Old IRA compared to PIRA

Crooked Jack

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Just a reminder
Inan Bashir and John Jeffries were killed in the Canary Wharf bombing

and a lot of people injured
http://www.tobyharnden.com/banditcountry/

and don't forget it was during a ceasefire and in London so unexpected

All along the attitude towards civilians was hand washing because "we issued some sort of warning, it was the authorities fault"



It's the daily mail so scroll down to see the pictures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2243951/The-astonishing-interactive-map-EVERY-bomb-dropped-London-Blitz.html

It was not during a ceasefire. there was in fact a warning given an hour and a half before the blast that the two men sadly ignored in order to close up their shop before evacuating despite being told to leave by police.
The bomb was left in the financial heart of london and caused over £100m of damage. given this, and the warning, its ridiculous to suggest that the goal of this attack was to cause anything other than massive economic damage.
On a side note, this bomb changed John Majors whole attitude to the peace process, which he had so far treated with contempt, and within weeks we had all party talks and the beginning of what would be the GFA.
In terms of this thread, you can bet your life if the "old" IRA had had the tecnology and ability they would have had no problem bombing Britain's financial centre.

Also, what the fu(k is up with that second link? Were the IRA in the Luftwaffe now?

getzls

Crooked Jack wrote: »

clearly not an attempt to kill civilians. A half hour warning was given to clear people from the area.

Oh my God, that was damn decent of them.

You mention about some posters hating Republicans.

No bloody wonder.

Crooked Jack

getzls wrote: »

Oh my God, that was damn decent of them.

You mention about some posters hating Republicans.

No bloody wonder.

Zing! And yet another poster with nothing to add completely misses what we are actually talking about.

.jacksparrow.

getzls wrote: »

Oh my God, that was damn decent of them.

You mention about some posters hating Republicans.

No bloody wonder.

Not what the discussion is about but would hold some credibility in another discussion in another thread.

Capt'n Midnight

Crooked Jack wrote: »

It was not during a ceasefire.

my bad I forget that technically speaking the ceasefire ended at the warning

That sort of insane troll logic is why I don't have a lot of time for the weasel words used by many republicans



http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/10/newsid_2539000/2539265.stm

And what of the 39 others injured ??



The link was to compare the level of bombing during WWII

Also the Luftwaffe killed about 2 civilians per ton of bombs used. How do Republicans compare on that score ?

getzls

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Zing! And yet another poster with nothing to add completely misses what we are actually talking about.

Oh i do thank you.:cool:

Driveby Dogboy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Also the Luftwaffe killed about 2 civilians per ton of bombs used. How do Republicans compare on that score ?

I don't know, but I'd say they got more 'bang' for their buck

Hagar the Nice.

RobFowl wrote: »

Old IRA were gob****es
PIRA were c*nts

You need your head examined if you think the old IRA were what you called them,I assume that if you were alive back then that you'd let a so called foreign empire walk all over you whilst forgetting that so called foreign power once killed people for the wearing of the green.
You are not and never will be an Irishman.:mad:

Hagar the Nice.

goose2005 wrote: »

Of course, but that fails to explain why the PIRA were evil murderers when theirs was a similar conflict carried out through similar means.

Without the PIRA many more Catholics would have been murdered,is your memory that short that you have forgotten the UDA,the UVF,the RHU committed countless atrocities?

timthumbni

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Without the PIRA many more Catholics would have been murdered,is your memory that short that you have forgotten the UDA,the UVF,the RHU committed countless atrocities?

Isn't it amazing the the ira killed more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and RUC combined?

Hagar the Nice.

timthumbni wrote: »

Isn't it amazing the the ira killed more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and RUC combined?

Isn't it amazing that Britain sold Syria nerve gas to kill its own people.?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

Karl Stein

timthumbni wrote: »

Isn't it amazing the the ira killed more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and RUC combined?

It's convenient that the above doesn't include all the weapons 'lost' to loyalist murder gangs from the UDR regiment.

Fratton Fred

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that Britain sold Syria nerve gas to kill its own people.?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

Gas their own people, or help them keep their teeth healthy.

Busted Flat.

getzls wrote: »

Oh my God, that was damn decent of them.

You mention about some posters hating Republicans.

No bloody wonder.

Are they the Republicans in the US that are slaughtering women and children with drones, you are talking about.

Hagar the Nice.

getzls wrote: »

Oh my God, that was damn decent of them.

You mention about some posters hating Republicans.

No bloody wonder.

Fair enough,so please tell me what you think of the UDA and the collusion with the U.K. and of the innocent people killed by them,do you love them?

Crooked Jack

timthumbni wrote: »

Isn't it amazing the the ira killed more Catholics in the modern troubles than the British Army and RUC combined?

