Formula 1 2013: Round 15 - Japanese Grand Prix

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Haven't been on here too much lately, fairly bust with MotoGP at the minute but I threw together a quick intro for this weekend's race.

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A goal without a plan is a wish....every team and driver has a goal is to win races and win the title but over the course of the last five years no team or driver has been able to execute any plan with any reasonable consistency to beat Sebastian Vettel. Throughout Vettel's four year reign of title dominance the goal of winning a title has become an ever greater wish for the likes of Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso.

Both drivers are at the top of their game yet, whether through their own mistakes or machinery issues, they have consistently not been able to match Vettel. This season was no different. While many will point to the change in Pirelli tyres mid-season as the turning point of the 2013 campaign it must be recognised that Red Bull have had the most balanced race car throughout the season.

The honour of the fastest outright car has once again fallen elsewhere but with overtaking much easier in contemporary Formula 1 and races requiring multiple pit-stops having the fastest car over a single lap has been less of a benefit than would traditionally be the case. Whereas Red Bull have consistently been able to maximise their package in recent months, usually with race wins, the rest of the field has found a way to trip over themselves and squander points.

Whether it is through reliability issues, driver mistakes or bad strategy we have consistently seen Ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes drivers fall off the pace during a Grand Prix while Red Bull and Vettel have continued imperiously towards victory. Those victories have left Vettel on the verge of winning a fourth consecutive world title which has now become inevitable.

The Suzuka Circuit

The Honda owned Suzuka circuit is a favourite for many of the drivers. Its blend of fast and flowing corners provides a unique technical challenge to the field and one that requires a balanced setup that is difficult to find. You need a car that can quickly change direction but you also need one that is stable. You need good acceleration to drive the car out of the hairpin and chicane...but you also need a high top speed for the long straights.

Nico Rosberg, winner of this year's Monaco and British Grand Prix, is looking forward to this weekend's race in front of the passionate Japanese fans:

"Suzuka is one of the most exciting circuits of the year and I love racing there," said Rosberg. " The Japanese fans are always very enthusiastic which is fantastic and I look forward to seeing them again. I would love to get the deserved good result that has eluded us for the last few races and I know that everyone has been working really hard to achieve that."

The track surface cambers throughout the lap to provide extra grip for the drivers but the instant that a driver goes offline they are heavily punished. With the opening half of the lap seeing one corner lead into another if you are offline at one corner it can have a negative impact for the next number of corners.

Being consistent at Suzuka is as much about being patient as it is about being aggressive. A driver needs to be smooth through the snaking opening half of the lap through the Suzuka Snake whereas in the second half of the lap, with the likes of Spoon Curve and 130R, a driver needs to be brave and more aggressive in pitching the car into the corner.

Lewis Hamilton won his first Japanese Grand Prix, the 2007 edition at Fuji, but the Englishman is yet to win at Suzuka. He has finished fifth for the last three years but it has done little to dampen his enthusiasm about the race track:

"Suzuka is one of the few circuits we have left in Formula One with the authenticity of a real old-school circuit," said the 2008 world champion. "I drove there for the first time in 2009 and it takes a while to pick up pace each year because of how fast-flowing it is. If you touch the grass at any point, it's going to spin you off into the wall, so it's a much more demanding circuit in terms of precision, positioning and turning points for each corner. It's a real race track where you have to think ahead as a driver and it just needs crazy levels of downforce from the car. From my point of view, the car felt fantastic to drive in Korea when everything was hooked up, so I am excited to get to Japan and see what we can do there."

Remi Taffin, Renault's head of track operations, also spoke about the challenges facing power plants this weekend:

"Suzuka is one of the favourite tracks for drivers, and it's easy to see why," said the Frenchman. "We see every type of corner there: high speed sections and radial turns, esses, hairpins and gradient changes. Engines therefore need to deliver across the entire power spectrum without sacrificing driveability and responsiveness. The high speed corners such as the Esses also subject the internals of the engine and lubricant systems to high lateral G-forces - it's a very thorough workout for the RS27 so we will use fresh engines here."

