putting a price on FYM.

just do it

delaval wrote: »

Don't know, I did all this testing years ago and was spreading all sorts if stuff after at kilos/ acre. It cost a fortune and a phucking consultant near broke me.

Simple soil test every two years, 20 units S in June PK and Urea growing 15 tonnes dm

When and how do you supply the PK?

What am I doing wrong?

The only thing your doing wrong is making me jealous

just do it

Delaval

I think you posted previously about improving your SOM with composted woodchip? I take it from that you've a pad. How's that working out, and how do you compost it (or deal with the used layer) each year?

delaval

I apply p&k to soil results and to what is being removed

I use urea in early spring and summer when I really need to get things moving.

I am a believer in front loading N. I now seem to be using more compounds than straight N

jersey101

Had to order a new lid for the muck spreader today, should be here monday going to spread behind the cows for the next round

bob charles

jersey101 wrote: »

Had to order a new lid for the muck spreader today, should be here monday going to spread behind the cows for the next round

rear discharge is the only way to spread dung/compost properly.side spreaders are the haybobs of dung:D

jersey101

bob charles wrote: »

rear discharge is the only way to spread dung/compost properly.side spreaders are the haybobs of dung:D

im only a poor dairy farmer sure no point in me getting one im going to be cutting down on the amount of dung i will have in the next few years. And to get someone to spread is 100e an hour

Timmaay

Jersey you should work out between diesel and paying yourself say 10quid an hr, how much in total it costs you to spread say a full pit of dung, then compare that to the total cost of the contractor, even at 100quid an hr I'm willing to bet there isn't much in it as he'll get it done way quicker. Well I don't know about your area, but up around here there are plenty enough contractors in competition with eachother so it doesn't take me long to find some bugger who is willing to do whatever work for cheaper than its worth me annoying myself with small machines etc!

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey you should work out between diesel and paying yourself say 10quid an hr, how much in total it costs you to spread say a full pit of dung, then compare that to the total cost of the contractor, even at 100quid an hr I'm willing to bet there isn't much in it as he'll get it done way quicker. Well I don't know about your area, but up around here there are plenty enough contractors in competition with eachother so it doesn't take me long to find some bugger who is willing to do whatever work for cheaper than its worth me annoying myself with small machines etc!

gret post, the amount they will spread in an hour is unreal

freedominacup

bob charles wrote: »

rear discharge is the only way to spread dung/compost properly.side spreaders are the haybobs of dung:D

There's a statement designed to pi$$ off as many people as possible.

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

Jersey you should work out between diesel and paying yourself say 10quid an hr, how much in total it costs you to spread say a full pit of dung, then compare that to the total cost of the contractor, even at 100quid an hr I'm willing to bet there isn't much in it as he'll get it done way quicker. Well I don't know about your area, but up around here there are plenty enough contractors in competition with eachother so it doesn't take me long to find some bugger who is willing to do whatever work for cheaper than its worth me annoying myself with small machines etc!

it would work out cheaper i know but i have the machines and i dont think a contractor will come this time of the year to spread dung behind the cows. The father dont like gettin all the work done by contractors got let done alot when he was younger

delaval

freedominacup wrote: »

There's a statement designed to pi$$ off as many people as possible.

Correct though

delaval

just do it wrote: »

Delaval

I think you posted previously about improving your SOM with composted woodchip? I take it from that you've a pad. How's that working out, and how do you compost it (or deal with the used layer) each year?

JDI

We romove in April and pile it high on a disused silo. We will move and re pile in Nov we will move again in spring and spread the following Oct.

So it's piled and moved 2-3 times and spread 18 mts later. It's as close to compost without getting into big expense.

We would use 6-700 bales of draw for bedding also and this is not spread till the following year.

I won't spread strawy dung ever. On tillage it takes from the soil to break it down and in grass sits on to for too long

Also with composting you end up paying contractor for less hours

Wood chip needs time to degrade.

I am a big fan of FYM and straw bedding. Unlike slurry you have less windows to spread it.

bob charles

freedominacup wrote: »

There's a statement designed to pi$$ off as many people as possible.

I know:), who can say im wrong though

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

JDI

We romove in April and pile it high on a disused silo. We will move and re pile in Nov we will move again in spring and spread the following Oct.

So it's piled and moved 2-3 times and spread 18 mts later. It's as close to compost without getting into big expense.

We would use 6-700 bales of draw for bedding also and this is not spread till the following year.

I won't spread strawy dung ever. On tillage it takes from the soil to break it down and in grass sits on to for too long

Also with composting you end up paying contractor for less hours

Wood chip needs time to degrade.

I am a big fan of FYM and straw bedding. Unlike slurry you have less windows to spread it.

you must make ideal stuff so. I hated that wood chip stuff as it locked up god only knows how much N when applied. I hope all those storage silos are under cover or else you better have your pants off when the council call around:D. Shifting dung/compost 4 times requires time and money. one of the windrow yokes the composters have would be the muts nuts. Think its either a 14 or 16 week cycle those guys operate from start to finish

freedominacup

bob charles wrote: »

I know:), who can say im wrong though

Give it time they're thinking:D.

