially by a long way). The funny thing is the exact same thing caused both horrific experiences. I went out at too fast a pace for my fitness level at the time and paid for it (still paying interest on Boston :rolleyes:). I am adamant I am never going to repeat them again (especially Boston). New York was unpleasant, but was a far more gradual slowdown. Boston was hell. I think it's the worst I've ever felt physically after a race too. I was in a bad way for a while afterwards. I was done after 7 miles there. It's a long way home when you've nothing left with almost 20 miles to cover. Even though I've been in plenty of pain in many races, I still enjoyed them at some stage during and reflecting on them after. Not so those two. I'm ashamed of both of them (especially Boston). And I can't blame anything bar my own stupidity.

    For London, I have three main goals:

    1. - Run a significant pb (5mins+)
    2. - Run a negative split (have still yet to manage it, even pacing DCM :pac:)
    3. - Mile 1 to be my slowest of the race. Mile 26 to be my fastest.

    If I achieve those three goals, I will be over the moon. Going out at 6:30 and blowing up doesn't interest me. 6:30 per mile for the distance still wouldn't get me under 2:50, so I'm happy enough to be more conservative starting off. If I feel really good, who knows? I may pick it up and get close to that number, but I'd much rather be chasing that down at the end than clinging onto 2:52 or so and going backwards. My last two raced marathons have featured bigger detonations than Hiroshima and I don't think anyone wants another one of them. I achieved goals 2 & 3 in Ballycotton and felt a million dollars climbing the hill in the last mile. That's the feeling I want going by Big Ben.


  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    As a fellow Hanson programmed, London bound runner I am in the same boat as yourself re wondering about the race pace . Like you, I was fairly wrecked after last thursdays 10m @ MP session. The thoughts of completing another 16 miles at the same pace scared the hell out of me, and still does! I found a straw to clutch at though, there's a line in the book which says 'the taper can elicit improvements of up to 3%'. That's 5 mins for you. Worth considering.

    I'm not sure if your comment re the first mile (which is downhill) is really you saying 'it'll be my slowest mile' as opposed to 'I'm not going to get carried away' . If you just want a PB fine, but if your looking to race your fastest possible time based on the course profile I suggest the first couple of miles will probably be at target race pace or a little under.

    You probably have read the statistical report from Barry Smyth ( mentioned in london thread) which suggests for a PB the london route should be run with a positive split, I think about 5%. I personally don't like that idea from a mental approach but maybe it's the way to go. Perhaps others around here who achieved a PB in London might have an opinion as to whether the course is really suited to negative, even or positive splits when going all out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Ferris B wrote: »
    As a fellow Hanson programmed, London bound runner I am in the same boat as yourself re wondering about the race pace . Like you, I was fairly wrecked after last thursdays 10m @ MP session. The thoughts of completing another 16 miles at the same pace scared the hell out of me, and still does! I found a straw to clutch at though, there's a line in the book which says 'the taper can elicit improvements of up to 3%'. That's 5 mins for you. Worth considering.

    I'm not sure if your comment re the first mile (which is downhill) is really you saying 'it'll be my slowest mile' as opposed to 'I'm not going to get carried away' . If you just want a PB fine, but if your looking to race your fastest possible time based on the course profile I suggest the first couple of miles will probably be at target race pace or a little under.

    You probably have read the statistical report from Barry Smyth ( mentioned in london thread) which suggests for a PB the london route should be run with a positive split, I think about 5%. I personally don't like that idea from a mental approach but maybe it's the way to go. Perhaps others around here who achieved a PB in London might have an opinion as to whether the course is really suited to negative, even or positive splits when going all out.

    Is London not fairly like Berlin though? No hills of any real significance. I won't be zig zagging early to get up to race pace anyway. I doubt ten seconds or so in the first mile of a marathon will make any real difference to the overall time. Even if the second half has a slightly tougher profile, so did Ballycotton and I would prefer to finish like that than Berlin in 2014 where I was hanging on from a long way out. Don't get me wrong, I won't be expending energy stopping myself being propelled down hills, but I'll be careful not to use up any taper induced freshness between miles 1 & 13.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 16/18


    Another week over with. The Hansons have me knackered though!


    Monday 3rd April
    6m @ 7:50p/m average (129bpm avg)

    Early run into work. All done by 8:30am, giving me almost 36 hours to recover for Tuesday's strength session.


    Tuesday 4th April
    2m w/u @ 7:53p/m average (123bpm avg)
    4 x 1.5m @ 6:17p/m average with 800m recoveries (155bpm)
    2m c/d @ 8:08p/m average (130bpm avg)


    Had been a little worried about this with the fatigue really starting to build in the legs lately. Found the first one a bit difficult, but the other three were fine. Never really felt like I was pushing too hard and the HR bears that out.


    Wednesday 5th April
    Rest


    Thursday 6th April
    2m w/u @ 7:52p/m average (132bpm avg)
    10m @ 6:28p/m average (159bpm)
    2m c/d @ 7:50p/m average (148bpm avg)


    As mentioned last week, this will not be my MP. I don't think it will do me any harm to continue running at this pace for the remainder of the plan though. Was out early for this, which seemed to make it even more difficult! There was a howler of a wind blowing which made some of the miles a hell of a lot tougher than others. Mile 9 was one of those and the 6:29 there took much more of an effort than it should have. However, having taken a turn out of the wind early in Mile 10 I kept up the effort and finished off with a 6:16 mile. I've only actually noticed it now on review, as it was completely unintentional. I hope I haven't done any damage.


