Mother of Baby P due for release

Just watching sky news. Tracey Connolly, the mother of baby p, will soon be released. She was jailed indefinitely in May 2009 with a minimum detention of 5 years.

It's not even 5 years yet so wtf are the parole board doing? Scum like her should rot!

remsburgsgirl

I remember having to study this story in Sociology class when it happened years ago...it was one of the things that made me think I definitely couldn't hack being a social worker

wp_rathead

Baby P was a 17-month-old British boy who died in London after suffering more than fifty injuries over an eight-month period, during which he was repeatedly seen by Haringey Children's services and NHS health professionals. Baby P's real first name was revealed as "Peter" on the conclusion of a subsequent trial of Peter's mother's boyfriend on a charge of raping a two-year-old.

Mind boggles

old hippy

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

dark crystal

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just watching sky news. Tracey Connolly, the mother of baby p, will soon be released. She was jailed indefinitely in May 2009 with a minimum detention of 5 years.

It's not even 5 years yet so wtf are the parole board doing? Scum like her should rot!

Let's see how long it takes her to get pregnant again.

I hope social workers make damn sure they never allow another child in her care ever again.

remsburgsgirl

dark crystal wrote: »

Let's see how long it takes her to get pregnant again.

I hope social workers make damn sure they never allow another child in her care ever again.

Surely she wouldn't be allowed have a child in her care again after that

dark crystal

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Is that your sole contribution to the thread then OH?

One wonders why on earth you continue to visit these types of threads if the replies needle you so much.

anncoates

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Most normal people occupy a space that while thankfully not on the Daily Mail violence porn side are also not on the excessive hand-wringing to the point of woolliness side either.

meemeemee

The final act in the death of that child, was to be punched in the face whilst he lay in his cot. A tooth was found in his digestive tract.

The three individuals should be locked up for a long time.

it's a joke.

That would be my fear too, DC, and it makes my stomach turn.

old hippy

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Why don't you tell us what you think of this news then?

wp_rathead

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

that is rather unfair Old Hippy
while it is inevitable there prob will be couple them type of posts, it is easy understand why people are disgusted that the person responsible for this baby's death is due to be getting out in less than 5 years

Forever And Ever

Apparently she's 23 stone now

what the **** were they feeding her in there?

WilyCoyote

Haringay Council has over the past 30 years been consistently voted near the bottom of all rankings performance wise.
Towards the eastern side it should prompt new investigation into a social miasmatic theory.

Bernie Grant still has his following .......... like the lady below:

Interviewed for a video, Haringey Mayor, Cllr Sheila Peacock is shown saying that:

"The second riots that we’ve just had was the best thing that’s happened in Tottenham for a while. My reason for saying that is, all of a sudden, the Government is now starting to pump money into Tottenham. Because Tottenham - Haringey is an outer London Borough so we don't get as much money as Islington or Hackney. And we've been struggling for years."

"— Cllr Sheila Peacock, http://bit.ly/11R2JxI

xXxkorixXx

looking at my beautiful 2 year old running around here playing gives me a shiver considering he is the same age as that poor child. that woman should be sterilised when she gets out

suicide_circus

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Why don't you tell us what you think of this news then?

presumably thinks she needs more benefits and free money

Forever And Ever

She should have her ovaries removed, she will be pregnant again within a few months no doubt

xXxkorixXx

xXxkorixXx wrote: »

looking at my beautiful 2 year old running around here playing gives me a shiver considering he is the same age as that poor child. that woman should be sterilised when she gets out

No, BEFORE she gets out

meemeemee

This woman is a danger. She was housed as a single mother. She moved a man who was not the childs father into her home. As I understand it, she then allowed his 36 year old brother, who was either a known sex offender or known pedophile to move in with them. When Baby P died, this man fled with his 15 year old girlfriend.

The whole case was sickening beyond belief

old hippy

dark crystal wrote: »

Is that your sole contribution to the thread then OH?

One wonders why on earth you continue to visit these types of threads if the replies needle you so much.

Put me on ignore then.

Maybe you'd prefer if I used the word "scum" and suchlike?

PLUG71

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Im damn well sure that if hanging was available she would have deserved it!!:mad:

Overheal

Forever And Ever wrote: »

She should have her ovaries removed, she will be pregnant again within a few months no doubt

Thats an elevated philosophy.

I can't think of any justice system that operates like that, either way.

crockholm

If she has indeed topped the scales at 23 stone,300+ pounds,150 kg-her body probably won't be able to concieve and the number of men either willing or indeed able will be like hens teeth.