Formula 1's title town

Since 1987 Formula 1 has been racing at Suzuka and it has played host to numerous title deciders. Gerhard Berger was the first victor but the 87 race also decided the world champion with Williams' teammates Nigel Mansell and Nelson Piquet fighting for the crown. A heavy practice crash for Mansell forced to miss the race through injury and the title was decided in Nelson Piquet's favour before the green light on Sunday.

The historical standing of the Japanese Grand Prix as an end of season race has meant that it has played host to some of the most famous title deciders of the last 25 years. Following Piquet's coronation in 1987 the title was decided at Suzuka for the following four years with Ayrton Senna winning his first title in 1988.

The most famous title deciders in F1 history occurred at Suzuka for the following two years with Senna and Alain Prost providing the fireworks. In 1989 the clash between Senna and Alain Prost has long passed into racing folklore. The McLaren teammate's had been locked in a fight throughout the 53 lap race with Prost in front and Senna giving chase. In the closing stages Senna's pace was such that he was able to close the gap to the race leader but catching Prost would be far easier than actually overtaking him. Having raced tooth and nail all season, generally with Prost yielding to avoid a crash, the Frenchman had decided that should they be in close company in Japan he would not yield.

This approach meant that the clash with seven laps remaining was almost inevitable. Senna dived down the inside into the chicane from and Prost, as was his right, took the racing line and with Senna barrelling down the inside a collision was inevitable. Prost retired on the spot but Senna was push started by the marshals' and continued. The McLaren had broken his front wing however and a pit-stop would relegate him to third at the flag but still in the championship race....for a couple of hours.

The FIA penalised Senna for taking a short cut when he resumed the race and he was disqualified. Prost had won his third world title but his toxic relationship with Senna was not perfectly clear to everyone and the following season he moved to Ferrari. The move to the Italian squad came with success and in 1990 he went to Suzuka still in title contention but with his archrival in front of the title chase.

Having qualified on pole position Senna's grid slot was inexplicably moved from the racing line to the other side of the grid. The penalty was such that Senna knew that he would lose the lead at the start of the race, offline has always been very dusty at Suzuka, and with his persecution complex on overdrive the Brazilian had pre-emptively decided that he would win his second title that day at Suzuka.

At the first corner, having lost the lead at the start, Senna went for "a gap" at the first corner and attempted to pass Prost. In reality there was no gap and there was never any opportunity for the move to end in anything but a double retirement for the sport's superstars. Of course for Senna the retirements brought with them the title but the famous commentary from Murray Walker said it all, "It's happened already!"

Japan and Suzuka was a microcosm of Senna's career. It was where he had his greatest triumphs but also his greatest controversies. The passion that he elicited in Japan is still readily seen today and the fans took him as their hero almost to the same degree as Brazilians...although in a much more understated Japanese style of worship! The Brazilian won all three of his world titles at Suzuka and having raced with Honda power for much of his career he always showed a kinship to the country.

The next title decided at Suzuka was Damon Hill's 96 crown before Mika Hakkinen, like Senna, claimed his world titles for McLaren at Suzuka. The Finn won the 1998 and 1999 to defeat Michael Schumacher and Eddie Irvine to the crown. The strain of trying to win back to back titles had been clear for much of the season on Hakkinen but his ability to come through in the close to claim the title had to be applauded.

While Schumacher had been beaten by Hakkinen to the 98 crown he would finally end the title drought in Maranello in 2000 by winning at Suzuka and defeating Hakkinen in the title fight. The victory brought an end to 21 years without a Ferrari title but also was the culmination five years of hard work by Schumacher, Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne. The quartet had come together and having been woefully off the pace in 1996 had made huge strides in the intervening years and seen Ferrari contend for the title from 1997 onwards. Schumacher's relief at finally winning the title was clear but with the start of his five year title run Formula 1 was set to well and truly enter the "Schumacher Era" which also included another Suzuka title clincher in 2003.

Sebastian Vettel won his second title at Suzuka after finishing a close third to Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso. The German can claim his fourth title this weekend but it would take some fortune on his part to clinch the title on Sunday. Even so with such a comfortable title lead he can now ease his way towards the title.

