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Boating chit chat thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    That's definitely one for boneheaded boaters of the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    An absolute beauty, and a sight to behold under sail.

    Hopefully she can be repaired and get back in action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    She is (was?) on the market for sale at €6.9 million. She was hit with considerable force, as the colliding vessel's engines were stuck in reverse and there was considerable way on. Comments said she was deeply submerged, so a full refit on top of replacing a large portion of the plates on starboard side plus unknown damage when the port side hit the quay, and potential damage to the keel. I wonder would it be economic? (Though most yards are looking for work given what is happening as a result of Russian oligarchs being smelly.)

    https://www.edmiston.com/yacht-brokerage/yachts/eleonora



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Well the Striker Plate arrived today, and of course the bolts & holes in it are 8mm, and the holes in my P-Bracket are 10mm!!


    I’ll be able to chase out the holes to 10mm easily enough, just need to pick up a HSS drill bit, but I’ll need to try and source the M10 stainless Allen head bolts.

    Marine Parts don’t look like they have them on their site, but I might give them a call tomorrow.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭fergal.b


    Try these https://inox.ie/ he did live in Malahide not sure if he still dose but he should be able to sort you out and is fair on price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Excellent service once again Fergal.

    A pack of bolts & spring washers just ordered.


    Muchas Gracias



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Vendee artic started in France on Sunday. They were meant to sail up around Iceland, down to a mark in the Atlantic and back to France but course has changed this morning because of weather. Was looking at the tracker yesterday and 3 of the boats looked like they were heading into Galway but not north of ireland. The low they're trying to avoid could be coming our way if forecasts for Saturday/Sunday are anything to go by





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    And meanwhile the Round Britain and Ireland fleet are (mostly) on the last leg, and are lolling around the place in no wind and shedloads of tide, the two leaders were anchored off Brighton for a few hours last night. They seem to have got going again, slowly, now.

    Must be an absolute killer!

    Hats off to the 19- and 20-year-old girls doing it two-handed, in the smallest boat. They're paddy last, on handicap and the water, but that is some achievement (assuming they'll finish).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    And now it seems that the Vendée Arctique will be suspended once they pass the virtual mark south of Iceland due to deteriorating conditions.

    Sounds like they can run for shelter, and the race will restart once conditions improve.


    https://www.livesaildie.com/for-safety-reasons-the-vendee-arctique-les-sables-dolonne-race-is-neutralized/



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    This thread rly should be called 'boats and hoes'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Some rather damning comment on the sinking of the SY Eleanora. Starts at 4:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPPd3fv-MNs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Shoutout to the 2 lads that launched their Jet Ski on the slip in Skerries this evening, then started it without clipping the kill cord onto one of themselves and the jet ski proceeded to toddle itself around in circles before one of the lads was able to intercept it and pull the kill cord!!


    They are currently out there now bombing around in between all the moorings noise polluting what is an otherwise lovely evening!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,302 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I want a go on a jetski and then they should be immediately banned 😜



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I love the way jetskiers always say it's a minority of lads who give the whole "sport" a bad name. It's not, it's 95% of them who are the bad name and about 5% who are considerate and respectful of other water users. Electric/silent jet skis can't come soon enough either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,654 ✭✭✭Tow


    It is not that uncommon for a J24 to sink. I believe the cabin hatch was changed/moved to reduce the lightly hood.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Scary 1 this from Australia. Looks like the keel just dropped off a pretty new double hander that's hull #1 in a series




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Washed up near Sydney. No keel at all.

    Story and pic from Sailing Anarchy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Dont think she was for sale from what if seen. Think that's just her photo being used for publicity to sell new hulls, they seem to have been putting push on to get new orders built. They're a bit late to the market with a good 2 hander. Might be a few nervous owners wondering if it's too late to cancel an order



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Daibheid


    If either had bothered with a PLB they'd have been about an hour in the water. First rescue services would have been on the case immediately and second they'd have gone straight to the scene.

    They were lucky to survive that long in those conditions with fatigue and hypothermia but must have had lifejackets at least and rather warmer water than round here.

    It'd be hard to trust any yacht again after experiencing a keel coming off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    That should buff out....

    But in all seriousness, a 2 hander racing yacht capsizes, only 15 miles from shore, and its 12 hours before an alarm is even raised!!!

    That's fairly disturbing....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    It’s just another serious gear failure to add to a growing list of several dozen of the exact same type at this stage, stretching waaay back…. Remember Drum in Fastnet ’79 ? It’s not just Farr – Beneteau (Cheekyrafiki among others) and several designs notably Bavaria also have lost keels through drop-off. It will be interesting to read the Marine report – the two crew were sitting on the hull and reported by a passing merchantman. The ladies were lucky there was a look-out on watch. It’s time people woke up.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Apparently this is happening today/now: https://www.greystonesguide.ie/blazing-paddles/

    Two SUPs from Holyhead to Greystones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Round Britain & Ireland started last Sunday from Cowes. 1st boats only north of Mayo today and the retirals are starting already. Good few mid 30 footers racing which could be a long slow & rationed race





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭traco


    Medallia headed out into the Atlantic to pick up some wind and seems to be paying off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    SY Eleanora has been declared a total loss. She is still fully submerged alongside the quay in Tarragona. The captain of the Spanish rescue that rammed her has been cleared, cause apparently was a mechanical fault. It will be interesting to read the accident report, as there is conflicting info from witnesses (e.g. allegedly dropping anchors to stop way). The insurers went to tender to lift/refloat her - there was pressure from the Port. Most salvors proposed cutting her up and lifting, the winning bid will raise her using airbags.

