Tipping

LasTime

It’s just another unnecessary thing for everyone to waste time worrying about. Isn’t it just another way of making things personal? In my opinion, enough things in life are personal without having to worry about potential miss-understandings when you’re on your lunch-break. If the restaurants are paying the waitresses poorly, then the waitresses shouldn’t try to pass there loss onto the customers. If the waitress has a tough time raising three kids on a low salary, then that’s not the customers’ responsibility.

What’s the point in someone being polite to you if they’re only doing it for your money. The nicer they are to you, the more it reminds me of how they’d just discard you if they knew they wouldn’t get your money. And I hate the way everyone makes it out to be a hard job. They say stuff like ‘oh you have to pay the restaurant 10% of what your assumed daily gratuity will be’ and that they get paid less than minimum wage(which they often don’t as far as I know). In reality, it’s a reasonably easy job. I worked two jobs in the states, one of which was waiting tables. It was a lot less physically draining and paid a lot better(due to tips with $11/hr) than the other job I had.

So assuming you don’t have a disposable amount of income; then there is no reason to tip a complete stranger you’re never going to see again AFTER they’ve given the service. It’s their bloody job. If americans stopped tipping, then it would disencourage people from applying for this job.. and instead, they’d have to go out and do something that’s actually necessary for the economy. It’s one of those job positions which society will never be in short supply of… like hair dressers!!!

MadsL

Here's a tip, don't start another tipping thread, they rarely end well.

wazky

Tip cows instead, much better craic altogether.

LasTime

MadsL wrote: »

Here's a tip, don't start another tipping thread, they rarely end well.

I haven't seen a tipping thread yet.

TeddyTedson

I'd tip if I was happy with the service. It can really make a difference in a restaurant for example if the waiter is having a little bit of banter with you, especially on a date

Obviously don't tip crap service. Maybe not even average, who knows.

Wabbit Ears

Tldr, So Cow tipping eh? I dont think its really possible

AnonoBoy

Paging Steve Buscemi......

Paging Steve Buscemi.....

That's Steve Buscemi to the tipping thread please.

Thank you.

LasTime

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd tip if I was happy with the service. It can really make a difference in a restaurant for example if the waiter is having a little bit of banter with you, especially on a date

Obviously don't tip crap service. Maybe not even average, who knows.

In America, it's usually 5-10% for bad service and 20% for excellent

wazky

LasTime wrote: »

In America, it's usually 5-10% for bad service and 20% for excellent

As Mr Pink said, why tip bad serivce?

LasTime

wazky wrote: »

As Mr Pink said, why tip bad serivce?

Mr Pink?

MadsL

LasTime wrote: »

I haven't seen a tipping thread yet.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86584855
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85663345
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85576675
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84816650
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84878496
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82318395
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82347354
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82073122
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77334545
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76882322
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76022326
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80771414

...but in fairness that's just since you joined boards. Best give it another lash, we don't discuss it nearly enough...

shruikan2553

wazky wrote: »

As Mr Pink said, why tip bad serivce?

The idea is a low tip lets them know they are bad while if you dont leave a tip they'll think youre an asshole who doesnt feel sorry for them having a low paid job.

Wabbit Ears

Ah Jaysus, If you dont get the Mr Pink reference how are we supposed to believe you have an informed opinion on anything?

AnonoBoy

LasTime wrote: »

Mr Pink?

Paging Steve Buscemi.....
Paging Steve Buscemi.....

TeddyTedson

Mr. White surely

Honey-ec

LasTime wrote: »

In America, it's usually 5-10% for bad service and 20% for excellent

We're not in America.

LasTime

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Paging Steve Buscemi.....
Paging Steve Buscemi.....

What'd Steve Buscemi got to do with tipping?

MadsL

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Obviously don't tip crap service

Unless they are a toilet attendant, obviously.





Yeah, well I'm getting me coat aren't I?

MadsL

Honey-ec wrote: »

We're not in America.

Speak for yourself....

biko

LasTime wrote: »

What’s the point in someone being polite to you if they’re only doing it for your money.

That's how I make, and keep, friends.

lkionm

Just give them some of your change if they are hot or are nice.



After hours is just a circle of threads. There will be a dole thread tomorrow

lkionm

MadsL wrote: »

Unless they are a toilet attendant, obviously.





Yeah, well I'm getting me coat aren't I?

Imagine all the crap they see.



Will you pick up my jacket as well. I'm already outside

MadsL

That was a crappy joke...