Rookies looking forward to racing at Suzuka

Valtteri Bottas and Giedo van der Garde both took part in FP1 last season at Suzuka but none of this year's crop of Formula 1 rookies have raced at Suzuka before.

Whereas in the past drivers-Eddie Irvine, Mika Salo, Heinz-Harold Frentzen and Pedro de la Rosa-came through the proving grounds of Formula Nippon the Japanese championship has long lost its lustre. No longer a series filled with international drivers it has become a national championship that cannot compete with GP2. This has meant that drivers turn up at Suzuka faced with the unenviable task of having to learn the challenging circuit on Friday.

Even so it is a task that each of the drivers will relish this weekend and listening to Bottas and van der Garde's comments about their experiences last year it is clear that Friday will be an eye opener for the newcomers!

"I drove in FP1 last year and Suzuka immediately became my favourite track because of the high speed and the special corner combinations," commented Bottas. "Sector 1 is especially fun to drive because it is a bit like a rollercoaster with its quick changes in elevation.

The fans also make this a special race; they are very supportive and there are a lot of fans who support Finnish drivers. It can be difficult to overtake on this track so doing well in qualifying will be important, but the weather can be quite variable so that can open up opportunities to play with the strategy."

For van der Garde it was a similar experience last year but the Dutchman is also looking forward to sampling Japan, something he admitted to not being able to do last year:

“This will be my first full Grand Prix in Japan but not my first time on track at Suzuka after I did 22 laps in FP1 last year. I have to say I’m pretty excited about getting back to Suzuka, and Japan in general as it was a place I really enjoyed in 2012. On track it’s clearly one of the best challenges we have all year.

"It’s a proper drivers’ circuit with more medium and high speed corners than most modern tracks, and you need to be a bit brave to really attack around the whole lap.

“Last year I didn’t have a chance to go to Tokyo and I promised myself I’d see the capital city this year so my physio Carlos and I are heading there straight from Korea for a couple of days before we take the Bullet Train down to Suzuka."

At Korea Esteban Gutierrez made it through to Q3 for the second race in a row and the Mexican looks much more confident on low fuel now compared to earlier in the season. Maximising the car in race conditions though is still a problem but some of his inability to convert eighth position on the grid in Korea into a points finish can be attributed to being caught up in Felipe Massa's opening lap spin.

The Sauber driver dropped to 14th position at the end of the opening lap as a result and therefore faced a difficult day to move back into points contention. Finishing 11th was a solid performance but he needs to build on that in the final races of the season.

Speaking about racing at Suzuka for the first time the rookie is clearly excited to finally drive a circuit that he knows only from video footage:

“Suzuka is a circuit I always wanted to drive," said Gutierrez. "I know it very well from all the onboard footage that I’ve watched, and I know the track from last year when I went with the team to the GP. It’s an interesting track with a lot of fast corners and it’s quite technical too. I can already say it will be one of my most favourites. I’m looking forward to going to Japan again. The fans are amazing, they know a lot about Formula One, and they even knew me last year when I was the reserve and test driver. It’s a great atmosphere, there is a good energy, and seeing the fans so passionate about the sport motivates me too.”

At Marussia both drivers are faced with the task of learning the track but both are looking forward to the challenge. Jules Bianchi and Max Chilton will both race this weekend with their futures secure, both remaining with Marussia, and it should allow them to relax and drive freely.

In Korea both drivers were penalised for different infractions and it was in many ways a sloppy weekend for the team. An FP1 crash for reserve driver, Rudolfo Gonzalez, put Bianchi somewhat behind the eight ball but his needless qualifying penalty, for holding up di Resta, was a major blot on his copy book. The Frenchman has had a strong debut season and Korea was one of the few black marks against him.

