Mother of Baby P due for release

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 05:19PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

I have no shame at all in being in the hang 'em high camp for crime like this.
In fact I'd be at the forefront of the rabble calling for blood.
Some crimes are too far out there for redemption and this is one.

This was long term torture of a defenceless child - it deserves a death penalty or locking up for life.

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do.

I have two a boy and a girl under 3 and if anybody hurt them I would pay them back 100 fold.

NOTHING makes my blood boil more than the ever increasing violence towards children and the lack of punishment to those that commit the offenses.

Then there are the Pc brigade out there that think people should not get angry.

08-10-2013 05:20PM

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Mince Pie · 08-10-2013 05:23PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do.

I have two a boy and a girl under 3 and if anybody hurt them I would pay them back 100 fold.

NOTHING makes my blood boil more than the ever increasing violence towards children and the lack of punishment to those that commit the offenses.

Then there are the Pc brigade out there that think people should not get angry.

I don't think that only a parent can understand how horrific this crime is. I don't have kids but the thought of someone hurting any child much less torturing them makes me sick to the stomach.
Its a bit much to think that if you don't have children then you wouldn't understand.
I have nieces and nephews who I would protect with the last breath left in my body.

meemeemee · 08-10-2013 05:26PM

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 05:27PM

Mince Pie wrote: »

I don't think that only a parent can understand how horrific this crime is. I don't have kids but the thought of someone hurting any child much less torturing them makes me sick to the stomach.
Its a bit much to think that if you don't have children then you wouldn't understand.
I have nieces and nephews who I would protect with the last breath left in my body.

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.

Any other parents agree or am I just a big softy?

crockholm · 08-10-2013 05:31PM

meemeemee wrote: »

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

True.Her barbarity makes it hard to sympathize with her on any level,even if such cruelty is visited upon her.

08-10-2013 05:34PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.

Any other parents agree or am I just a big softy?

She had a kid. Didn't do much for her.

I don't think you need to have children to feel empathy for this poor little man.

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 05:34PM

crockholm wrote: »

True.Her barbarity makes it hard to sympathize with her on any level,even if such cruelty is visited upon her.

Im a 40+ year old man and Im not joking when I say I have tears in my eveys when I think about what that child endured.

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

She had a kid. Didn't do much for her.

I don't think you need to have children to feel empathy for this poor little man.

Im merely pointing out that when you have kids of your own the anger felt IMO is stronger.

MurdyWurdy · 08-10-2013 05:38PM

I have a baby and I don't feel more outraged by child abuse now then when I did before. I don't think you need to have kids to see how awful this case was (and similar cases are)

It does scare me a lot more than before though because it makes me think of all the awful things that could happen to my boy. You can worry yourself into knots

it does make you just want to pick up your kids and make them and you feel safe I think.

Roose · 08-10-2013 05:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

Cue boards rentamob "hang 'em high" types etc etc.

Ah shut up.

rob316 · 08-10-2013 05:55PM

Ugh I'd be banned for good if I said what I wanted to. Vile digusting human beings. I constantly look at my children and just think to myself what sick bastard could kill a child.

08-10-2013 05:59PM

I just don't get how parole boards reach these decisions!

Zen65 · 08-10-2013 06:07PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

Im merely pointing out that when you have kids of your own the anger felt IMO is stronger.

This is true, and unfortunately that anger can blind us to the rationale behind a sentencing policy which allows this woman to be released after just 5 years (somebody has already pointed out she has served almost 6 years when the pre-trial custody period is taken into account).

A system of justice which does not allow for redemption after the punishment is an unjust system, and contrary to popular belief there is no evidence that it discourages crime, but rather it encourages the idea that once you've broken the law, you should just keep on breaking it, since you're going to be hung (or incarcerated for life) anyway. The sentence of 5 years does seem light, I agree, but then I was not at the trial and I don't have all of the evidence.

lukesmom · 08-10-2013 06:11PM

I think it's pretty stupid and not to mention patronising to use the 'ah you don't have kids so don't fully understand ' rubbish . Humans have protective instincts towards the very young. It's basic stuff and you don't need to have kids of your own to understand. I was 12 when Jamie bulger was snatched and murdered and I remember being horrified and sick to the pit of my stomach.

slarkin123 · 08-10-2013 06:13PM

meemeemee wrote: »

It's not just the sickening abuse that child endured.

It is the fact that one person he loved and trusted, the one person he looked to for hugs and affection, betrayed him. Despite the abuse that child suffered, he still offered that evil b!tch the sort of wholly innocent, unconditional love and affection only a 17 month old child can.

And she betrayed that love for a paedophile.

Even in his last moments of pain and misery I bet he would have offered that evil thing his love.

I'm with the sterilization gang. Sorry.

If there was ever a case for forced sterilisation this is it. Sickening to think what that poor child got put through and she's being released after a short amount of time.

rob316 · 08-10-2013 06:16PM

Zen65 wrote: »

This is true, and unfortunately that anger can blind us to the rationale behind a sentencing policy which allows this woman to be released after just 5 years (somebody has already pointed out she has served almost 6 years when the pre-trial custody period is taken into account).

