Plasterer mixed autumn leaves in the mix

exercise

The plasterer when plastering the house mixed autumn leaves with the mix,
Now they are showing in the dry wall as a dark shapes, all over the house wall,
Not to mention the ones you cannot see in the wall,
Is this a problem in the long term,

exercise

That's not the answer, I'm looking for mate,

Worriedmind

...what the hell did he do that for?

Yes it will be a problem as the inherent bond within the plaster is seriously compromised. Also as the organic matter naturally decays over time you'll be left with numerous voids and debonded plasterwork.

Again though, I'm genuinely curious as to what the hell he thought he was doing??!

Rovi

Worriedmind wrote: »

Again though, I'm genuinely curious as to what the hell he thought he was doing??!

Probably used water out of a puddle or a barrel/bucket under a downpipe or something like that.

exercise

The plasterer seems to think it is not an issue, he said it's just one of those things, he did not mix the mixes for the house walls, his labourers mix all the mixes , they did not attempt to take out the leaves from the sand before shoveling it into the mixer.

exercise

The sand was parked on a trailer in the yard in front of the house, their are a few trees beside the yard, the trailer was in the yard for a week uncovered, until last Friday when the plasterers arrived, and finished the plastering of the house

GreeBo

Jaysus!
Plastering needs to be done with clean water and tools, this is obviously more important with "indoor" plaster, but I'd be getting him right back to redo it. they were his labourers, nothing to do with you.
has he been paid?

exercise

The plaster is set on the wall, you would need a hammer drill to get it of the wall now or some powerful tool, he has not been paided yet, he also has the contract for the internal plaster, he is a good plasterer, we were happy with his work until this issue arised

Outkast_IRE

Is he for real, he must of noticed the leaves in the plaster the labourers were handing it to him and he was putting it on, not a hope I would be happy with the situation.

Stinicker

Don't give this lad a penny or allow him to do anymore work, his laborers were too fecking lazy to shovel off the leaves, his problem not yours. You are paying to get it done right not botched like this. Make him hack down the walls and replaster.

Is the house getting painted? If so no problem

GreeBo

exercise wrote: »

The plaster is set on the wall, you would need a hammer drill to get it of the wall now or some powerful tool, he has not been paided yet, he also has the contract for the internal plaster, he is a good plasterer, we were happy with his work until this issue arised

he might be good at getting plaster flat, but he is not a good plasterer.
Outside is one thing, no way would I be letting him or his lads near my internal walls.
Internal Plastering relies on the lads cleaning each bucket load and the tools thoroughly and providing perfectly clear water....it doesnt sound like your going to get that from this group.

Outkast_IRE

Amira Few Snot wrote: »

Is the house getting painted? If so no problem

How is it no problem, the issue is with the possible bonding issues caused by decaying leaves in the plaster. Paint wont fix that

GreeBo

Amira Few Snot wrote: »

Is the house getting painted? If so no problem

if your plasterer offered you leaves or no leaves which would you pick and why?

soap1978

exercise wrote: »

Here is the finished wall with a few hundered leaves in it

it donesnt look that bad at all.

exercise

Worriedmind wrote: »

...what the hell did he do that for?

Yes it will be a problem as the inherent bond within the plaster is seriously compromised. Also as the organic matter naturally decays over time you'll be left with numerous voids and debonded plasterwork.

Again though, I'm genuinely curious as to what the hell he thought he was doing??!

This is the problem I am worried about more that apperrance

Stella Virgo

cant see anything cud ya get a bit nearer with the camera to the wall.....

exercise

You can see dark spots, they are the leaves, if you were closer you would see even more dark spots,

Maudi

He has shown very little respect to you for using sh,, and putting it on your wall..very bad form.god knows what else he has done thinking hes been smart.you probably just havnt noticed..this will cause you problems and id pay him part of what you owe and tell him to sling his hook.

Worriedmind

Looks like a beautiful house. Don't let this chancer ruin it for you! You will inevitably have problems with this down the line. The plaster will debond, crack and paint will peel.

He needs to remove this and do it properly in accordance with current regulations and standard practice.

