What's the oldest car you saw on the road today?

gammygils

30 year old Merc

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Kaiser D

Those Corollas are worth buying up.

They'll soon go the ways of the DX, fetching crazy money.

nd

regardless of their value imo it's nice to see these various old cars still going on the road.

gammygils

It's only 19

Fred Swanson

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quadrifoglio verde

Saw this around half 1 this morning in navan. Looked in extremely good condition as well.

Old diesel

Mid 1960s Austin Cambridge Estate

95 Vento

89 Carina II

toastedpickles

Seen the gordon bennet rally, i think it speaks for itself, the oldest one that i seen was a 19KE1 god only knows what it was but it had soooooo much brass trim

Arthur Beesley

A red 91 D 5 door Starlet. Faded paint job and bumpers. Hopefully no one on here considers that a classic.

Kaiser D

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

A red 91 D 5 door Starlet. Faded paint job and bumpers. Hopefully no one on here considers that a classic.

A few would, me included.

Well, certainly a car of interest to the regulars of this thread!

quadrifoglio verde

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

A red 91 D 5 door Starlet. Faded paint job and bumpers. Hopefully no one on here considers that a classic.

They will one day.
For me its not the quality of the paintwork that matters, its how it drives that is important. My own gtv is a testament to that, its about three different colours.
However it drives so damn ****ing well especially for an 18 year old car that the paintwork doesn't bother me.
While Id initially planned to fully respray it after the summer, a combination of a badly congested work car park and the fact that I'm salivating after some upgrades for the suspension, it can stay faded red.

Arthur Beesley

Kaiser D wrote: »

A few would, me included.

Well, certainly a car of interest to the regulars of this thread!

I don't get that. To me it is just an old car. A classic needs to have been a good car back in its day, not a cheap mass produced bog standard 5 door hatchback.

Sobanek

A 450SEL 6.9 and a 66 Mustang, both parked at Toughers Garage between Naas and Newbridge.

Old diesel

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

I don't get that. To me it is just an old car. A classic needs to have been a good car back in its day, not a cheap mass produced bog standard 5 door hatchback.

The Starlet WAS a good car* in its day - granted you may not like them - but that doesn't make them a bad car.

BTW - if we adopt your logic to the full - a Mk 2 Escort wouldn't be a classic - just a cheap mass produced saloon - and indeed the Ford Cortina.

And how do you define a "good" car anyway

*it provided simple reliable economical transport - which is what many people want - so a better car for most then a Sierra Cossie or a Porsche

Arthur Beesley

Old diesel wrote: »

The Starlet WAS a good car* in its day - granted you may not like them - but that doesn't make them a bad car.

BTW - if we adopt your logic to the full - a Mk 2 Escort wouldn't be a classic - just a cheap mass produced saloon - and indeed the Ford Cortina.

And how do you define a "good" car anyway

*it provided simple reliable economical transport - which is what many people want - so a better car for most then a Sierra Cossie or a Porsche

So your definition is basically any old car is a classic. Regardless of condition?

Ded_Zebra

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

So your definition is basically any old car is a classic. Regardless of condition?

Not regardless of condition but regardless of the class of the car (super car or city car). IMO what makes a car a classic is the memories that people have of them. if it was on the poster on their wall as a kid, their parents car or their own first car or simply something they admired of liked the shape of.

Arthur Beesley

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

Not regardless of condition but regardless of the class of the car (super car or city car). IMO what makes a car a classic is the memories that people have of them. if it was on the poster on their wall as a kid, their parents car or their own first car or simply something they admired of liked the shape of.

But that means anything can be a classic as long as your parents had one or it wasn't completely crap. My first car was a 2000 Corolla hatchback. Grand car but no way would I consider it a classic in 5 or 10 years.

The point above about being economical family car being a good car and as a result a classic - that just means it isn't a crap car, it meets reasonable expectations, doesn't make it a 'good' car or a classic.

Old diesel

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

But that means anything can be a classic as long as your parents had one or it wasn't completely crap. My first car was a 2000 Corolla hatchback. Grand car but no way would I consider it a classic in 5 or 10 years.