A system of justice which does not allow for redemption after the punishment is an unjust system, and contrary to popular belief there is no evidence that it discourages crime, but rather it encourages the idea that once you've broken the law, you should just keep on breaking it, since you're going to be hung (or incarcerated for life) anyway. The sentence of 5 years does seem light, I agree, but then I was not at the trial and I don't have all of the evidence.

5 years is nothing though for torturing a small child. You'd get more for tax evasion or fraud. That woman should be locked up in a asylum for the criminally insane for good not let back out into society.

Redemption? Don't make me laugh. What mercy did they show to that poor little soul, absolutely none. Why should society show them mercy.

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 06:18PM

lukesmom wrote: »

I think it's pretty stupid and not to mention patronising to use the 'ah you don't have kids so don't fully understand ' rubbish . Humans have instincts towards the young , protective instincts . It's basic stuff and you don't need to have kids of your own to understand. I was 12 when Jamie bulger was snatched and murdered and I remember being horrified and sick to the pit of my stomach.

Please read exactly what I said.

I did not ever say "ah you dont have kids so dont fully understand".

What part of my saying anything ive said points at me being stupid and/patronising?

meemeemee · 08-10-2013 06:19PM

Please. A dead innocent 17 month old. Abused by his mother and 2 paedophiles. She managed to get a larger house (on benefits of course) to home all of them, including one of the paedo's under age runaway girlfriend.

This woman is frankly too stoopid to be discouraged from doing anything. She is a danger to herself and to any offspring.

She has probably not learned her lesson. She probably has too low an IQ. She was a drain on society, and once released will continue to be a drain on society. The difference being it would probably be cheaper to keep her institutionalised. She has contributed nothing to society and never will.

At least while she is inside there was less likelyhood of her causing more trouble and work for social workers. Not that they made a blind bit of difference to that poor child.

One of the paedophiles who killed Baby P, Jason Owen, was similarly released early, having been judge to be "no longer a danger". He offended pretty soon after. In the case of male paedophiles, I am afraid there is not a cure, and these two brothers should not be roaming the streets.

lukesmom · 08-10-2013 06:20PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from but when you have kids the love you have for them is like nothing you have ever felt before.

They turn you in mush over night.:D

If/when you yourself have kids you too will see what im trying to say.

Overheal · 08-10-2013 06:22PM

rob316 wrote: »

Redemption? Don't make me laugh. What mercy did they show to that poor little soul, absolutely none. Why should society show them mercy.

Maybe society doesn't have all of the facts? I mean aside from snippets I've read on Wikipedia and a few news articles, I don't really have the complete breakdown of what happened or how it happened or who did what to whom or what was involved.

I fear that the internet, while providing people a very broad scope of information has also caused most people to gain a rather short perspective and narrow view of the world. I mean, your post makes the implication that she is a soulless, unrepentant sadist. I've seen a documentary or two about mothers who were classified as sadists, don't get me wrong. But they often whipped their kids or extinguished cigarettes on their bare skin or other levels of perversity because it made them feel powerful.

lukesmom · 08-10-2013 06:22PM

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PLUG71 wrote: »

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do

Rubberchikken · 08-10-2013 06:22PM

maybe they felt she had paid her debt to society.

spankysue · 08-10-2013 06:26PM

I don't have kids myself but this is one of those stories that really affected me. I feel physically sick when I think of what that poor little pet had to endure at the hands of those who were supposed to be caring for him.

I would also agree that she should be sterilised, someone like that shouldn't have the right to bring more children into this world after she failed so terribly at protecting her child.

08-10-2013 06:26PM

Forever And Ever wrote: »

Apparently she's 23 stone now

what the **** were they feeding her in there?

What weight was she going in?

Putting weight on in prison.. Somethings not right.

I don't think many will shed a tear if this person gets some severe hidings on the outside

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 06:30PM

Ok lukesmom,

So you dont agree that when you have kids your feelings are stronger than before you have kids?

Like I said before imo after having kids my feelings towards this kind of thing was far greater.

I did not say that people without kids could not have feelings regarding kids being treated this way.

PLUG71 · 08-10-2013 06:32PM

lukesmom wrote: »

And

PLUG71 wrote: »

Could not have said it better myself!

Maybe people that dont have kids do not fully understand the anger of those that do

I said maybe!

jezko · 08-10-2013 06:35PM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

maybe they felt she had paid her debt to society.

What of her debt to baby P ?

She helped take that child's future away in the most cruel way possible.

Society needs to set examples. Take a life and you will loose more than a handful of years "freedom".

Menas · 08-10-2013 06:36PM

At least if she is 23 stone it may limit her opportunities to get pregnant again.
I can only guess that the PB decided that she was no longer a threat to society and her crime was being stupjd and led astray.
We have not heard the last of this woman I fear.

lukesmom · 08-10-2013 06:36PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

Ok lukesmom,

So you dont agree that when you have kids your feelings are stronger than before you have kids?

Like I said before imo after having kids my feelings towards this kind of thing was far greater.

I did not say that people without kids could not have feelings regarding kids being treated this way.

Ok we will just agree to disagree

Mother of Baby P due for release

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