The alternative is that you engage a solicitor to deal with the contractor/contractors insurance company and agree that they will completely re-do the works should defects arise as a direct result of negligent workmanship (i.e fu*ki*g leaves in the plaster!)

endacl

exercise wrote: »

The plasterer seems to think it is not an issue, he said it's just one of those things, he did not mix the mixes for the house walls, his labourers mix all the mixes , they did not attempt to take out the leaves from the sand before shoveling it into the mixer.

FFS! All they had to do was sift it...

TOMP

Did he use Fairy Liquid? It was a favoured mortar ingredient of some bricklayers during the celtic tiger period.

mickdw

30 seconds would have skimmed the leaves of the top of the sand before he started but to be fair you should have the sand covered when leaves were going to be a problem.
Still, if he was any kind of plasterer, he would have given the labourer a severe going over after first mix appeared with leaves. To keep plastering in that manner suggests he is not the type of tradesman you want around the house.
Im not so sure it's a huge issue but then again I cant see how many leaves we are talking about. Dirty sand for example could be a much more serious issue but might never be noticed.

mickdw

TOMP wrote: »

Did he use Fairy Liquid? It was a favoured mortar ingredient of some bricklayers during the celtic tiger period.

I've seen shampoo used. Nicer smell than the fairy liquid. On a similar note, I've seen terrible issues where too much plasticiser was added to mix. I found a complete extremal wall with plaster completely blown off the wall. Plasterer used a normal amount of regular plasticiser and then to make it super tacky added a measure of the concentrate plasticiser also.

exercise

The plasterer said he did not notice the leaves in the mix, when he was plastering the wall on the day, believe it or not, I thinking possibley into a thousand leaves in the mix, not sure about the exact number

nick 56

This is a crazy story. i hoped this sort of crap had died along with the celtic tiger bull****. I am long retired but am still shocked with the rotten things so called tradesmen do. I was a plumber / gas fitter and our work is now governed by rules and regulations.

Do you have an architect on the job?

It looks like a lovely house don't let him spoil it. TELL him to strip it now before it sets any harder and redo it, better still get somebody else , a real tradesman.



Above all don,t pay till it is sorted

GreeBo

exercise wrote: »

The plasterer said he did not notice the leaves in the mix, when he was plastering the wall on the day, believe it or not, I thinking possibley into a thousand leaves in the mix, not sure about the exact number

so he didnt notice AND none of them were half in the plaster...they were all perfectly covered?
Horlicks!

exercise

We are trying to fix up this house ourselfs , helping the tradesmen as much as possible, we have not got an architect,

massey265

You sure there leaves in the render? Cause if there were it would make it extremely hard to float a finish on it or near impossible if there was thousands off leaves in it cause it does look like a fairly good finish.

exercise

I am very sure, if you were at the wall in person, you would see lots of dark brown black marks, very visible, the cement mix covered them, on the day of plastering, when they dryed, they became visible again,

exercise

Sorry folks I had to take of the photos, the rest of the household were not happy about them.

massey265

Well its the best I've heard yet! He doesn't deserve to be called a plasterer, he's just about qualified enough to handle a kango to pick it all off again!

woodoo

Exercise take a close up photo that doesn't give your house identity away.

exercise

This is the best image I have for now, a cropped photo

Jeju

exercise wrote: »

This is the best image I have for now, a cropped photo

Off topic, but that unsecured ladder should not be left against a single planked scaffold!

esox28

It will be very upsetting and hurtfull for a while, but believe me if you attempt to kqngo that plaster off the house you will feel a hole lot worse, as it will never look right.

Paint is your only friend now, imo.

also part company with that plaster, the relationship is over, thank him for his work and pay him some not all of the money. be kind but ferm.

He defo would have noticed the leaves imo.

Worriedmind

Fosroc do a concrete repair product called Renderoc. Give them a shout, explain the problem and see if they can recommend a suitable product for repair. This will thicken the overall render but may be a good compromise for all involved.

If Fosroc can recommend a suitable product then you need to relieve your plasterer of his duties and of course agree wuth him that he ponies up for the remedial works costs.

ravendude

Surely you have an engineer overseeing the build. - to sign off that it complies with building regulations etc etc?
If not, - you should and would be advised to get one.

