RVP? Or 3 good strikers.

CastingCouch

I suppose this could go into rate my team thread but looking at changing a few players.

I have RVP and 2 strikers that add nothing (Graham and Moore).

Do ye think more points would be got by bringing in Benteke, Sturridge and Giroud and also bringing in Morrison (won't be played) instead of Tarrabt?

Won't make any changes for a week anyways yet.

Mr.Prodston

There's an RVP-ish thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056994985

Whether we want a fresh one and close the old one or not we should try and keep all the talk in the same thread?

CastingCouch

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

There's an RVP-ish thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056994985

Whether we want a fresh one and close the old one or not we should try and keep all the talk in the same thread?

Yeah sorry I didn't even look before I created this A mod can move it if they feel it's necessary to merge?

Hogey007

ah maybe it's time for the old one to go, most of that talk was pre season and not as relevant now, we also don't have Bale to worry about anymore.

But you say RVP or 3 good strikers? it's very easy to get RVP and 1 good striker and 1 weakish one.

I have RVP, soldado and anelka, i could change anelka to darren bent but might opt for a cheaper striker like chamakh to upgrade my defence a bit.

In midfield I have walcott, hazard and oscar so i'm not exactly put out a weak midfield either.

edit: my defence is on the weak side at present but i have 1.8 in the bank and would get another .5 if i change chamakh in for anelka.

i'd see my final defence when i get to spend my extra money as something like coleman - k.toure - vidic/terry/zab and then turner and shaw to rotate if and when i need a fourth defender, i don't see that as being too bad.

CastingCouch

Hogey007 wrote: »

ah maybe it's time for the old one to go, most of that talk was pre season and not as relevant now, we also don't have Bale to worry about anymore.

But you say RVP or 3 good strikers? it's very easy to get RVP and 1 good striker and 1 weakish one.

I have RVP, soldado and anelka, i could change anelka to darren bent but might opt for a cheaper striker like chamakh to upgrade my defence a bit.

In midfield I have walcott, hazard and oscar so i'm not exactly put out a weak midfield either.

edit: my defence is on the weak side at present but i have 1.8 in the bank and would get another .5 if i change chamakh in for anelka.

i'd see my final defence when i get to spend my extra money as something like coleman - k.toure - vidic/terry/zab and then turner and shaw to rotate if and when i need a fourth defender, i don't see that as being too bad.

If I had RVP and 2 deadwood strikers I'd play 4-5-1

If I had one good striker as well as RVP I'd go 4-4-2 which leaves me with Mata, Fellaini, Taarabt,Larsson in midfield.

I think the 3 good strikers would get more points over the season than Tarrabt and Larsson?

titan18

Costs 26.5m at the start of the 3 strikers in the team above. Could get RVP, Chamakh and someone like Lambert or go less and get Bent or van Wolfswinkel.

Most weeks that would give you two good forwards, and sometimes three depending on fixtures, along with an auto captaincy choice.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Haven't seen a team with RvP that I'd be confident in yet.

If you pick him he's normally your captain you're relying on him for at least a goal and BPs. If he doesn't score, then you're relying on the inexpensive players a lot more than you should be.

Most teams I've seen have 3 good defenders, 2 good midfielders and 1 decent striker, with the rest of the squad being from the bargain bin.

Even when he did score big, like last week, it didn't make that much of a difference. Looking at the top 5 in the boards league, top 2 didn't have him, but 3-5 did.

I don't think RvP would be worth the money 6 weeks out of 10, and getting him requires at least 2 transfers for most people, so is he worth it for me? No.

Hogey007

CastingCouch wrote: »

If I had RVP and 2 deadwood strikers I'd play 4-5-1

If I had one good striker as well as RVP I'd go 4-4-2 which leaves me with Mata, Fellaini, Taarabt,Larsson in midfield.

I think the 3 good strikers would get more points over the season than Tarrabt and Larsson?

i think you missed what i was saying, i was saying that it's possible to have RVP and an excellent striker like Soldado/benteke/giroud beside him and only 1 cheaper striker. still have a strong midfield and decent defence.

you must have a lot tied up in your backline if you need to pick 2 deadwood stikers.

