€1.20 for a whole nut

JustAddWater

With literally 1 whole nut in it!

Probably Cadbury more than the retailers, but this scrimping, meaning we pay more and get less is really getting annoying now

Cadbury's can go and feck! I'd rather go hungry now

€1.20 a bar of chocolate is a joke surely!

tayto lover

JustAddWater wrote: »

With literally 1 whole nut in it!

Probably Cadbury more than the retailers, but this scrimping, meaning we pay more and get less is really getting annoying now

Cadbury's can go and feck! I'd rather go hungry now

€1.20 a bar of chocolate is a joke surely!

Aldi have a lovely dark chocolate wholenut and it's huge for 1.30 I think.

JustAddWater

tayto lover wrote: »

Aldi have a lovely dark chocolate wholenut and it's huge for 1.30 I think.

This was a bog standard 55g bar btw!

I'll check it out thanks

Tesco do any 2 of the big ones for 2.50

ScouseMouse

Get used to it.

Cadburys are putting more price increases through AND making the bars smaller.

brian_gall85

Their new packaging which makes the block bars look bigger is extremely sneaky.

Kraft have to make their money back some how.

JustAThought

Check the packaging ; does it say nutS in the ingredients - you might have them there under unfair advertising ... Course you may have eaten the evidence !!!!

Aldi bars far inferior unfortunately tried them with great hopes but was disappointed, sadly.

animaal

JustAThought wrote: »

Aldi bars far inferior unfortunately tried them with great hopes but was disappointed, sadly.

I find Lidl dark chocolate very good. Much better than the standard Bournville. But you're right, the Lidl/Aldi milk chocolate is a bit different to Cadbury.

PWEI

This one in Lidl is really good & far nicer than Cadbury's whole nut

tayto lover

JustAThought wrote: »

Check the packaging ; does it say nutS in the ingredients - you might have them there under unfair advertising ... Course you may have eaten the evidence !!!!

Aldi bars far inferior unfortunately tried them with great hopes but was disappointed, sadly.

Tha Aldi dark wholenut is lovely. Full of delicious nuts.

shamrock55

Lidl&aldi chocolate is far superior to the crap cadbury dish out

chargerman

I was in EuroGiant (Euro2) today and got 5 bars for €2 (you can pic and mix). I got Wispa, Toffee Crisp, Drifter, Cad Dairymilk, a Twix and a Mars - they were all normal size. That's €0.40 each. They had Cadburys but not sure about Fruit & Nut as I don't eat it but at €1.20 - they could keep it!

brian_gall85

Nice story on BBC Breakfast this morning about the price of a 100g bar increasing by 21p. They state that the price of cocoa and milk is the contributing factor.

This will push most standard bars up to the €1.10-1.30 range.

This will more than likely be coupled with ever shrinking bars.

I await further outrage.

Ps, on the topic of lidl chocolate it's every bit as good as Cadbury.

Newonhere

I will certainly second the comments about the Lidl bars, I find them to be excellent, in fact certainly better quality than the Cadbury bars and MUCH better value for money.

Nanazolie

Cadbury chocolate contains vegetable fat (read palm and other nasties). Lidl and Aldi contain cocoa butter, the way proper chocolate should

Grayditch

I thought in my lifetime I'd see the one-nut-per-square bar Whole Nut.

Now you're lucky to get one nut per bar.

rubadub

JustAddWater wrote: »

€1.20 a bar of chocolate is a joke surely!

Well you paid it, so I can't see how you think its a joke.

I find it odd that people frequenting the rip off forum pay so much over the odds, I would have thought they would be more wary. Last bars I got were bounties and snickers, 4 for 1.50, and I don't think that's a particularly good price.

Last good price I got was 8 full size kit kat chunkies for €1.24

The lidl bar pictured above is chopped hazelnuts, the whole nut one has a higher % of nuts and around the same price, in case you like lots of nuts.

Grayditch

Jaysus, did ya check the dates on those?

rubadub

Grayditch wrote: »

Jaysus, did ya check the dates on those?

All well in date, from tesco, the prices are not that strange. You might want to start checking bargain alerts rather than this forum, which is more like a "expensive alert forum", you rarely see genuine rip offs reported here, just people almost bragging about how much they handed over for stuff that is easily got at a fraction of the price.

brian_gall85

The price for the standard bars pays for those multipack deals and according to media reportstthis week such offers may soon be a thing of the past.

rubadub

brian_gall85 wrote: »

those multipack deals and according to media reportstthis week such offers may soon be a thing of the past.