You can then tell the plasterer that the engineer won't sign off etc. etc. and it needs to be rectified.

exercise

leaves in wall close up

GreeBo

he didnt notice that until after it had dried?
sure some of them are hanging out

hawkwind23

dont like laying into someones working practice without knowing the full facts.

when he was rubbing up the plaster he would of seen the leaves and should of picked them out easily.
same for when he was applying the mix he would of seen the leaves and told the laborers to make sure to clean the top off the sand.
same for the laborers , should of knew better.

hard to say if its just in one area or throughout?
if throughout then there is little excuse.

my advice is to ignore the comments about kangoing the render off.
that will only make a mess and cost a fortune.
it cant be patched as that will look worse!


i would get some professional advice and be aiming to live with it.

id call the plasterer again , hard to believe he wouldnt of picked them out when rubbing

fealeranger

The plastering looks very tasty except for the leaves which really let this guy down with a bang. I wouldn't panic just yet. Have a little chat with him on how he could fix this issue without kango hammer before going for legal advice. It can surly be rectified. There are also sealers you can put on before painting so these will help paint peeling and bubbling which can happen on the best plastering job. If you have not paid him the ball is in your court. I would be getting him to repair the job and carry on with the inside as you have said the work is very good. Otherwise just get rid of him without paying him at all as somebody else is going to fleece you to fix this so you are going to need extra cash to rectify it.

r3nu4l

I've deleted a number of unhelpful and ridiculous posts. If you can't help the OP address the issue then don't bother posting. Thanks.

exercise

Believe they are all over the front and side walls of the house, There are some leaves in every square meter, :eek: The plasterer has not been around for a few days now, he should be back soon.

4Sticks

r3nu4l wrote: »

I've deleted a number of unhelpful and ridiculous posts. If you can't help the OP address the issue then don't bother posting. Thanks.

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r3nu4l

4Sticks wrote: »

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fozz10

fealeranger wrote: »

The plastering looks very tasty except for the leaves which really let this guy down with a bang. I wouldn't panic just yet. Have a little chat with him on how he could fix this issue without kango hammer before going for legal advice. It can surly be rectified. There are also sealers you can put on before painting so these will help paint peeling and bubbling which can happen on the best plastering job. If you have not paid him the ball is in your court. I would be getting him to repair the job and carry on with the inside as you have said the work is very good. Otherwise just get rid of him without paying him at all as somebody else is going to fleece you to fix this so you are going to need extra cash to rectify it.

tasty my hole. either some people have never actually seen a good plasterers work. that finish is rough as f*uck. you shouldnt see any pattern from the float rubbing, the face of the bands are not square( you cant get them square using beads ) a good plasterer uses laths. and the plinth line is rough as hell. aside from the leaves. you people are having a laugh.

esox28

fozz10 wrote: »

tasty my hole. either some people have never actually seen a good plasterers work. that finish is rough as f*uck. you shouldnt see any pattern from the float rubbing, the face of the bands are not square( you cant get them square using beads ) a good plasterer uses laths. and the plinth line is rough as hell. aside from the leaves. you people are having a laugh.

+1 , looks fairly rough im afraid from your pics

exercise

Ok decision has been made, after chatting with the plasterer, we are going to let the plasterer finish the job, and put up with his mistake, what's done is done, can't change that, only time will tell if the leaves are going to be a problem within the plaster wall, as for the appearance long term weather exposure should sort that, it's not an ideal situation, but what can one do.

fozz10

Of course u are. He's probably been at it years and wasn't letting the inside of a house go in the current construction situation

michael999999

exercise wrote: »

Ok decision has been made, after chatting with the plasterer, we are going to let the plasterer finish the job, and put up with his mistake, what's done is done, can't change that, only time will tell if the leaves are going to be a problem within the plaster wall, as for the appearance long term weather exposure should sort that, it's not an ideal situation, but what can one do.

Madness!!

The only time you should leave that man in your front door again is when he is asking to plug in he's extension lead for he's kango hammer.

Don't give him a bob, the fact he's willing to look for payment for that job tells you all you need to know about he's standards. And then to try and say he's labourer should have spotted it.

Tell him climb back on he's horse and out of your yard!