Whatever about OH's comments earlier-I believe she deserves to be in prison for longer than that-don't try to tarnish everyone who disagrees with the leniency of the sentance as a DM rent-a-mob

WilyCoyote

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

If you don't have something to add to the thread, then why not shut up. Your bleating on about what you perceive to be ulterior motives etc is delusional. The above quoted is the thinking of a pillock

Banned

Lollipops23

I just don't understand why A)she wasn't sentenced for longer than 5 years and why she didn't even complete her 5 year sentence...am I missing something? Someone like her does not belong in society, I can't think of one contribution she could possibly make.

old hippy

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If you don't have something to add to the thread, then why not shut up. Your bleating on about what you perceive to be ulterior motives etc is delusional. The above quoted is the thinking of a pillock

Let's be franky, Wily. Since you and I first clashed, you don't like me commenting on anything that goes against your way of thinking.

Humanity is sick and thus so is the baying mob. One has to counter that way of discourse.

cletus van damme

I have no shame at all in being in the hang 'em high camp for crime like this.
In fact I'd be at the forefront of the rabble calling for blood.
Some crimes are too far out there for redemption and this is one.

This was long term torture of a defenceless child - it deserves a death penalty or locking up for life.

ArmaniJeanss

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just watching sky news. Tracey Connolly, the mother of baby p, will soon be released. She was jailed indefinitely in May 2009 with a minimum detention of 5 years.

It's not even 5 years yet so wtf are the parole board doing? Scum like her should rot!

Its actually just over 6 years as time in custodial remand pre-trial counts as part of the sentence. The child died in 2007.
btw I'm not defending the sentence, merely pointing out the parole board have followed it.

meemeemee

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I just don't understand why A)she wasn't sentenced for longer than 5 years and why she didn't even complete her 5 year sentence...am I missing something? Someone like her does not belong in society, I can't think of one contribution she could possibly make.

Because the British Justice system is F**ked Up.

Jason Owen, the "boyfriend's" brother ( and one totally sick b@stard )was releases on parole after serving only three years.

He has since been re-arrested and jailed.

Is anyone surprised ?

WTF were they thinking letting him out.

The other guy, Stephen Barker, as well as serving time for Baby P, is serving a sentence for raping a 2 year old girl.

meemeemee

crockholm wrote: »

If she has indeed topped the scales at 23 stone,300+ pounds,150 kg-her body probably won't be able to concieve and the number of men either willing or indeed able will be like hens teeth.

Oh, I don't know. The things you see at the Jeremy Kyle section of society have to be seen to be believed.

One thing is for sure. She is a "catch" for a peado. She is an enabler.

There will be trouble ahead ...

lukesmom

I don't know. Feel fairly sick at the thoughts of her being free. Her boy murdered and she gets 5 years for allowing it to happen. 5 little years. And yes I do believe it would be good if she could be sterilised. She should never have a chance of being a 'mother' again the sick b!tch.

PLUG71

cletus van damme wrote: »

I have no shame at all in being in the hang 'em high camp for crime like this.
In fact I'd be at the forefront of the rabble calling for blood.
Some crimes are too far out there for redemption and this is one.

This was long term torture of a defenceless child - it deserves a death penalty or locking up for life.

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do.

I have two a boy and a girl under 3 and if anybody hurt them I would pay them back 100 fold.

NOTHING makes my blood boil more than the ever increasing violence towards children and the lack of punishment to those that commit the offenses.

Then there are the Pc brigade out there that think people should not get angry.

Mod

WilyCoyote banned.

old hippy; as you have nothing to add to this discussion, do not post in this thread again.

Mince Pie

PLUG71 wrote: »

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do.

I have two a boy and a girl under 3 and if anybody hurt them I would pay them back 100 fold.

NOTHING makes my blood boil more than the ever increasing violence towards children and the lack of punishment to those that commit the offenses.

Then there are the Pc brigade out there that think people should not get angry.

I don't think that only a parent can understand how horrific this crime is. I don't have kids but the thought of someone hurting any child much less torturing them makes me sick to the stomach.
Its a bit much to think that if you don't have children then you wouldn't understand.
I have nieces and nephews who I would protect with the last breath left in my body.

meemeemee

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

PLUG71

Mince Pie wrote: »

I don't think that only a parent can understand how horrific this crime is. I don't have kids but the thought of someone hurting any child much less torturing them makes me sick to the stomach.
Its a bit much to think that if you don't have children then you wouldn't understand.
I have nieces and nephews who I would protect with the last breath left in my body.

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.

Any other parents agree or am I just a big softy?

crockholm

meemeemee wrote: »

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

True.Her barbarity makes it hard to sympathize with her on any level,even if such cruelty is visited upon her.

PLUG71

PLUG71 wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.