Any links to this? or reason why the mulitpack deals would end, and not just go up the same %?

brian_gall85

Was one of the suggestions given on BBC Breakfast the other morning as ways for the manufacturers to absorb rising costs. Less chocolate promotions was the main suggestion to avoid wholesale price increases across the board.

I don't know what people class as a reasonable profit but we currently sell a Twirl at 99c. That bar cost me 79c yesterday from my wholesaler.

JustAddWater

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Was one of the suggestions given on BBC Breakfast the other morning as ways for the manufacturers to absorb rising costs. Less chocolate promotions was the main suggestion to avoid wholesale price increases across the board.

I don't know what people class as a reasonable profit but we currently sell a Twirl at 99c. That bar cost me 79c yesterday from my wholesaler.

I think you need a new wholesaler. I know it's not Cadbury, but me, not even in retail, can get wholesale Mars bars for 27c inc VAT. Cadbury couldn't wholesale for 3 times that, especially since the 2 bars are similar retail price

brian_gall85

Cadbury costs a fair bit more in wholesale prices.

ScouseMouse

Also, that price quoted is for 288 bars. Thats a full outer of 6 boxes. One box is all a smaller shop would order as the outer could run into date issues if they dont sell fast enough.

A lot of shops could not order that quantity at once. I just logged into my cash and carry and a box of mars bars currently works out at 50c per bar excluding VAT. Thats a special offer.

rubadub

brian_gall85 wrote: »

I don't know what people class as a reasonable profit but we currently sell a Twirl at 99c. That bar cost me 79c yesterday from my wholesaler.

Reasonable profit is not necessarily a reasonable price though. I would certainly not pay 79cent for a twirl.

Do any of you guys just split mulitpacks? If I had a shop I would have both bars available, to stop the whingers, making around about the same on both bars (not % wise, like 20cent on either bar). If the bars were different weights I would clearly state it and show price per kilo.

Also have you ever considered selling supermarket brand bars? I would not pay 99c for the twirl which cost 79c to the retailer. In a local shop I would pay 99c for a lidl whole nut bar which I think is 69c. Can lidl stop people doing this in any way?

Nanazolie

rubadub wrote: »

Reasonable profit is not necessarily a reasonable price though. I would certainly not pay 79cent for a twirl.

Do any of you guys just split mulitpacks? If I had a shop I would have both bars available, to stop the whingers, making around about the same on both bars (not % wise, like 20cent on either bar). If the bars were different weights I would clearly state it and show price per kilo.

Also have you ever considered selling supermarket brand bars? I would not pay 99c for the twirl which cost 79c to the retailer. In a local shop I would pay 99c for a lidl whole nut bar which I think is 69c. Can lidl stop people doing this in any way?

I actually don't think it would work. People seem to be very loyal to their brands, and if they now accept to buy supermarket branded items in supermakets, I doubt very much they would buy them in their local shop. Obviously, people who buy chocolate bars in newsagents are kindda inpulse buying and not looking for value but for a munchie fix. If people want value on variety bars, they usually go to pound shops

brian_gall85

I can't see too many of my customers buying lidl branded chocolate from me in a small newsagents and as the previous poster said people who buy from me are brand loyal.

As for multi-packs we stock them when they are on offer and splitting them isn't always an option as they are often mark multi pack bars not to be sold separately

the groutch

brian_gall85 wrote: »

As for multi-packs we stock them when they are on offer and splitting them isn't always an option as they are often mark multi pack bars not to be sold separately

don't think I've ever seen multipack bars marked like that.
and even with multipack cans you won't get many complaints (if any) if you're selling them cheaper.

rubadub

Nanazolie wrote: »

People seem to be very loyal to their brands

brian_gall85 wrote: »

people who buy from me are brand loyal.

They are indeed, see what this previous poster said

PWEI wrote: »

This one in Lidl is really good & far nicer than Cadbury's whole nut

If you have not even attempted to sell them then how do you know they would not buy them, and be loyal to the brand. Just treat it like any new brand that appears on the market.

Dunnes stores are now selling Waitrose own brand products. I have to admit I thought it strange but then thought "why not" its just another brand.


http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/uk-retailer-waitrose-to-strengthen-dunnes-link-26859017.html

Lidl & aldi both have great reputations for chocolate quality, they ARE brands. You could think of it like Sony being sold in powercity as well as the sony shops. Or lily o briens & butlers in supermarkets as well as their own outlets.