Iused2likebusts

i think ill be going rvp sturridge and soldado from gw 4

Liam O

The OPs team has a major problem in that it doesn't have any attacking players from what will probably be the 2 highest scorers in the league. While I'm happy with my 3 strikers of Sturridge, Giroud and Soldado I have Silva and am waiting on Moyes to see if he is going to play a United AM consistently and if not I'm going to have a decision on my hands in the international week.

Hogey007

THFC wrote: »

Haven't seen a team with RvP that I'd be confident in yet.

If you pick him he's normally your captain you're relying on him for at least a goal and BPs. If he doesn't score, then you're relying on the inexpensive players a lot more than you should be.

Most teams I've seen have 3 good defenders, 2 good midfielders and 1 decent striker, with the rest of the squad being from the bargain bin.

Even when he did score big, like last week, it didn't make that much of a difference. Looking at the top 5 in the boards league, top 2 didn't have him, but 3-5 did.

I don't think RvP would be worth the money 6 weeks out of 10, and getting him requires at least 2 transfers for most people, so is he worth it for me? No.

for me though, i think there's some good value in the bargain basement players, i said it at the start of the season, not just cos he scored today, but i have no problem with brady as my 4th midfielder, i think he's great value, kolo toure as a 5.0 defender, coleman if you got him at 5.0, mignolet at 5.5, they're just a few off the top of my head. others prefer a strong squad, i'm more about trying to get the strongest 11 and then having my back ups as players that play for their club but will probaly never score big. everyone has their own approach but i think you can still pick a very decent team with RVP

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Hogey007 wrote: »

for me though, i think there's some good value in the bargain basement players, i said it at the start of the season, not just cos he scored today, but i have no problem with brady as my 4th midfielder, i think he's great value, kolo toure as a 5.0 defender, coleman if you got him at 5.0, mignolet at 5.5, they're just a few off the top of my head. others prefer a strong squad, i'm more about trying to get the strongest 11 and then having my back ups as players that play for their club but will probaly never score big. everyone has their own approach but i think you can still pick a very decent team with RVP

I agree with you, I've said it before it other threads, it just boils down to the personal preference and how you think the season will pan out. Personally, I just don't think he's worth 14m, others will disagree, but that's their choice. I suppose that's what the game is all about in the end.

finnharpsboy

my team with rvp in

Hogey007

THFC wrote: »

I agree with you, I've said it before it other threads, it just boils down to the personal preference and how you think the season will pan out. Personally, I just don't think he's worth 14m, others will disagree, but that's their choice. I suppose that's what the game is all about in the end.

that's it, each to their own in many aspects of the game. some people are dead against point hits, others have no problem, some prefer to build a strong defence, others neglect it and go with a very very strong forward 7.
i think in most areas i'm pretty balanced, i don't generally like taking hits but due to some poor decisions at the start i've had to. one thing for certain though is that bale's departure (well soon enough) has made it a bit easier to accomodate RVP, before it really was a choice of one or the other, if you went with RVP, you had the fear of not having Bale.

CastingCouch

I have Baines and Zabaleta, who should get plenty of points over the season with the new bonus points system too. I think they're worth their prices.

Mr. Incognito

___________migs___________

Toure_______Zab____coleman ___merts

Countinio_____mirallas_____hazard___kim

Van p_____lukaku (out for giroud)

Bench anelka. Morrison. barnett

I think that is okay for a van persie team. Had ivan week one. Swapped him for coleman. Did luk out for giroud this morning. And will move anelka out next week. Will have 1.3 in bank after that move. Anelka not playing has led to kim at home to city but i am still on 27 with 5 to play including van persie captain. I avoid points hits.

Iused2likebusts

what I dont understand is how come rvp was a must have last year when he reached 14 million(worth 13.5) yet a lot of the same people are now saying he is too expensive at more or less the same price. My approach to rvp will be the same as last year have him in my team when I feel confident to captain him most weeks and take him out when not.