“I am very much looking forward to my first experience of racing here at Suzuka," said Bianchi." It is a track that is associated with some of the greatest moments in Formula 1 history and racing here will be one of the highlights of my debut season, regardless of the outcome. It is also a real test of car and driver with some fantastic corners, which I have only ever been able to sample on the simulator until now. I think that rain is possible early in the weekend, which should make life interesting - much like some of the big moments I saw here when I was growing up - but I think it may be dry later on, which will enable us to keep pushing for our season objective. I love Japan and have spent the past few days training and relaxing in Tokyo, which has been good fun. I can’t wait to be driving in front of the incredible fans here on Sunday.”

On the other side of the garage Chilton was solid in Korea but a penalty behind the safety car was careless although his pace in the race was generally quite respectable. Ahead of this weekend the Englishman will be looking to emulate some of his childhood memories this weekend:

“It’s great to be back in Japan and to finally get the opportunity to race at the Suzuka Circuit. I came straight here from Korea so I would have the opportunity to explore a little more because there are so many fantastic things to experience here," said Chilton. "This will be another new challenge and one that I have been looking forward to because it is such a technical circuit and because of all the history attached to it. I have been inspired by some of the great battles I have watched here over the years. The fans are also pretty special, both in and out of the circuit. Seeing them camped outside the drivers’ hotel is quite something, never mind the reception we get when we’re out on track. I hope we can race to a strong two-car finish again - and hopefully with less attrition up ahead.”

Compromise needed at Suzuka

The challenge at Suzuka is to find the balance between the different corner types. The circuit is made up of fast, flowing sections that lead into one another punctuated by a slow corner, the hairpin and the chicane, so you need a car that is stable braking from high speed but also one that allows a driver to stand on the throttle and accelerate out of the corner.

Xevi Pujolar, Williams chief engineer, talked about the track layout and the effect that it has on car setup:

"Suzuka is a unique old-style circuit featuring a trademark figure-of-eight layout, with the back straight passing over the front section via an overpass," said Pujolar. "It's a challenging circuit for the cars and drivers with an above average level of overtaking, predominantly due to drivers making mistakes. Sector 1 is dominated by the level of downforce and fuel loads, whilst Sector 3 is dominated by drag. The layout leads to high average corner speeds, second only to Silverstone, as well as high average overall speed and power sensitivity.

"This also leads to high energy input into the tyres, which along with the circuit roughness can lead to tyre wear problems. Last year new storm water drainage systems were installed around the newly surfaced part of the track, and this may come in handy this year as, although the chance of rain is low, Tropical Storm DANAS is currently heading towards Japan and is expected to skirt the coastline over the next few days. It should pass through the area prior to qualifying and the race, but there is a chance that its direction and speed may not be as forecast."

Sauber's Tom McCullough spoke about finding a compromise in the setup to balance the very different requirements of the sectors of the lap. By its nature this compromise means that the car is perfect for neither section of the track but providing a driver with confidence to push is the most critical aspect:

“Suzuka is one of the most technically challenging circuits for both drivers and engineers. Knowing the best places to compromise is very important, and this is the case particularly in the first sector, as one corner leads straight into the next with multiple changes of direction. It is important to give the driver confidence in the car so that he can get into a good rhythm. The majority of the corners are medium to high speed, with only two slow speed corners per lap. The fantastic circuit and enthusiasm of the local fans makes it one of the most enjoyable races of the season. The nature of the track makes it hard on the tyres so Pirelli is bringing its most durable compounds - the medium and hard. Overtaking is not easy, so again we will focus on a strong qualifying to give ourselves the best chance of scoring points.”

Formula 1 revolves around Pirelli tyre

Pirelli once again came under fire in Korea with numerous drivers suffering severe tyre problems and Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso hitting out the Italian manufacturer over the course of the weekend.

Paul Hembery, Pirelli's motorsport manager, will be hoping that this weekend the focus will be on track rather than on his product. Pirelli will take their hardest compounds to the race in a hope to offset the abrasive nature of the high-load Suzuka circuit:

"Suzuka is one of the circuits where we experience the highest rates of wear and degradation all year: because of the relatively abrasive surface and most of all because of the high-energy loadings that are going through the tyres. That's why we've nominated the two hardest compounds in our range to take to Suzuka this year. It's not all about the fast corners though as there are also some heavy braking areas and tighter corners.