I have your coat already, knew you would be along...

Mr.McLovin

its not America argument - translates to - i'm a mean bastard who has never had to do a shít job

Artful_Badger

wazky wrote: »

Tip cows instead, much better craic altogether.

No craic to be had tipping cows as you cant actually tip cows.

lkionm

MadsL wrote: »

That was a crappy joke...







I have your coat already, knew you would be along...

Thanks.

I suppose we better run or go out explosively?

lkionm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

No craic to be had tipping cows as you cant actually tip cows.

I tip them on the shoulder and ask how you mooing

rubadub

LasTime wrote: »

They say stuff like ‘oh you have to pay the restaurant 10% of what your assumed daily gratuity will be’ and that they get paid less than minimum wage(which they often don’t as far as I know).

There was some sort of a US federal law passed a while ago so if anybody does not get paid minimum wage from their combined low wage & tips then the employer must make up the difference. So really nobody is working below minimum wage so its no longer a valid excuse.

Some states might be exempt but I think its the case in most.

retalivity

i dont mind tipping for food. an extra tenner on top of 100 quid for a decent meal, no problem.

What I do mind is having a minimum which must be tipped regardless of service otherwise you ar questioned on it (where I am in canada you tip at least the tax - 13%)
I also hate tipping for drinks.

Honey-ec

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

its not America argument - translates to - i'm a mean bastard who has never had to do a shít job

I was referring to the OP's point that it's somehow still expected to tip for shit service. In Ireland, it's not.

I tip 10% as standard, unless the service was particularly muck. They're getting nowt then.

Artful_Badger

I don't tip generally speaking, I find it kinda stupid that people would expect you to pay extra for a service that's already included in the cost of the food.

rubadub

I don't see why a waiter should get €10 for opening a €100 bottle of wine, and just €1.50 for a €15 bottle. Do they really deserve €8.50 more.

Artful_Badger

rubadub wrote: »

I don't see why a waiter should get €10 for opening a €100 bottle of wine, and just €1.50 for a €15 bottle. Do they really deserve €8.50 more.

Why should they deserve anything if you're buying a 100 euro bottle of fcukin wine ? They should be tipping you in the form of a discount for spending so much money to try get you back.

LasTime

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

its not America argument - translates to - i'm a mean bastard who has never had to do a shít job

Well actually the people who haven't had to do **** jobs will proabaly have more money to throw around.

Also.. make an effort to write better

MadsL

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I don't tip generally speaking, I find it kinda stupid that people would expect you to pay extra for a service that's already included in the cost of the food.

Except that the cost of the food does not include the cost of the service unless it is clearly noted on the menu.

gobnaitolunacy

MadsL wrote: »

Unless they are a toilet attendant, obviously.





Yeah, well I'm getting me coat aren't I?

None of them offered to wipe, so they don't get a tip from me.

MadsL

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

None of them offered to wipe, so they don't get a tip from me.

Don't get a tip or just the tip?

Artful_Badger

MadsL wrote: »

Except that the cost of the food does not include the cost of the service unless it is clearly noted on the menu.

Of course it does. It would be impossible to run a business without factoring service into the cost paid by the customer. You pay a tenner for a main course you're paying a tenner for it to be cooked, plated and laid in front of you.

Mr.McLovin

LasTime wrote: »

Well actually the people who haven't had to do **** jobs will proabaly have more money to throw around.

Also.. make an effort to write better

they usually tip the least


also... I'll type how I want

call_me_early

i will leave a modest euro coin if ive had coffee in a pub or café if the service was good

Crooked Jack

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

its not America argument - translates to - i'm a mean bastard who has never had to do a shít job

No it doesn't. It translates to - it's not the social norm here.
And thank fuck it isn't. Why should the customer be asked to pay someone for something they've already been paid for? Why is that gratuity only extended to certain businesses? Why is the customer automatically labeled as stingy and not the shitty, slave labour boss?
If someone has been particularly helpful I might leave them something extra, otherwise, not a hope. And if it's in a place where such a gratuity is expected, regardless of service, I'd make a point of leaving nothing.

And believe me, I've worked some of the shittiest jobs you can imagine and never expected a tip.

AnonoBoy

LasTime wrote: »

What'd Steve Buscemi got to do with tipping?

I am the only one around here who watches movie films?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

Crooked Jack

MadsL wrote: »

Except that the cost of the food does not include the cost of the service unless it is clearly noted on the menu.