F1ngers

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

what I dont understand is how come rvp was a must have last year when he reached 14 million(worth 13.5) yet a lot of the same people are now saying he is too expensive at more or less the same price. My approach to rvp will be the same as last year have him in my team when I feel confident to captain him most weeks and take him out when not.

When RVP was 14m last year a lot of teams would have been worth a lot more than the starting 100m.

It's a lot easier to spend and justify 14m on a player when your team is worth 110m, than it is spending 14m out of 100m.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

what I dont understand is how come rvp was a must have last year when he reached 14 million(worth 13.5) yet a lot of the same people are now saying he is too expensive at more or less the same price. My approach to rvp will be the same as last year have him in my team when I feel confident to captain him most weeks and take him out when not.

I had him when he was a lot less ffiw, little over 13m iirc

Iused2likebusts

F1ngers wrote: »

When RVP was 14m last year a lot of teams would have been worth a lot more than the starting 100m.

It's a lot easier to spend and justify 14m on a player when your team is worth 110m, than it is spending 14m out of 100m.

Didn't think of that:eek:

bucketybuck

From seeing peoples teams this season, the old saying comes to mind...

"There are two types of people in the world, those who have RVP, and those that don't".

What I mean by that, is that I really see a difference in quality between the two subsets of teams depending on whether they have RVP or not. One group has the likes of Felliani in midfield, the other can afford the Coutinhos and the Walcotts.

I have yet to be convinced that having RVP at 14m is the right decision. I think he will get goals no question about it, but will he get enough goals to cover the difference in the points lost among all your other players? I think not, and if it wasn't for the issue of captaincy there wouldn't even be a question about it.

CSF

RVP and 2 good strikers will be the way to go after the Liverpool match

dahat

RVP+ Bent + Soldado,anyone rate this as a potential WC frontline?

Walcott-Silva + Nolan +Barkley and War Prowse in midfiled...

Lemlin

dahat wrote: »

RVP+ Bent + Soldado,anyone rate this as a potential WC frontline?

Walcott-Silva + Nolan +Barkley and War Prowse in midfiled...

I am looking at a similar midfield. I have RVP, Dzeko and Soldado up front at present.

dahat

Dzeko would stay but rortaion is a big factor,Bent when he gets fir will be first choice,goals are his game and Berbatov can supply him like no other

Soldado or Sturridge even?

Further tweaks...this looks pretty decent to me,best i have come up with

Iused2likebusts

dahat wrote: »

RVP+ Bent + Soldado,anyone rate this as a potential WC frontline?

Walcott-Silva + Nolan +Barkley and War Prowse in midfiled...

bent is great value at 6.5 however he wont be on pens like he was at other clubs which will decrease his goal tally.

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

bent is great value at 6.5 however he wont be on pens like he was at other clubs which will decrease his goal tally.

Are you sure he won't be given penalty duties?

prettyboy81

Lemlin wrote: »

Are you sure he won't be given penalty duties?

No chance once Berba is on the pitch he will take the penalties.

Iused2likebusts

prettyboy81 wrote: »

No chance once Berba is on the pitch he will take the penalties.

Thats what I would assume would be the case.

CastingCouch

I think I'm going to have to ditch RVP. I could get Giroud, Benteke and Sturridge which would better RVPs total and it would also allow me to get Silva instead of Fellaini I think, if I get rid of Baines for a cheap defender.

TimeToShine

I think with the way the BPs are going this year the best option is to skimp on midfield and go for a solid back line and strikers. Bide your time for now, and rest assured there will be plenty of wildcards played in GW3 to address the BP change.

G1032

So RVPs price will rise over the next couple of days. If he bangs in a couple tonight he'll be 14.2 or 14.3 by Saturday morning. That's going to make that little bit harder again to fit him into a team with the WC

Lemlin

prettyboy81 wrote: »

No chance once Berba is on the pitch he will take the penalties.

Did he take them for United? I thought others like Rooney were ahead of him in the pecking order there.

