Saorview Connect

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Thanks everyone for the useful tips.

Charles Slane

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but the thread is very long now - does the channel list for satellite channels automatically update when channels change transponders etc, or do you need to re-scan for the new frequencies?

I ask because it seems that would be at least an advantage over regular terrestrial/satellite FTA boxes. I'm perfectly happy to keep an eye on transponder changes and re-scan, but I know people for whom that would be an obstacle.

Sam Russell

No it does not automatically update.

Charles Slane

Sam Russell wrote: »

No it does not automatically update.

Thanks Sam!

Yeah, it's hard to see any great benefit to getting Connect at the moment, especially given the reports of the software being glitchy. The curiousty in me still wants to give it a spin though, haha.

Sam Russell

Charles Slane wrote: »

Thanks Sam!

Yeah, it's hard to see any great benefit to getting Connect at the moment, especially given the reports of the software being glitchy. The curiousty in me still wants to give it a spin though, haha.

Basically, it has two receivers (tuners) that each can receive satellite or Saorview. The first is for viewing, the second for recording. They are independent of each other so you can watch or record anything. You get series link on Saorview but not on satellite, just now and next, but you can set timed recordings.

galtee boy

Charles Slane wrote: »

Sam Russell wrote: »

No it does not automatically update.

Thanks Sam!

Yeah, it's hard to see any great benefit to getting Connect at the moment, especially given the reports of the software being glitchy. The curiousty in me still wants to give it a spin though, haha.

Another big disadvantage that the Connect box has, in comparison to a bog standard fta combo box, is that you cant combine the Saorview and satellite channels on one list/epg.

Capt'n Midnight

Charles Slane wrote: »

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but the thread is very long now - does the channel list for satellite channels automatically update when channels change transponders etc, or do you need to re-scan for the new frequencies?

I ask because it seems that would be at least an advantage over regular terrestrial/satellite FTA boxes. I'm perfectly happy to keep an eye on transponder changes and re-scan, but I know people for whom that would be an obstacle.

Genuine FreeSat boxes and SKY boxes update automatically.

A well configured Linux FTA box will too.
And any half decent one will also support a USB TV tuner.

Only generic boxes don't retune automatically. And even then if it's a half way decent brand you could download a channel list instead of manual scanning.

lsjmhar

They could add automatic update to this box. Maybe if it is suggests to keribillen he will be able to add it to a future update!

Tony

They would need permission from Freesat to do this. There is no 7 day guide on Freesat for the same reason.

lsjmhar wrote: »

They could add automatic update to this box. Maybe if it is suggests to keribillen he will be able to add it to a future update!

STB.

lsjmhar wrote: »

They could add automatic update to this box. Maybe if it is suggests to keribillen he will be able to add it to a future update!

They are not going to do this. Its too late and no doubt outside the terms of the original manufacturing agreement.

Auto update already exists for DVB-T. Its called LCN. This is the logical channel number order that exists for the Saorview platform in accordance with Code of Practice for the Placement of Television Services agreed with the BAI.

On Linux boxes, some clever coder developed a plugin many years ago that automates the process of building and updating a bouquet or channel list. It was done by providers and is xml based. It would be simple to copy, but its not going to happen as RTE have no interest in creating a FTA viewing box.

I gather what RTE are currently doing with the connect box is hard coding/maintaining a basic predetermined channel list for satellite that is only updated on software update. Completely different. And in a different access module to the Saorview Channels.

Finally this 7 day epg that people have confused as copyrighted. The Freesat logo and menu system is copyrighted. The epg just like the channels is unencrypted and is not. Free to Air and free use.

There are hundreds of thousands E2 boxes out in the public domain. EPG scraping and grabbing from various providers over the air is built in by default. The OE alliance of developers would have been sued years ago if there were any obvious copyright issues.

Johnboy1951

STB. wrote: »

They are not going to do this. Its too late and no doubt outside the terms of the original manufacturing agreement.

Auto update already exists for DVB-T. Its called LCN. This is the logical channel number order that exists for the Saorview platform in accordance with Code of Practice for the Placement of Television Services agreed with the BAI.

On Linux boxes, some clever coder developed a plugin many years ago that automates the process of building and updating a bouquet or channel list. It was done by providers and is xml based. It would be simple to copy, but its not going to happen as RTE have no interest in creating a FTA viewing box.

I gather what RTE are currently doing with the connect box is hard coding/maintaining a basic predetermined channel list for satellite that is only updated on software update. Completely different. And in a different access module to the Saorview Channels.

Finally this 7 day epg that people have confused as copyrighted. The Freesat logo and menu system is copyrighted. The epg just like the channels is unencrypted and is not. Free to Air and free use.

There are hundreds of thousands E2 boxes out in the public domain. EPG scraping and grabbing from various providers over the air is built in by default. The OE alliance of developers would have been sued years ago if there were any obvious copyright issues.

+1

and particularly in relation to the manner RTE are locking down their connect box.
Most who have used open systems will attest to the fact that 7 day EPG is expected and not something that is difficult or illegal to attain.

STB.