    Friday 7th April
    6m @ 8:02p/m average (122bpm avg)

    Took this very easy after yesterday's session. Felt more like a recovery run.


    Saturday 8th April
    10m @ 7:48p/m average (136bpm avg)

    Didn't get out for this until the afternoon due to various other commitments. Didn't feel great and HR is higher than ideal for the pace, but it was quite warm outside.


    Sunday 9th April
    10m @ 7:45p/m average (134bpm avg)

    Golfing in the morning while simultaneously trying to stay updated with exploits in Rotterdam. Some truly heroic performances there. We've almost come to expect it at this stage from those involved, but serious kudos nonetheless. I can't find the words to justifiably describe how impressed I was. Anyway, onto my own far less inspiring run. This week is almost identical to last week without the long run, so not really surprising that I was completely wiped before I even finished the golf. Getting off the couch afterwards was hard work, but I eventually managed it for what felt like a real plod. An ordeal. No fun.



    I am exhausted!
    The Wednesday session (Rest Day) has long been my favourite part of the Hansons plan. I'm hoping I'm supposed to be this fatigued, because I'm fcuked otherwise :confused:. I've deliberately put back the sports massage until after I complete my final two sessions this week. The thinking being I'll get some bounce back in the legs. Couple that with a week of easy running and I'll be raring to go on the 23rd. Right?


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I know nothing about this plan, but are those sessions meant to be at MP? If so what advantage is there to running them faster?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I know nothing about this plan, but are those sessions meant to be at MP? If so what advantage is there to running them faster?

    Yeah, supposed to be at MP.
    When I started out, I was optimistically hoping for a 6:29 MP. When I felt that might be slightly too fast, I eased it back to 6:35. That's what I've been aiming for since, but my last few have averaged slightly faster purely because the effort felt about right on most of those runs. It's only the last two that have felt really difficult. That could be down to the other sessions/mileage that envelope them, but I've decided I'll start slightly more conservatively in London to be safe.
    However, having run all these sessions at the current pace throughout the plan, I don't see the point in slowing that down with one session left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭overpronator


    Hay is in the barn now Pete. You've put together a very consistent block, fair play. The only thing you can do now is damage. See you in London.


    Im also fu**ed at the minute btw


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Sounds like your ready to me. I'd be worried if I wasn't knackered at this stage of training. I'll be following with interest and wish you the best of luck. Some of that interest is selfish however - I'm considering this plan for my next marathon, so I'll be interested to hear your assessment of it when the dust has settled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 17/18


    Thought today would be a 'good' day to update the log......:rolleyes:


    Monday 10th April
    8m @ 8:01p/m average (127bpm avg)

    Did this one early again so it would act as recovery for the previous day and give me plenty of time before the strength session on Tuesday evening.


    Tuesday 11th April
    1.5m w/u @ 8:27p/m average (128bpm avg)
    6 x 1m @ 6:19p/m average with 400m recoveries (152bpm)
    1.5m c/d @ 8:20p/m average (129bpm avg)


    The lack of a 'long' run last weekend and the 30+ hour gap between runs seemed to really help me here. After the intial struggle to get up to strength pace from the warm-up, I found this fairly comfortable.


    Wednesday 12th April
    Rest


    Thursday 13th April
    2m w/u @ 7:58p/m average (127bpm avg)
    10m @ 6:32p/m average (151bpm)
    2m c/d @ 7:50p/m average (135bpm avg)


    Did this in the PP at around 6pm. Couldn't believe how empty the place was. Virtually no car traffic and not many pedestrians, runners, cyclists etc. either. A bit weird. Anyway, got this one ticked off as planned. Was wary of doing something stupid at this late stage and made sure not to.


    Friday 14th April
    7m @ 8:27p/m average (126bpm avg)

    Over to St Anne's this morning to run this with DNS crew. Chatted away throughout and it's pretty obvious we made sure not to go too fast. Coffee afterwards, but the AGM had to be postponed due to Murph_D's absence :pac:.



    So that's just about it.
    68.2 miles left to cover to complete the Hansons Marathon Method. 42 of those are at prescribed easy pace, with the final 26.2 not so easy!
    I've really enjoyed this plan and can definitely see the philosophy of the authors. I guess only time will tell how effective it's been.

    Other than the easy miles over the next eight days, the only other thing left to do is get psyched up for the race with some of the book's recommended pre-race tunes :D



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Best of luck Peter, might see you over there. I'm in red GFA start how about you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Best of luck Peter, might see you over there. I'm in red GFA start how about you?

    Yeah, me too. Probably see you at the start. Will definitely see you in the pub :)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Best of luck, interested to hear your thoughts on the plan once the race is done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Well done P great training block best of luck on the day :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    London Marathon - Week 17/18........continued.......



    Just two run of the mill runs to round off the penultimate week.


    Saturday 15th April
    8m @ 7:58p/m average (128bpm avg)

    A loop and a bit around Millstreet to help shake out the legs after yesterday's rub down.


    Sunday 16th April
    8m @ 8:18p/m average (127bpm avg)

    A hillier route this morning, but kept the effort the same. Pace slightly slower.


    Nothing longer than 6 miles now before the race. Won't worry me too much if I can't fit all the runs in. Unlikely to make a difference imo (physically anyway). After less than ideal sleeping during last week, I've logged 22 hours in the past two nights. I'm taking this as a positive sign. Really looking forward to next week.


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