CastingCouch

G1032 wrote: »

So RVPs price will rise over the next couple of days. If he bangs in a couple tonight he'll be 14.2 or 14.3 by Saturday morning. That's going to make that little bit harder again to fit him into a team with the WC

How do you know?

F1ngers

CastingCouch wrote: »

How do you know?

By monitoring the price rise sites.

G1032

CastingCouch wrote: »

How do you know?

FISO

Inspector Coptoor

I've RVP, Dzeko & Benteke

qwabercd

G1032 wrote: »

So RVPs price will rise over the next couple of days. If he bangs in a couple tonight he'll be 14.2 or 14.3 by Saturday morning. That's going to make that little bit harder again to fit him into a team with the WC

If he doesnt score tonight his price won't rise. If he scores 1 I can't see his price going past 14.1 this week, as too many people have him already, and there are too many other strikers doing well.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Did he take them for United? I thought others like Rooney were ahead of him in the pecking order there.

he has been taking them successfully for fulham doesnt strike me as the type of individual that will give up taking the pens

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

he has been taking them successfully for fulham doesnt strike me as the type of individual that will give up taking the pens

All the talk is of Berba playing now in a more withdrawn role and Bent being the main striker.

Fulham need a goal scorer and what better way to get Bent's confidence up than letting him take them.

I think it's a great bit of business by Jol tbh. He's got a proven top drawer PL striker on loan, a player who is only 29 so far from past it.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

All the talk is of Berba playing now in a more withdrawn role and Bent being the main striker.

Fulham need a goal scorer and what better way to get Bent's confidence up than letting him take them.

I think it's a great bit of business by Jol tbh. He's got a proven top drawer PL striker on loan, a player who is only 29 so far from past it.

it would antagonise fulhams captain and best player though so cant see the sense in it myself. Anyway bent is a great signing both in real terms and ff. The peno issue depending on what way it goes is probably a 15/20 pt swing.Turns him from a good option to a very good option imo.

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

it would antagonise fulhams captain and best player though so cant see the sense in it myself. Anyway bent is a great signing both in real terms and ff. The peno issue depending on what way it goes is probably a 15/20 pt swing.Turns him from a good option to a very good option imo.

Ah but you're assuming it would antagonise him.

Bent is now the main striker at the club. Berba is a creator.

As he didn't take penos at United, why would it anger him for the primary goal scoring striker at Fulham to take them?

I just think there has to be some doubt there until Fulham get a peno and both are on the pitch.

Mr.Prodston

Whoever is the penalty taker should take penalties. In my eyes it'd be madness to take somebody of Berb's class of penalty duties unless Bent really would be better?

Lemlin

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Whoever is the penalty taker should take penalties. In my eyes it'd be madness to take somebody of Berb's class of penalty duties unless Bent really would be better?

I just remember an article from a few years back where Steve Bruce said Bent was one of the best penalty takers he'd ever seen.

I don't know where you could get stats about penos taken/missed etc.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

As a matter of interest how did the RvP teams get on? Especially those who captained him.

Paully D

Lemlin wrote: »

I just remember an article from a few years back where Steve Bruce said Bent was one of the best penalty takers he'd ever seen.

I don't know where you could get stats about penos taken/missed etc.

He used to give me heart palpitations whenever he stepped up to take a penalty for us :pac: He seemed to always scuff them and the keeper would nearly always go the right way, but still the ball would end up in the back of the net.

Searching for an exact statistic I could only find one and while not exact, it did state he had scored 50 Premier League goals of which 10 were penalties from 2007-2011. I think he missed 3 in that period (2 in 1 game against Spurs for us).

Don't expect any assists from him though. He had 1 in 63 games the last time I checked.

He will be going into my team once I wildcard next week. An absolute bargain at £6.5m and will score 12-15 this season IMO.