Any other parents agree or am I just a big softy?

She had a kid. Didn't do much for her.

I don't think you need to have children to feel empathy for this poor little man.

PLUG71

crockholm wrote: »

True.Her barbarity makes it hard to sympathize with her on any level,even if such cruelty is visited upon her.

Im a 40+ year old man and Im not joking when I say I have tears in my eveys when I think about what that child endured.

PLUG71

Deleted User wrote: »

She had a kid. Didn't do much for her.

I don't think you need to have children to feel empathy for this poor little man.

Im merely pointing out that when you have kids of your own the anger felt IMO is stronger.

MurdyWurdy

I have a baby and I don't feel more outraged by child abuse now then when I did before. I don't think you need to have kids to see how awful this case was (and similar cases are)

It does scare me a lot more than before though because it makes me think of all the awful things that could happen to my boy. You can worry yourself into knots it does make you just want to pick up your kids and make them and you feel safe I think.

Roose

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Ah shut up.

rob316

Ugh I'd be banned for good if I said what I wanted to. Vile digusting human beings. I constantly look at my children and just think to myself what sick bastard could kill a child.

I just don't get how parole boards reach these decisions!

Zen65

PLUG71 wrote: »

Im merely pointing out that when you have kids of your own the anger felt IMO is stronger.

This is true, and unfortunately that anger can blind us to the rationale behind a sentencing policy which allows this woman to be released after just 5 years (somebody has already pointed out she has served almost 6 years when the pre-trial custody period is taken into account).

A system of justice which does not allow for redemption after the punishment is an unjust system, and contrary to popular belief there is no evidence that it discourages crime, but rather it encourages the idea that once you've broken the law, you should just keep on breaking it, since you're going to be hung (or incarcerated for life) anyway. The sentence of 5 years does seem light, I agree, but then I was not at the trial and I don't have all of the evidence.

lukesmom

I think it's pretty stupid and not to mention patronising to use the 'ah you don't have kids so don't fully understand ' rubbish . Humans have protective instincts towards the very young. It's basic stuff and you don't need to have kids of your own to understand. I was 12 when Jamie bulger was snatched and murdered and I remember being horrified and sick to the pit of my stomach.

slarkin123

meemeemee wrote: »

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

If there was ever a case for forced sterilisation this is it. Sickening to think what that poor child got put through and she's being released after a short amount of time.

rob316

Zen65 wrote: »

This is true, and unfortunately that anger can blind us to the rationale behind a sentencing policy which allows this woman to be released after just 5 years (somebody has already pointed out she has served almost 6 years when the pre-trial custody period is taken into account).

A system of justice which does not allow for redemption after the punishment is an unjust system, and contrary to popular belief there is no evidence that it discourages crime, but rather it encourages the idea that once you've broken the law, you should just keep on breaking it, since you're going to be hung (or incarcerated for life) anyway. The sentence of 5 years does seem light, I agree, but then I was not at the trial and I don't have all of the evidence.

5 years is nothing though for torturing a small child. You'd get more for tax evasion or fraud. That woman should be locked up in a asylum for the criminally insane for good not let back out into society.

Redemption? Don't make me laugh. What mercy did they show to that poor little soul, absolutely none. Why should society show them mercy.

PLUG71

lukesmom wrote: »

I think it's pretty stupid and not to mention patronising to use the 'ah you don't have kids so don't fully understand ' rubbish . Humans have instincts towards the young , protective instincts . It's basic stuff and you don't need to have kids of your own to understand. I was 12 when Jamie bulger was snatched and murdered and I remember being horrified and sick to the pit of my stomach.

Please read exactly what I said.

I did not ever say "ah you dont have kids so dont fully understand".

What part of my saying anything ive said points at me being stupid and/patronising?

meemeemee

Please. A dead innocent 17 month old. Abused by his mother and 2 paedophiles. She managed to get a larger house (on benefits of course) to home all of them, including one of the paedo's under age runaway girlfriend.

This woman is frankly too stoopid to be discouraged from doing anything. She is a danger to herself and to any offspring.

She has probably not learned her lesson. She probably has too low an IQ. She was a drain on society, and once released will continue to be a drain on society. The difference being it would probably be cheaper to keep her institutionalised. She has contributed nothing to society and never will.

At least while she is inside there was less likelyhood of her causing more trouble and work for social workers. Not that they made a blind bit of difference to that poor child.

One of the paedophiles who killed Baby P, Jason Owen, was similarly released early, having been judge to be "no longer a danger". He offended pretty soon after. In the case of male paedophiles, I am afraid there is not a cure, and these two brothers should not be roaming the streets.

lukesmom

PLUG71 wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.