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Walter White-final conclusions (final episode spoilers)

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    #62
    Monkey Allen
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Monkey Allen


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    Opportunity knocked. He was faced with a choice and that's what he chose.
    Well obviously, but we don't know the motive. If it was to protect Jesse or to be rid of her for selfish reasons. Or both.


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    #63
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Monkey Allen wrote: »
    Well obviously, but we don't know the motive. If it was to protect Jesse or to be rid of her for selfish reasons. Or both.

    My bet would be both. Kills two birds with one stone.


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    #64
    John Dodger
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭John Dodger


    Mr.Saturn wrote: »
    This'd be corroborated by the 'Fly' episode, where WW gleams some sort of absolution-by-proxy when Jesse offers the 'Two junkies with a bag full of cash? We would've been dead within a week' line in respone to Walt's fuzzy, muttered condolences.

    The motivation is also made very clear too by the scene immediately before Jane's death; where Walt refers to Jesse as his son when yarning with Jane's dad in the bar, and, as consequence, Mr.White sets out to Pinkman's gaf with a view to sorting out Jesse's affairs in a very paternal fashion.

    Walt doesn't refer to Jessie as his son in that scene.


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    #65
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    John Dodger wrote: »
    Walt doesn't refer to Jessie as his son in that scene.

    He refers to him as his nephew. So what? Why all the nitpicking.


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    #66
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    So I've been re watching it and I'm mid season five. I can't continue because I hate WW so much.

    He is like a metaphor for Rothchild economics.


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    #67
    Mr.Saturn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    John Dodger wrote: »
    Walt doesn't refer to Jessie as his son in that scene.

    Can't recall the scene fully from memory, though I take your point. Meant more to the fact that Walt is openly acknowledging Jesse's high place in his affections than anything else.


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    #68
    Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother


    He does call his son "Jesse" at one point though.


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    #69
    John Dodger
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭John Dodger


    Mr.Saturn wrote: »
    Can't recall the scene fully from memory, though I take your point. Meant more to the fact that Walt is openly acknowledging Jesse's high place in his affections than anything else.

    Yeah, agreed.


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    #70
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »
    He does call his son "Jesse" at one point though.

    When was that?


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    #71
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,340 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    April O Neill wrote: »
    When was that?

    After he fights with Jesse and gets drunk in the 4th season. Walt Jr. goes to his condo (it's Walt Jr's birthday) and after finding him like that, helps him get to bed. Walt calls him Jesse (he's drunk and loaded with a few sleeping pills).


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    #72
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Penn wrote: »
    After he fights with Jesse and gets drunk in the 4th season. Walt Jr. goes to his condo (it's Walt Jr's birthday) and after finding him like that, helps him get to bed. Walt calls him Jesse (he's drunk and loaded with a few sleeping pills).

    He also refers to him as his nephew when he is sitting in the bar chatting with Jane's father.

    However, by season 5 I am pretty convinced he does not love Jesse. He has a familial bond with him, an attachment, but he does not love him like a son, for example there is no way he would let Walt Jr risk his life the way he demands and risks Jesses.


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    #73
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    He also refers to him as his nephew when he is sitting in the bar chatting with Jane's father.

    Well, in that case, it was deliberate. It wasn't that he thought of him as a nephew, just that he wanted to find a way to bring him up to Jane's dad without having to say that he was his meth-producing partner-in-crime. :P


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    #74
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    How different the show would have been had Hank NOT seen the House of Leaves book left for Walt by Gale....at that point there was no way Walt would have been found out and he was pretty much out of the meth business at that point, bar a few loose ends with Lydia. The show could have ended at that point but of course that would not be as entertaining...


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    #75
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,340 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    How different the show would have been had Hank NOT seen the House of Leaves book left for Walt by Gale....at that point there was no way Walt would have been found out and he was pretty much out of the meth business at that point, bar a few loose ends with Lydia. The show could have ended at that point but of course that would not be as entertaining...

    In fairness though, you could say the same for a lot of twists that happened in the show. What if Jesse hadn't started dating Andrea (which led him and Walt to kill two of Gus' men, thereby putting them at odds with Gus)? What if Jane hadn't rolled over and died? What if Hank hadn't showed up when Tuco was trying to kill Walt & Jesse (or showed up earlier and caught them)? What if the Cousins had managed to kill Hank?

    The reason Hank found the book was to show Walt's ego. Walt could have gotten rid of the book, but he kept it as a souvenir of sorts. A trophy. A memento of how he won. He was free and clear, but his ego made him keep it. That's what led to his downfall.


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    #76
    scamalert
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Theres so many if,in the show that could changed every scenario that happened,what if Jessie took 5mil and just left at s5 part 1 finale.
    but what made this series so popular and no1,was step by step action,showing Walt changing within every episode,its not like any other tv shows where it starts someone being in power/money ,this show went step by step to the top of drug empire from ground level.In no means its realistic scenario,but closest as it could get.


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    #77
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭take everything


    hfallada wrote: »
    I think the meth was to show the world he was a genius. In the first season in the episode grey matter, we see he was part of a company, that was a billion dollar company. He missed out on his chance there to be great. But ended up being a ****ty high school chemistry teacher with no life and dying.

    By being Heisenberg he was the best meth cooker in America. And had the exciting life with money that he should have had with grey matter. He finally died making something of his life, even if it wasnt a morally right living. He didnt want to live a boring life. But he made sure that all the "evil" people that could harm his family were taken care of first. He wasn't a ruthless killer. He made sure the people he killed were dark and deserved it like the Mexican in the basement that Walt gave a second chance. But seen he was going to kill walt, so Walt killed him.

    Walt was very like tony soprano. Although they both seem on the surface as bad and evil people. They geniuely cared about their family and seen what they were doing as job and not doing it for that sake of it.

    Bit in bold does not compute.


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