Hogey007

THFC wrote: »

As a matter of interest how did the RvP teams get on? Especially those who captained him.

i got 56 this week with RVP, i think that's a reasonable score for this week, although it's hard to guage things on a weekly basis, for instance this week RVP did f**k all in a poor game but my squad players like brady performed well.

i think it's fairer to judge it over a 4 or 5 week period, because i got lucky that my 4th mid did so well but RVP was involved in a game where both managers were happy to get a draw.

i'd be surprised if RVP got more than 6 or 7 points v liverpool at the weekend either but after that it's open season.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Hogey007 wrote: »

i got 56 this week with RVP, i think that's a reasonable score for this week, although it's hard to guage things on a weekly basis, for instance this week RVP did f**k all in a poor game but my squad players like brady performed well.

i think it's fairer to judge it over a 4 or 5 week period, because i got lucky that my 4th mid did so well but RVP was involved in a game where both managers were happy to get a draw.

i'd be surprised if RVP got more than 6 or 7 points v liverpool at the weekend either but after that it's open season.

With the way the BP system is shaping up I'm starting to think RvP will be worth. At the minute I have a very balanced team, but I'm thinking of downgrading 2 of midfielders for van Persie. I think defenders will outscore midfs, as a clean sheet, depending on who gets it, is worth min 6 points. 4-3-3 is definitely looking like the formation of choice. I know it's very early but I'm worried that I'm not acting quick enough, and if I do act, I'm worried that it's too rash. The joys of being a fantasy manager..:o

Hogey007

THFC wrote: »

With the way the BP system is shaping up I'm starting to think RvP will be worth. At the minute I have a very balanced team, but I'm thinking of downgrading 2 of midfielders for van Persie. I think defenders will outscore midfs, as a clean sheet, depending on who gets it, is worth min 6 points. 4-3-3 is definitely looking like the formation of choice. I know it's very early but I'm worried that I'm not acting quick enough, and if I do act, I'm worried that it's too rash. The joys of being a fantasy manager..:o

as i said to you in a post the other day, everyone has their own style and some prefer a balanced squad but i'll try get a very good starting 11 and hope my subs aren't called on much but try make sure they play when i need them. you can create a good team around RVP by picking up some of the bargain players, there's value to be had in toure at 5.0, vidic at 6.0, terry at 6.0, even dawson at 5.0 you can still pick 2 top quality mid's and 1 very good mid, along with a bargain mid like brady, redmond, rosicky. and have a very good striker like soldado or benteke alongside RVP. it's worth looking at, things might change before the window closes, chelsea might sign a striker who's nailed on to play but as things stand i can't look past RVP, i know i can captain him almost any week, as good as city's strikers are i could never captain any of them and that really takes away from their value. as things stand, RVP soldado and one other looks like a great strikeforce.

JokerD

Hogey007 wrote: »

as i said to you in a post the other day, everyone has their own style and some prefer a balanced squad but i'll try get a very good starting 11 and hope my subs aren't called on much but try make sure they play when i need them. you can create a good team around RVP by picking up some of the bargain players, there's value to be had in toure at 5.0, vidic at 6.0, terry at 6.0, even dawson at 5.0 you can still pick 2 top quality mid's and 1 very good mid, along with a bargain mid like brady, redmond, rosicky. and have a very good striker like soldado or benteke alongside RVP. it's worth looking at, things might change before the window closes, chelsea might sign a striker who's nailed on to play but as things stand i can't look past RVP, i know i can captain him almost any week, as good as city's strikers are i could never captain any of them and that really takes away from their value. as things stand, RVP soldado and one other looks like a great strikeforce.

Seriously caught in two minds, I'm looking at VanPersie or Aguero,

With VanPersie; Dzeko VanPersie Sturridge

With Aguero; Beneteke Aguero Sturridge

Just don't know what to do at the minute, is Aguero worth £11m if people can envisage City rotation. I thought Dzeko, Negredo and Jovetic being big men might be fighting for a place as Aguero does a different job. However I haven't seen enough of the new lads to make a definite call, just going by bits I seen.

Jimmy Iovine

I know a lad who has Benteke, Aguero and Van Persie as his starting forward line. That's £34 million he has spent on only three players. He has also managed to squeeze Hazard and Navas in there.

Unsurprisingly, the rest of his team is crap, bar Coleman, and he is languishing down in 1,500,000th place or thereabouts.

If getting RvP into your team, don't do what that chap has done.