Open source

ABM - Automatically build and update bouquets from the DVB stream

https://github.com/oe-alliance/AutoBouquetsMaker

Cross EPG

https://github.com/E2OpenPlugins/e2openplugin-CrossEPG

XMLTV - Utilities to obtain, generate, and post-process TV listings data in XMLTV format

https://github.com/XMLTV/xmltv

Irreverent

Anyone able to retune satellite channels on this box? A family member has lost CNN. I can retune the new frequency and it finds CNN HD it but cant seem to save it to the channel list for some reason.

AngryLips

Has the new RTE Player been rolled out to the box for anyone yet?

corm500

AngryLips wrote: »

Has the new RTE Player been rolled out to the box for anyone yet?

Not to me anyhow.

patsryan

Irreverent wrote: »

Anyone able to retune satellite channels on this box? A family member has lost CNN. I can retune the new frequency and it finds CNN HD it but cant seem to save it to the channel list for some reason.

Seen this issue on other channels before. According to developers, Apparently some channels are being broadcasted with the encrypted flag set incorrectly..... but I don’t believe that is it

The Cush

patsryan wrote: »

Seen this issue on other channels before. According to developers, Apparently some channels are being broadcasted with the encrypted flag set incorrectly..... but I don’t believe that is it

Unfortunately this is probably the case, just checked here on my combi TV, CNN HD, CNBC HD, Channel 4 HD, Channel 5 HD, to mention but a few all carry the encrypted flag.

Can the Connect box scan for encrypted channels?

lsjmhar

Quest HD is gone too so no Championship highlights available in HD. Have to watch SD version on Quest+1

The Cush

lsjmhar wrote: »

Quest HD is gone too so no Championship highlights available in HD. Have to watch SD version on Quest+1

Not showing an encrypted flag here on my TV.

kooga

All good here on my triax combo box

Gerry Wicklow

lsjmhar wrote: »

Quest HD is gone too so no Championship highlights available in HD. Have to watch SD version on Quest+1

Quest HD changed TP settings which also affected France 24 , Freesports HD and S4C HD


11426 V 29500, 8/9, DVB-S2, QPSK.

lsjmhar

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

lsjmhar wrote: »

Quest HD is gone too so no Championship highlights available in HD. Have to watch SD version on Quest+1

Quest HD changed TP settings which also affected France 24 , Freesports HD and S4C HD


11426 V 29500, 8/9, DVB-S2, QPSK.

Cheers. I will put those in the settings!!

lsjmhar

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Quest HD changed TP settings which also affected France 24 , Freesports HD and S4C HD


11426 V 29500, 8/9, DVB-S2, QPSK.

I've put in those settings and the box finds the stations, which I save. The now/next epg is showing what show is on but the channel is not appearing for any of the 3, channels - signal not available appearing on screen.

Gerry Wicklow

Are you sure you are selecting the new entries? You may have to delete the old ones first, then add the new settings

lsjmhar

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Are you sure you are selecting the new entries? You may have to delete the old ones first, then add the new settings

I can't delete entries on Connect box. There isn't a way to do this

patsryan

lsjmhar wrote: »

I can't delete entries on Connect box. There isn't a way to do this

Doing a reset is the only way to delete channels. Made the comment to Keri but nothing done. Maybe try a full (automatic) rescan

STB.

lsjmhar wrote: »

I've put in those settings and the box finds the stations, which I save. The now/next epg is showing what show is on but the channel is not appearing for any of the 3, channels - signal not available appearing on screen.

This is one of two things. You are viewing the old entry rather than the newly scanned one OR the box has a problem with channels that have an S/R of 29500. I see no encryption flags on my E2 box.

lsjmhar

STB. wrote: »

lsjmhar wrote: »

I've put in those settings and the box finds the stations, which I save. The now/next epg is showing what show is on but the channel is not appearing for any of the 3, channels - signal not available appearing on screen.

This is one of two things. You are viewing the old entry rather than the newly scanned one OR the box has a problem with channels that have an S/R of 29500. I see no encryption flags on my E2 box.

It may require a factory reset to solve this problem. The E2 boxes are so much simpler to fix than this box. Trying to organise ukfta channels is laborious and problematic also. They need to make this easier!!!

STB.

lsjmhar wrote: »

It may require a factory reset to solve this problem. The E2 boxes are so much simpler to fix than this box. Trying to organise ukfta challenges is laborious and problematic also. They need to make this easier!!!

Well if its a problem displaying channels with a particular S/R or adding new parameters with S/R's not previously defined, then it might require a software update (this happened before in the UK I recall with certain receivers). The encryption flag ECM would be set in the PID of the stream.


On the channel list sorting, is there not an option to upload or download channel lists ? What is the firmware extension on these files ? abs ? bin ?

lsjmhar

STB. wrote: »

Well if its a problem displaying channels with a particular S/R or adding new parameters with S/R's not previously defined, then it might require a software update (this happened before in the UK I recall with certain receivers). The encryption flag ECM would be set in the PID of the stream.


On the channel list sorting, is there not an option to upload or download channel lists ? What is the firmware extension on these files ? abs ? bin ?

This is the Saorview Connect box. I cannot access this info as far as I know. I don't think you can FTP into the connect box