    Maybe a project for Fergal?😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Well, that's quite the rant!!

    Can't say I disagree with any of it.

    I first saw it posted on FB, and most comments seemed to be in agreement as well.

    AC really do seem to have lost their audience....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I've had close to zero interest in it since probably the 90's...

    Tried watching a few of the races in the last series but they are just so boring, and that really annoying droning noise (I presume it's the hydraulic systems?) was head wrecking.... reminded me of the vuzulveza's from the world cup in South Africa...


    There's just nothing to remotely be excited about watching 2 boats racing when one of them is doing 24 knots, and the other one is doing 35 knots..... And you spend more time watching the computer generated graphic of the race course to actually get an idea of how each boat is doing.....


    Cork (& Ireland) dodged a massive bullet there....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Between the americas Cup & what was the whitbread/volvo both races are so far away from reality now and more about which host cities will pay them the most while trying to squeeze every cent out of the competitors. Was never a mad americas cup fan but at least in the 90s and early 2000s the boats looked something similarish to the regular everyday racer and most people could relate to sail trim etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    It’s decades since I followed the AC for the reasons outlined. That article is short on detail of past rancour. The rules were problematical even in the 1890’s when there were major rows between Lord Dunraven (Valkyrie) and the AC committee / NYYC.  He unsuccessfully tried on two occasions to win back the Cup. In that era the Americans were shameless in their determination to win at all costs, constantly stacking the rules in favour of the defender. He was very upset by what he considered to be the ‘cheating tactics’. He resigned as an honorary member of NYYC before his membership was revoked following his negative comments. He then gave up Americas Cup racing.. One of Dunraven’s bugbears was spectator boats that crowded the course, particularly in his line and following a minor collision with one he was found responsible and penalised. Setting the course offshore would have been fair, but the NYYC refused to allow this for many years. Later the NYYC again changed the rules, requiring entries sail to the event.  In motor racing terms it would be like asking every international F1 team to drive their cars 3000 miles to the circuit before racing. This drew accusations of cheating by the NYYC and responses from them of bad sportsmanship. Dunraven is supposedly the originator of “Britannia rules the waves, but America waives the rules."

    American designer Herreshoff came up with a fairer set of rules (the Universal Rules) but the NYYC refused to accept them fpr more than a decade, which is why Lipton delayed his challenges.

    As a result of the ill-feeling towards Dunraven, NYYC only recently (5 or 6 yrs ago) accepted him into the AC ‘Hall of Fame’ founded c1990

    FWIW Cork did not dodge the AC bullet: there never was a possibility it would come to Ireland. It was a marketing stunt for tourism, fed by media hype and political fluff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,302 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I thought the 2013 AC was one of the most exciting sporting competitions I've ever seen. The development of skills developed during the competition was fascinating. I loved it.

    Foiling ACs, since have been a bit boring, I'll admit.

    But I find the technology and skills development really interesting.

    Best foiling racing I've watched was Superfoilers GP. They were foiling trimarans but with no hydrolics or electronics - all operated with pulleys and ropes. I don't think the class survived past 2019. There's loads of races on YouTube, if you'd like to see exciting foiling racing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Never submitted his celestial navigation logs from the 2000 mile qualifier so find and made to do a 300 mile sail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious



    Thrust me! Lord save us who came up with the name for this yoke?😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Had great craic gluing magnets back onto flywheel today using 100e tube of glue & activator




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    This is the type of thing a captain got away with, before smart phones came along!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Whos liable for that? Tug boats who would have the TS under control or the TS insurers



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Master is responsible for his vessel. In these situations it's always logged as "Masters orders and Pilots advice"...!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    But if you're being pulled by a tug, are you not "not under command"? Different to a pilot on board, I'd have thought....



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Tugs take their orders from the pilot, who is "advising" the captain. They push and pull in the direction they are told to from the ships bridge management team. There may be a share in blame, but the Captain is first in line to take responsibility for the incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,766 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The first casualty from the Golden Globe Race.

    Guy de Boer on the rocks on the north coast of Fuerteventura.

    Pat Lawless is still trucking along in 3rd place.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Tough for him, an experienced solo sailor. Weather was good, sea calm, 15-knots NW. How does one explain to insurers and sponsors how difficult it is to avoid an island the size of Kildare with a mountain on it not much smaller than Carrauntuohil!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    They’re doing this race with zero modern technology aren’t they (except for emergency situations), so it could have been something as simple as sleeping too late or misjudgment of his position by a mile or so…

    Post edited by AndyBoBandy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Could have been asleep and is alarms never woke him up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,076 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    A young persons game, Robin Knox-Johnson was only 29 when he did his trip around.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    This is nuts. Fair play to the Swedish lad for ordering the boat.

    3,100 hp and a top speed of over 100 knots!




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