"So it's a high-demand circuit when it comes to lateral energy but relatively low-demand in terms of traction, because the layout is very flowing with one corner sequencing into another. Strategy is set to play an important role once more - this was a two-stop race last year, when we nominated the soft and the hard compounds - and Suzuka is a circuit that all the drivers enjoy because of the high speeds. Japan is all about raw speed: and the tyres we have selected for this weekend should enable the drivers to showcase that in front of the amazing Japanese fans."

Jordan 199

The Suzuka Circuit is one of my favourites on the F1 calender. I love the way the track drops before going into the first corner, which is banked. Then going uphill through the esses...

Here's a vid of David Coulthard, Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Eddie Irvine, Jean Alesi, and Michael Schumacher, each doing a qualifying lap of Suzuka in 1995.

Bugatti

Jordan 191 wrote: »

The Suzuka Circuit is one of my favourites on the F1 calender. I love the way the track drops before going into the first corner, which is banked. Then going uphill through the esses...

Remember Irvine back in 1997 (I think) absolutely dominating the esses and making a number of top over-taking moves in that section. Love this circuit! Hopefully someone can challenge Vettel this weekend. We're long overdue an exciting battle for a win.

Myrddin

Bugatti wrote: »

Hopefully someone can challenge Vettel this weekend. We're long overdue an exciting battle for a win.

It's a high downforce track, so chances are the Red Bull will be strong here as usual.

ZiabR

Amazing track. I was at Spa this year but Suzuka is right up there with the best tracks in F1. Long may it stay on the calendar.

Jordan 199

I'll be keeping a close eye on the Hulkenberg this weekend. He was very fast coming out of the corners last weekend. The Sauber has a well planted back end.

Not great in the twisty bits though, can't see them having great laptimes tbh.

SnowDrifts

Lewis asked if Sunday is going to be about tyre management and responds with a nod - "as always".

Such a shame one of the best tracks of the year and the rest of the tracks are no longer attacked and driven flat out over the course of a race. I feel sorry for new fans who never got to see real races in the 90s and 00s. Drivers used to get out of cars sweating after pushing close to the limit for an entire race. And next year will be fuel conservation aswell as tyres. Who are these baboons in the FIA ruining our sport..

Remember the turbo days when they used to run with it ready to explode the entire time?

oceanman

yeah the idiot rule makers have the spot ruined alright, you have to go back many years to remember real F1 racing..

Jordan 199

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Remember the turbo days when they used to run with it ready to explode the entire time?

The drivers would turn up the boost during qualifying and have the boost reduced for the race to preserve the engine.

Jordan 191

Jordan 191 wrote: »

The drivers would turn up the boost during qualifying and have the boost reduced for the race to preserve the engine.

And turn it up to defend or overtake and leave it down otherwise. Driving flat-out is a very rare thing in F1.

Sky whinging about the fine for Williams for the tyre not being attached. Make it $1million and instant disqualification for the weekend and if it's during the race DQ for the next race too. I wonder how often it would happen then.

Jordan 199

Deleted User wrote: »

And turn it up to defend or overtake and leave it down otherwise. Driving flat-out is a very rare thing in F1.

Yeah that's true. The driver would adjust the boost accordingly.

In the 1987 Nigel Mansell had the boost right up for six laps towards the end of the British GP so he could catch and overtake Nelson Piquet. Mansell broke the lap record 11 times in that race.

Mansell overtaking Piquet at the 1987 British GP.

Jordan 199

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Sky whinging about the fine for Williams for the tyre not being attached. Make it $1million and instant disqualification for the weekend and if it's during the race DQ for the next race too. I wonder how often it would happen then.

Yeah, I saw the wheel coming off the Williams yesterday. I thought the cars were to have wheel tethers to stop them coming off.

Jordan 191

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Yeah that's true. The driver would adjust the boost accordingly.

In the 1987 Nigel Mansell had the boost right up for six laps towards the end of the British GP so he could catch and overtake Nelson Piquet. Mansell broke the lap record 11 times in that race.

Mansell overtaking Piquet at the 1987 British GP.