Nanazolie wrote: »

if they now accept to buy supermarket branded items in supermakets, I doubt very much they would buy them in their local shop.

You will be selling them at a higher price, just like your normal bars are typically more expensive than they are in supermarkets. People are fully aware of this.

Nanazolie wrote: »

people who buy chocolate bars in newsagents are kindda inpulse buying and not looking for value but for a munchie fix.

I am not saying it will be much cheaper, so they are not really going to get it really cheap, they are getting good value in the sense its better quality at the same or slightly lower price.

brian_gall85 wrote: »

As for multi-packs we stock them when they are on offer and splitting them isn't always an option as they are often mark multi pack bars not to be sold separately

the groutch wrote: »

don't think I've ever seen multipack bars marked like that.

I have seen lots of bars marked like that. But it has no legal bearing, this has come up numerous times in other forums. Some people certainly moan about it, that's why I suggested having both bars available, with it clearly stated they are mulitpack bars.

I think it would be great free advertising for small shops. People would be talking about it, probably even get in the papers as you illustrate the large price differential. Even if you just had 1 or 2 items.

brian_gall85

ould be slated for splitting multi packs and accused of ripping customers off.

We sell retail packs of bars as produced for that very market by the manufacturer.

As for selling another retail outlets own brand products... I don't even believe that people have actually suggested that, it's an insanely ridiculous idea. Would Dunnes sell Tesco own brands?

And as already stated a lot of multi pack bars are smaller and/or marked as being multi pack bars and not for resale.

doublej

brian_gall85 wrote: »

ould be slated for splitting multi packs and accused of ripping customers off.

We sell retail packs of bars as produced for that very market by the manufacturer.

As for selling another retail outlets own brand products... I don't even believe that people have actually suggested that, it's an insanely ridiculous idea. Would Dunnes sell Tesco own brands?

And as already stated a lot of multi pack bars are smaller and/or marked as being multi pack bars and not for resale.[/

There is absolutely no way that ANY multiple ( LIDL, Aldi, Tesco or Dunnes )would allow any of their branded products, but especially any branded food product be offered for sale in another retail outlet, no matter how small it was.
They would consider it to be a breach of their copyright and would( and have) come down like a ton of bricks on retailers that have tried this over the years.
They have a very valid reason for this; they are responsible for the integrity of the food product, if someone complained of food poisoning.or the FSAI recalled the product, they have a strict liability on the matter.
Who is the better "mark" for compensation, the small shopkeeper or the large multiple?

rubadub

brian_gall85 wrote: »

ould be slated for splitting multi packs and accused of ripping customers off.

We sell retail packs of bars as produced for that very market by the manufacturer.

As for selling another retail outlets own brand products... I don't even believe that people have actually suggested that, it's an insanely ridiculous idea. Would Dunnes sell Tesco own brands?

And as already stated a lot of multi pack bars are smaller and/or marked as being multi pack bars and not for resale.

Every one of these points were preempted and addressed by me already, go back and read. If you still have a question I will gladly answer it. Better send the men in white coats out to the managers in dunnes.

doublej wrote: »

There is absolutely no way that ANY multiple ( LIDL, Aldi, Tesco or Dunnes )would allow any of their branded products, but especially any branded food product be offered for sale in another retail outlet, no matter how small it was.
They would consider it to be a breach of their copyright and would( and have) come down like a ton of bricks on retailers that have tried this over the years.

Have you any source/reference on this? I was asking earlier if there was anyway lidl could stop it. I did search myself and found nothing.

doublej

I could quote dozens of instances of retailers being compelled to cease and desist from activities that brand holders of Own Brands have sent to the small shop holders.
I don't believe that you would have to search further than make a phone call to LIDL and ask them if its ok to sell any of their branded products in stores that are not under their direct control.
This is completely different from Butlers or Lily O Briens products which are made widely available to all traders through direct supply, through authorised distributors and cash and carrys.

rubadub

So that's a no...

brian_gall85

I think you should keep the men in the white coats all to yourself...

rubadub

Still a no then, I'll just presume it was a load of made up nonsense so. In recent years the "bloke in the pub" stories have become the "lawyer in the pub" stories, in an attempt to sound more believable.

brian_gall85

Let me put it to you this way, I go to Lidl and buy a case of their bars for 69c each and sell them for 99c.