I can smell the smoke.

st1979

jersey101 wrote: »

im only a poor dairy farmer sure no point in me getting one im going to be cutting down on the amount of dung i will have in the next few years. And to get someone to spread is 100e an hour

Thats serious dear It's 45 euro/hr for bunning rear discharge spreader around here I can get loan of 9 meter rotaspreader and even at that I reckon the contractor is cheaper. No hassle with cords in dung or foreign objects

jersey101

st1979 wrote: »

Thats serious dear It's 45 euro/hr for bunning rear discharge spreader around here I can get loan of 9 meter rotaspreader and even at that I reckon the contractor is cheaper. No hassle with cords in dung or foreign objects

maybe im wrong then thats what my neighbour told me that the local contractor charged

st1979

jersey101 wrote: »

maybe im wrong then thats what my neighbour told me that the local contractor charged

Would imagine he got 2 spreaders and loader for that. 3hrs of them on a short draw would clear serious amount of dung

freedominacup

st1979 wrote: »

Would imagine he got 2 spreaders and loader for that. 3hrs of them on a short draw would clear serious amount of dung

Including vat that would barely cover a rear discharge spreader and loader. In terms of output you are comparing self propelled versus single chop though.

bob charles

I pay 65 all in per hour which works out at € a ton to spread only. Maybe Im being rode but im happy with the job and output and the guy is sound and comes when I ask. I will gladly pay a €10 an hour too much to have the contractor here on dry days

delaval

We get a crowd with two massive Bergman spreaders and we load. €120/hour. These spreaders are rear discharge and have discs like a lime spreader. Really even job

They would move some muck in a day. Loading them is as busy as a day on the silage pit, it's relentless. I would leave in a pile before going back to side spreaders.

jersey101

delaval wrote: »

We get a crowd with two massive Bergman spreaders and we load. €120/hour. These spreaders are rear discharge and have discs like a lime spreader. Really even job

They would move some muck in a day. Loading them is as busy as a day on the silage pit, it's relentless. I would leave in a pile before going back to side spreaders.

rear discharge spreaders are the job but my father likes doing all the work ourselves and is fairly stuck in his ways

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

We get a crowd with two massive Bergman spreaders and we load. €120/hour. These spreaders are rear discharge and have discs like a lime spreader. Really even job

They would move some muck in a day. Loading them is as busy as a day on the silage pit, it's relentless. I would leave in a pile before going back to side spreaders.

Pit work would be easy compared to loading spreaders. Done it with a 360 one day and it was the business. We were spotting upto 100t an hr I would think :cool:

Timmaay

Delaval/jersey, yous always leave the dung in a disused pit? We put ours out in the field during the summer, either in a small 1/2 acre wet paddock beside the yard, or down in one of the sandy fields. We had 18months worth of stuff to be spread last sept, both fields with the heaps were still very wet, chap in the digger had fun loading it, spent more time drifting the digger than driving straight with it. Ground is dry now so we'll be ok this year, but its far from ideal in the future. Next year I might try leave it in a field right next to a laneway so as at least there will be less tearing up of the field.

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

Delaval/jersey, yous always leave the dung in a disused pit? We put ours out in the field during the summer, either in a small 1/2 acre wet paddock beside the yard, or down in one of the sandy fields. We had 18months worth of stuff to be spread last sept, both fields with the heaps were still very wet, chap in the digger had fun loading it, spent more time drifting the digger than driving straight with it. Ground is dry now so we'll be ok this year, but its far from ideal in the future. Next year I might try leave it in a field right next to a laneway so as at least there will be less tearing up of the field.

we gave up putting it in a field years ago makes some mess of the field

Rovi

Is it even legal to field store it any more?

jersey101

Rovi wrote: »

Is it even legal to field store it any more?

is that not during the closed period ?

delaval

Rovi wrote: »

Is it even legal to field store it any more?

No prob. Can't do in closed period, water courses etc

delaval

Timmaay wrote: »

Delaval/jersey, yous always leave the dung in a disused pit? We put ours out in the field during the summer, either in a small 1/2 acre wet paddock beside the yard, or down in one of the sandy fields. We had 18months worth of stuff to be spread last sept, both fields with the heaps were still very wet, chap in the digger had fun loading it, spent more time drifting the digger than driving straight with it. Ground is dry now so we'll be ok this year, but its far from ideal in the future. Next year I might try leave it in a field right next to a laneway so as at least there will be less tearing up of the field.

Tim

We would use a 360 if in a field and its anyway greasy. No damage and leaves level for seeding.

My neighbour uses 360 for all loading inc beet. Would load a lorry in a third of the time

bob charles

I was going to say all you boys holding dung for over closed period would be in serious trouble with a Nitrates inspection. Even the eye in the sky will cope a heap of dung. I had a guy out as two field side by side were incorrectly marked for beet instead of wheat and vice versa.