Exactly, and they were the golden years (tm).
FFS look at the last couple of years posts, and I'm as guilty as anyone, when we lookin back at the apparently constant flat-out driving during the Schumacher dominance era.

I still maintain that apart from Vettel/Red Bull dominance the main problem isn't to do with tyres, it's just down to how much coverage there is of everything now. Everything is analysed and reported on til saturation. Classic F1 highlights are fun. Then you wikipedia it. Then you read a little more. Next time ya see it ya realise how inevitable it was.

That slow-mo of the Marussia reminded me of me playing Formula 1 97.

I'm up at 6am in October which means I'm seeing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgiBkydMW8k

GarIT

McLarens definitely have torque control. Revs were bouncing coming out of the last corner.

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

McLarens definitely have torque control. Revs were bouncing coming out of the last corner.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

I told Esteban to stop after the 5th burrito, there's no talking to the lad.

Jordan 191

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Yeah, I saw the wheel coming off the Williams yesterday. I thought the cars were to have wheel tethers to stop them coming off.

Tethers go to the rims I think, if the tyres isn't on properly then there's not much can be done.



Massa just held up Maldonado massively. Not sure what his game is at this stage.

Jordan 199

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I told Esteban to stop after the 5th burrito, there's no talking to the lad.

LOL. Things did get heated in the Sauber garage.

****sake, just as Hulk was doing a lovely lap one of the stupid teams (I'm adding them) **** it up for everyone. Hulk should be in that Red Bull next year ahead of Ricciardo.

Do they not have Carbon Dioxide fire extinguishers in East Asia?

Vergne, Sutil and stupid teams out in Q1.

Who was the blonde in the Force India garage?

Ghost Train

I don't the term "stupid teams", fair enough if you don't like them but don't see why it makes them stupid

Nice lively end to Q3

Jordan 199

Max Chilton :eek:

Ghost Train

Ghost Train wrote: »

I don't the term "stupid teams", fair enough if you don't like them but don't see why it makes them stupid

Nice lively end to Q3

I would use a stronger word but it's not PC. I defended them for a few years, at this stage it's just ****ing pathetic tbh, still 1.4 slower than Sutil who's nearly going through the motions at this stage.

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Ghost Train

Kers problem for Vettel
Possible penalty for Webber,
Wouldn't mind seeing Redbull pushed down a bit, mix things up for the race

About time Mark!

_rebelkid

Lotus's seem quick, Red Bull's seem normal. Would be nice for Seb to have some KERS issues tomorrow, make him work for the championship.

Cookie_Monster

where's the multicolour crane gone

_rebelkid

Pic gets drive-through penalty before the race

Torqay

To me it looks like Alonso has given up, not just on the season but probably on Ferrari as well. Wouldn't be too surprised if he ended up with Lotus or McLaren next year.

Myrddin

Torqay wrote: »

To me it looks like Alonso has given up, not just on the season but probably on Ferrari as well. Wouldn't be too surprised if he ended up with Lotus or McLaren next year.

I get the same feeling, it's just next year is such a change there's no real idea whether he'd be better off staying put or moving on. If things were staying the same next year re regulations etc, I think he'd have done well to move on...he's devoted 4 years to them now & consistently they fall behind in the latter half of the season & the title just creeps away every time. But with the changes coming, there's no basis of judgment really on what call to make

Torqay

Well, if Ferrari want to race with two top class drivers they better have a car so superior that it can compensate for the unavoidable clashes. The last time they dunnit (Prost/Mansell) it didn't go too well.

They all start from scratch next year, but I have a feeling that Renault will have the best engine. They've committed a huge budget and supply engines to five teams next season. I'm sure Alonso has great interest in that Lotus cockpit.

lolie

James Allen interview with Murray Walker on the bbc red button channel now, celebrating his 90th birthday looking back through his career.
Repeated tonight at 9.50 on same channel

KillerShamrock

Hmm might actually get up for this in the morning was loosing faith in the season as a whole after the last few races, but the potential for some chaos out of the first 2 rows looks like it could be interesting! I hope RB aren't complete a__holes and let them race as best as possible instead of turning to Webber and saying let himself through. maybe grosjean will revert to habits of old and take vettle out on the first corner.
Unless the BBC inadvertently predicted the rest of the season with that clip at the start of qualy that would be something else ha ha