And yet some claim theirs was a sectarian campaign. hard to keep up with the anti-republican logic sometimes

timthumbni

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that Britain sold Syria nerve gas to kill its own people.?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520

That's a bit off topic is it not old chap? Actually some of the other shinner bots on here will probably be around to your door soon as they don't like threads going off topic. Though maybe that's only their argument against non shinner bots. Lol

Anyway getting back on topic and succinct answers. Old ira = don't know much about them so won't comment

Pira = murdering scum.

timthumbni

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Without the PIRA many more Catholics would have been murdered,is your memory that short that you have forgotten the UDA,the UVF,the RHU committed countless atrocities?

Btw just to qualify I also think the loyalist paramilitaries were murdering scum as well. Just like the IRA etc.

Hagar the Nice.

timthumbni wrote: »

That's a bit off topic is it not old chap? Actually some of the other shinner bots on here will probably be around to your door soon as they don't like threads going off topic. Though maybe that's only their argument against non shinner bots. Lol

Anyway getting back on topic and succinct answers. Old ira = don't know much about them so won't comment

Pira = murdering scum.

Okay,I'll ask you the same Q I asked getzis.......Fair enough,so please tell me what you think of the UDA and the collusion with the U.K. and of the innocent people killed by them,do you love them?

LordSutch

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

... please tell me what you think of the UDA and the collusion with the U.K.

That statement is meaningless.

Hagar the Nice.

timthumbni wrote: »

Btw just to qualify I also think the loyalist paramilitaries were murdering scum as well. Just like the IRA etc.

You seem to be quite an intellectual person if you don't mind me saying so,so can I ask you a wee Q (again).
What did England hope to gain by visiting the shores of Eire,I know the history of Scotland inside out as I live there so its ingrained in my brain if I'm honest.

Busted Flat.

The situation at the present time is, the brits took a hiding and didn't see any future in holding on to such a bigoted statlet.
It was and still is in certain areas in the statlet a cancer that is still eating away on the brit establishment, and a public sore of what they created. Life has moved on for the majority, they are looking forward to a bright future. It is only the supporters of the extreme loyalists and the last of the brit rump that is on here that can't accept the defeat of the loyalist statlet. Move on whingeing about the past will not bring it back. The future is out there for you bigots, give your kids, and grankids a chance, do not prolong their torture.

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

That statement is meaningless.

...why?

Fratton Fred

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

You seem to be quite an intellectual person if you don't mind me saying so,so can I ask you a wee Q (again).
What did England hope to gain by visiting the shores of Eire,I know the history of Scotland inside out as I live there so its ingrained in my brain if I'm honest.

What did Ireland hope to gain from visiting the shores of Britain?

It's a ridiculous question.

Hagar the Nice.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/14/northernireland.military

LordSutch wrote: »

That statement is meaningless.

Pardon?

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What did Ireland hope to gain from visiting the shores of Britain?

...duty free, back in the day.

LordSutch

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The situation at the present time is, the brits took a hiding and didn't see any future in holding on to such a bigoted statlet.
It was and still is in certain areas in the statlet a cancer that is still eating away on the brit establishment, and a public sore of what they created. Life has moved on for the majority, they are looking forward to a bright future. It is only the supporters of the extreme loyalists and the last of the brit rump that is on here that can't accept the defeat of the loyalist statlet. Move on whingeing about the past will not bring it back. The future is out there for you bigots, give your kids, and grankids a chance, do not prolong their torture.

Almost like a different language written by somebody with a big chip, trapped in a timewarp from a Nationalist history book of yore

Fratton Fred

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The situation at the present time is, the brits took a hiding and didn't see any future in holding on to such a bigoted statlet.
It was and still is in certain areas in the statlet a cancer that is still eating away on the brit establishment, and a public sore of what they created. Life has moved on for the majority, they are looking forward to a bright future. It is only the supporters of the extreme loyalists and the last of the brit rump that is on here that can't accept the defeat of the loyalist statlet. Move on whingeing about the past will not bring it back. The future is out there for you bigots, give your kids, and grankids a chance, do not prolong their torture.

Lol, last time I was in Belfast, apart from a small part off the Falls road, it looked very very British.

timthumbni

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

You seem to be quite an intellectual person if you don't mind me saying so,so can I ask you a wee Q (again).
What did England hope to gain by visiting the shores of Eire,I know the history of Scotland inside out as I live there so its ingrained in my brain if I'm honest.

Maybe the english were after the leprechauns gold under the rainbow at Darby o'gills bridge. Are you seriously asking me my opinion about 100s of years ago why one country did something?

So what you are saying is you are Scottish. Why are you really that concerned anyway? That seems a bit bizarre.

Busted Flat.

LordSutch wrote: »

That statement is meaningless.

Mr Sutch, you must be relatively young not to understand that the black ops outfit of the brit army established and controlled the UDA since its inception.
Armed them and supplied them with targets to take out. Follow all the inquiries that took place, and court cases they were named in.