That can't be right. I've never seen this in any Irish restaurant.

Santa Cruz

wazky wrote: »

Tip cows instead, much better craic altogether.

or the local quare one!

Mr.McLovin

Crooked Jack wrote: »

No it doesn't. It translates to - it's not the social norm here.
And thank fuck it isn't. Why should the customer be asked to pay someone for something they've already been paid for? Why is that gratuity only extended to certain businesses? Why is the customer automatically labeled as stingy and not the shitty, slave labour boss?
If someone has been particularly helpful I might leave them something extra, otherwise, not a hope. And if it's in a place where such a gratuity is expected, regardless of service, I'd make a point of leaving nothing.

And believe me, I've worked some of the shittiest jobs you can imagine and never expected a tip.

Well you are entitled to your opinion but for me if i'm in a bar and I buy a round of drinks and its dropped down quickly and with a smile letting somebody keep the change isn't exactly crippling the finances and you will also find the next round is often given preference by your waiter/waitress the next time the round is due, its win/win imo

Mr.McLovin

Honey-ec wrote: »

I was referring to the OP's point that it's somehow still expected to tip for shit service. In Ireland, it's not.

I tip 10% as standard, unless the service was particularly muck. They're getting nowt then.

sorry it wasn't a dig at you just the argument, I hadn't even seen your post when I typed that

I totally agree with bad service - no tip too

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

That can't be right. I've never seen this in any Irish restaurant.

Need to step up from the chipper and Supermacs :pac:

http://www.salamanca.ie/Menu.html

Service Charge Not Included

http://www.pastafresca.ie/system/menus/1/original/pasta.fresca.lunch.pdf

Gratuity is discretional and is distributed entirely to the team that has served you today. There is a service charge of 12% added to the tables of 6 or more. Otherwise a service charge is not included in your bill.

http://www.dobbins.ie/restaurant/menu.html

10% Service Charge Will Be Added to your Final Bill

MadsL

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

Well you are entitled to your opinion but for me if i'm in a bar and I buy a round of drinks and its dropped down quickly and with a smile letting somebody keep the change isn't exactly crippling the finances and you will also find the next round is often given preference by your waiter/waitress the next time the round is due, its win/win imo

I used to hate the fact that the very same people who would be all "keep the change" in front of their mates in the pub, would then be the ones making you root through change on a freezing cold night, with rain dripping off the back of the helmet down my neck so they could get their 20p change on a twenty quid pizza order.

I made a point of letting at least a quids worth of heat out of the house and 15 degrees of heat loss out of the pizza before I found the 20p.

Artful_Badger

MadsL wrote: »

Need to step up from the chipper and Supermacs :pac:

http://www.salamanca.ie/Menu.html



http://www.pastafresca.ie/system/menus/1/original/pasta.fresca.lunch.pdf



http://www.dobbins.ie/restaurant/menu.html

Thats just stating a service charge is added to the bill (which I've only encountered in the tourist heavy areas). It doesn't mean that if its not stated that the business isnt accounting for the cost of service. Which is the case is the majority of places I've been and not just the chippers.

Its kinda of a given here in Ireland where there is no expectation of a tip to cover service that the cost of the food on the menu covers the cost of the meal as a whole unless stated otherwise.

rubadub

MadsL wrote: »

Need to step up from the chipper and Supermacs :pac:

http://www.salamanca.ie/Menu.html



http://www.pastafresca.ie/system/menus/1/original/pasta.fresca.lunch.pdf



http://www.dobbins.ie/restaurant/menu.html

I'd be pretty certain the other 2 posters who said you were wrong have seen things like that on menus.

Your quote was

MadsL wrote: »

Except that the cost of the food does not include the cost of the service unless it is clearly noted on the menu.

I would agree with the others that this is wrong. Perhaps its just your wording. Your examples are showing the cost of food DOES include the cost of service, unless noted on menus.

Tiddlypeeps

MadsL wrote: »

I made a point of letting at least a quids worth of heat out of the house and 15 degrees of heat loss out of the pizza before I found the 20p.

I HATE when delivery drivers deliberately spend ages shuffling through their pockets for your change in an attempt to make you uncomfortable enough to just say keep it. Some taxi drivers try to pull it as well. I used to be a delivery driver myself so I know well how easy it is to have change ready for a person.

If it's really close to a round number I'll just say keep the change an not think anything of it, but if it's gonna be at all awkward and they try to pull this crap I'll stand and wait for every last penny.