Myrddin

Richie6904 wrote: »

Hmm might actually get up for this in the morning was loosing faith in the season as a whole after the last few races, but the potential for some chaos out of the first 2 rows looks like it could be interesting! I hope RB aren't complete a__holes and let them race as best as possible instead of turning to Webber and saying let himself through. maybe grosjean will revert to habits of old and take vettle out on the first corner.
Unless the BBC inadvertently predicted the rest of the season with that clip at the start of qualy that would be something else ha ha

If I was a cynical man I'd say Webbers pit stop will be where he loses the lead, assuming he retains the lead after the first few bends etc. Vettel will have slipstream behind him so it'll be a tall ask to keep him behind I think

KillerShamrock

I agree with your sceptical side to be honest but there is always hope

Jordan 199

Torqay wrote: »

Well, if Ferrari want to race with two top class drivers they better have a car so superior that it can compensate for the unavoidable clashes. The last time they dunnit (Prost/Mansell) it didn't go too well.

They all start from scratch next year, but I have a feeling that Renault will have the best engine. They've committed a huge budget and supply engines to five teams next season. I'm sure Alonso has great interest in that Lotus cockpit.

I think Ferrari will be in better shape next year. They have Rory Byrne designing the car and James Alison working in the aero department.

Having Rory Byrne working on next years car is a big plus.

Torqay

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I think Ferrari will be in better shape next year. They have Rory Byrne designing the car and James Alison working in the aero department.

Having Rory Byrne working on next years car is a big plus.

May that as it be, but it is safe to say that Alonso is not overly happy with Montezuma bringing Raikkonen back to Ferrari. If he has an opportunity to go back to the team where he won his two championships, I'd say he'd happily go for it. OTH, Lotus is looking for a top driver and The Hulk is apparently not their first choice.

lolie

Myrddin wrote: »

If I was a cynical man I'd say Webbers pit stop will be where he loses the lead, assuming he retains the lead after the first few bends etc. Vettel will have slipstream behind him so it'll be a tall ask to keep him behind I think

Looking at his starts this year he'll be lucky to lead into turn 1.
Good to see him on pole after the bad luck he's had, when he drove the car after the first he said he could'nt wait to drive it in Q3 in Suzuka.

Myrddin

lolie wrote: »

Looking at his starts this year he'll be lucky to lead into turn 1

Agreed, by & large they've been awful

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lolie

Myrddin wrote: »

Agreed, by & large they've been awful

Hope Webber has a good race but dont really want another red bull win.
Hopefully grosean either has a mad start and takes a few out or has a good strategy and fight for a win assuming vettel still has kers problems.

If Vettel finishes I'll be very surprised if he's behind Webber. Other than Vettel wearing out his tyres following Mark I can't see Mark finishing ahead of his.

Cool_CM

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If Vettel finishes I'll be very surprised if he's behind Webber. Other than Vettel wearing out his tyres following Mark I can't see Mark finishing ahead of his.

Another Senna and Prost moment at the chicane perhaps?

Btw great write up Frostie!

andyman

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OTH, Lotus is looking for a top driver and The Hulk is apparently not their first choice.

This thought infuriates me. At this rate Hulk will have to win races to stand a chance. How many more times will he have to outperform that car and outperform the rest of the midfield and mix it with the big boys in the process?

Can't wait to see him in Brazil. Really think he might have a chance of winning providing something happens to Vettel. There's something about him and that track. He was by far the quickest driver there last year

Torqay

andyman wrote: »

This thought infuriates me. At this rate Hulk will have to win races to stand a chance. How many more times will he have to outperform that car and outperform the rest of the midfield and mix it with the big boys in the process?

Can't wait to see him in Brazil. Really think he might have a chance of winning providing something happens to Vettel. There's something about him and that track. He was by far the quickest driver there last year

I hear you. But Lotus could have hired Huelkenberg weeks ago, what are they waiting for?