The point above about being economical family car being a good car and as a result a classic - that just means it isn't a crap car, it meets reasonable expectations, doesn't make it a 'good' car or a classic.

My point is - that if you apply your logic a Mk 1 or 2 Escort shouldn't have became a classic - as they were just normal cars at the time - albeit one that achieved great rallying success.

And a Cortina shouldn't be a classic either

We will agree to disagree I think

daveohdave

It's a circular argument really. My stance is it is to go with what the government calls a classic, i.e. 30 years, and anything younger I like is a "future classic". My car is a future classic.

Old diesel

Right what did I see today

87 to 93 era Daihatsu Charade

94/95 Nissan Sunny

Audi Coupe (88 to 96 era)

95 Corolla

94 Audi 80

nd

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porsche959

Old diesel wrote: »

The Starlet WAS a good car* in its day - granted you may not like them - but that doesn't make them a bad car.

It's a mass produced econobox. Not a classic in any way.

Old diesel wrote: »

BTW - if we adopt your logic to the full - a Mk 2 Escort wouldn't be a classic - just a cheap mass produced saloon - and indeed the Ford Cortina.

And they're not, with the exception of special editions like the Escort RS2000 or whatever.

Kaiser D

^

lol :rolleyes:

Old diesel

porsche959 wrote: »

It's a mass produced econobox. Not a classic in any way.



And they're not, with the exception of special editions like the Escort RS2000 or whatever.

How do we decide whats a classic then

Its a subjective thing I know - but regardless of the Mk 2 Escort been a normal runabout car in the late 70s and into the 80s when they were a VERY common sight on the roads.

Id love to hear why you don't consider them a classic now - the money people are willing to pay even for a shell - would tend to suggest otherwise.

And yes I know - some of those shells are/were destined for Rally cars.

But even the rallying heritage would be reason enough for many to class the Mk 2 as a classic.

Now whether its overated by many is another question entirely - but the cars rallying success certainly means that its on many peoples radar as COOL.

You don't agree clearly - which is fine - its opinions which make the world and forums like this fun

Old diesel

Its hard obviously to define perfectly whats a classic - if you go by age - say anything over 30 years old - then a Datsun Stanza is a classic - but a Sierra Cosworth isn't - due to been too new - so the age thing is somewhat flawed.

Going by make and model is also controversial - was a normal Mk 2 Escort a better car then a Carina II - probably not if looked at objectively - yet the Mk 2 is considered a classic (rightly imo due to its Rallying success) but the Carina II isn't afaik

I dare say the fun and games would really start when people start discussing the merits of the Lexus LS 400 as a classic in the coming years.

Some will just look at it as a bland Japanese car.

But it did represent a remarkable achievement by Toyota - as it was a real genuine competitor to BMW 7 series, Jag XJ, Merc S Class etc and really shook up the luxury car market.

As such - it probably should merit classic status in years to come - but the Japanese thing will probably wrongly get in the way - sadly - and wrongly imo

porsche959

Old diesel wrote: »

Its hard obviously to define perfectly whats a classic - if you go by age - say anything over 30 years old - then a Datsun Stanza is a classic - but a Sierra Cosworth isn't - due to been too new - so the age thing is somewhat flawed.

Agreed that age basis alone is flawed.

Old diesel wrote: »

I dare say the fun and games would really start when people start discussing the merits of the Lexus LS 400 as a classic in the coming years.

Some will just look at it as a bland Japanese car.

But it did represent a remarkable achievement by Toyota - as it was a real genuine competitor to BMW 7 series, Jag XJ, Merc S Class etc and really shook up the luxury car market.

As such - it probably should merit classic status in years to come - but the Japanese thing will probably wrongly get in the way - sadly - and wrongly imo

I would argue Lexus LS 400 first generation is already a classic.

Old diesel

porsche959 wrote: »

Agreed that age basis alone is flawed.




I would argue Lexus LS 400 first generation is already a classic.

It certainly deserves to be one that's for sure

davycc

Back on topic :P I seen a beautiiful Merc e300TD w123 estate in Tesco carpark ZV plates but prob an early 80s car .. Orangey colour IIRC with red ZV reg plate.


looked classy as feck:D