You enter my shop and see Lidl chocolate for sale at a 30c mark up.

Where would you buy the product?

Secondly, when I buy from my wholesaler I pay them for a product that comes with an invoice, in my company name, which is charged at 21% VAT. I then in turn pay the Revenue 21% VAT on profit I male on my mark up on that product.

If I have an audit, I have to provide them with all invoices for my purchases which must be in my name. Please explain to me how this works if I buy the item from Lidl?

thesandeman

brian_gall85 wrote: »

If I have an audit, I have to provide them with all invoices for my purchases which must be in my name. Please explain to me how this works if I buy the item from Lidl?

Pubs can buy stock from supermarkets/off licences and use the normal receipt for revenue purposes.

rubadub

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Let me put it to you this way, I go to Lidl and buy a case of their bars for 69c each and sell them for 99c.

You enter my shop and see Lidl chocolate for sale at a 30c mark up.

Where would you buy the product?

I already answered this

rubadub wrote: »

In a local shop I would pay 99c for a lidl whole nut bar which I think is 69c.

Nothing unusual about this, the OP paid €1.20 and the bar is 99cent in tescos. That's the whole idea behind convenience stores, I expect to pay more. In addition the bar is bigger, better quality chocolate, about twice as many nuts per 100g, 12% vs 23-24%

In deansgrange there is a lidl and a supervalu over the road. I have often looked into lidl, saw massive queues and gone over to supervalu instead, paying more for similar products.

I don't see any big difference, granted it is unusual, but I would quickly get used to it. Just like I am used to getting Waitrose own brand stuff in Dunnes now.

As above pubs buy from supermarkets all the time, I would love if my local got lidl Perlenbacher beer in, people agreed in other threads. The other oddity is that most pubs do not have cans for sale to be drank on the premises. I have been in a few that did, but most don't. Its like all the retailers and publicans just copy each other, they don't see others do it and presume nobody will accept it. Yet those same publicans are probably handing cans out to friends & relatives to drink at BBQs and Christmas, but for some reason think its unacceptable in a pub.

brian_gall85

The Waitrose/Dunnes situation is entirely different as Waitrose don't operate in Ireland at all.

rubadub

brian_gall85 wrote: »

The Waitrose/Dunnes situation is entirely different as Waitrose don't operate in Ireland at all.

I would say slightly different. My point stands, I would buy a lidl bar in your shop. What do you think peoples objections would be, that it is so "entirely different"? I was mixing you up with the other poster in my second last post by the way. Can you give a few reasons why you think it is "insanely ridiculous"

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Would Dunnes sell Tesco own brands?

Probably not, especially not in the way I am suggesting, and I never suggested they would. I am talking of small shops, convenience stores, this should have been pretty obvious.

Dunnes would be buying from tesco's shelves, so if they are sending in buyers they have a problem of needing much higher stock levels than a corner shop. Then they do not have the same convenience factor so people are less likely to pay the extra margin. So its pretty different.

Now if Tesco started supplying Dunnes products like Waitrose do, presumably at a lower price than they sell in their own shops, then there probably would come a tipping point where it is worth their while to do it.

doublej

rubadub wrote: »

I would say slightly different. My point stands, I would buy a lidl bar in your shop. What do you think peoples objections would be, that it is so "entirely different"? I was mixing you up with the other poster in my second last post by the way. Can you give a few reasons why you think it is "insanely ridiculous"

Probably not, especially not in the way I am suggesting, and I never suggested they would. I am talking of small shops, convenience stores, this should have been pretty obvious.

Dunnes would be buying from tesco's shelves, so if they are sending in buyers they have a problem of needing much higher stock levels than a corner shop. Then they do not have the same convenience factor so people are less likely to pay the extra margin. So its pretty different.

Now if Tesco started supplying Dunnes products like Waitrose do, presumably at a lower price than they sell in their own shops, then there probably would come a tipping point where it is worth their while to do it.

Rubadub, lets get this straight; It would be an illegal action for a retailer to offer for sale an own brand product that was developed for exclusive sale in the outlets owned or licenced to a Symbol or Multiple to which that retailer did not belong.
Simple as that.It wouldnt matter if you or a thousand other people were willing to pay 10,20 or 30 per cent over the RSP for the "convenience" of that product being available in a small store, it is a breach of the rights of the brandholder to have their product resold in physical conditions (storage/refridgeration) over which they have no control.
My earlier suggestion stands,ring LIDL,ALDI,Dunnes,Tesco,SuperValu,Centra,Spar,Marks and Spencer,Londis or CostCutter and ask any or all of them if they would have a difficulty with seeing their Own Brand product sold in a small store that they do not own or have an economic relationship with,even if they had sold the product to the shop at full Recommended Selling Price. You might further ask them what do/would they do if they became aware of their brand(s) being sold in the same small shop.I can assure you that each of them would take extreme steps to protect their brand.Own Brand is precisely that;it is completely different to brands that are developed for sale in the wider retail arena.
You may not think this is fair but it is the reality and is not the product of a "bloke in the pub", "lawyer in the pub" thought process.Nor,may I add is it a nonsense. You are perfectly entitled to hold a different view to others but making snide or disparaging comments is neither courteous nor neccessary.

Fighting Irish

find the dearest way to buy a bar of wholenut and then bitch about it

Jimmy Iovine

Home Bargains need to open a shop in Ireland. You can get a Mars bar for less than 30p. It may be as low as 27p. I haven't bought chocolate in ages now. Pretty sure you can buy Cadburys bars for the same price.

JustAddWater

Fighting Irish wrote: »

find the dearest way to buy a bar of wholenut and then bitch about it

find the dearest bar of wholenut and pay up. Yes sir, please sir.

If people put up with paying over the odds for things then companies chance their arm a lot more and pay what they think they'll get away with.

I had experience first hand with this where I worked before, I was advised to charge clients different prices for the exact same things, as some would happily pay and I was to charge what I felt the client would pay. If the client complained, drop the price a little, if not, keep it going. There was a massive difference in some cases between what clients payed for the same things and it was completely and immorally wrong. (I'm not working there any more)

So long as there are people willing to pay and say nothing, people will be charged accordingly. Bit like upwards only rents, prices increase but rarely decrease

Well, i've paid €1.20 for a whole nut once, but I wont be paying it a second. It wont make a blind bit of difference to kraft, but I couldn't care about them, it'll be me who'll be saving by going elsewhere

Go enjoy you're expensive chocolate now, you've earned it for your words of wisdom

brian_gall85

It all boils down to value and worth, something is only worth whatever people are prepared to pay for it.

For everyone else astounded by the prices of confectionery, I'd advice them to pay a visit to the Spar shop on Dame St in Dublin...now that's a rip off.

rubadub

doublej wrote: »

Rubadub, lets get this straight; It would be an illegal action for a retailer to offer for sale an own brand product that was developed for exclusive sale in the outlets owned or licenced to a Symbol or Multiple to which that retailer did not belong.
Simple as that.It wouldnt matter if you or a thousand other people were willing to pay 10,20 or 30 per cent over the RSP for the "convenience" of that product being available in a small store, it is a breach of the rights of the brandholder to have their product resold in physical conditions (storage/refridgeration) over which they have no control.
My earlier suggestion stands,ring LIDL,ALDI,Dunnes,Tesco,SuperValu,Centra,Spar,Marks and Spencer,Londis or CostCutter and ask any or all of them if they would have a difficulty with seeing their Own Brand product sold in a small store that they do not own or have an economic relationship with,even if they had sold the product to the shop at full Recommended Selling Price. You might further ask them what do/would they do if they became aware of their brand(s) being sold in the same small shop.I can assure you that each of them would take extreme steps to protect their brand.Own Brand is precisely that;it is completely different to brands that are developed for sale in the wider retail arena.
You may not think this is fair but it is the reality and is not the product of a "bloke in the pub", "lawyer in the pub" thought process.Nor,may I add is it a nonsense. You are perfectly entitled to hold a different view to others but making snide or disparaging comments is neither courteous nor neccessary.

Again a simple NO would have done...

doublej

rubadub wrote: »

Again a simple NO would have done...

Not when the question posed by you was whether LIDL could prevent a small store owner from selling LIDL chocolate in the small shop. The answer would be a YES, they can prevent it.

V.W.L 11

JustAddWater wrote: »

With literally 1 whole nut in it!

Probably Cadbury more than the retailers, but this scrimping, meaning we pay more and get less is really getting annoying now

Cadbury's can go and feck! I'd rather go hungry now

€1.20 a bar of chocolate is a joke surely!

sounds like the kind of price topaz petrol stations charge

Ciaran_B

4 Double Deckers for €1.50 in Tesco yesterday. I bought 8.