Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

Almaviva

bodice ripper wrote: »

There are LOADS of people ready to try, maybe we should try some of them instead...

I wonder how many applications DB would receive if they advertised driver jobs with a 30k salary ? There would be plenty overtime for the HR department for a start....

Stabshauptmann

cdebru wrote: »

Oh you got your facts from here, well you obviously put a lot of effort into it then no wonder you want to stick to it.

I've posted the links, quoted them and attached calcs 2-3 time now. Search thread by my user name. Its not a massively difficult skill

cdebru

bodice ripper wrote: »

There are LOADS of people ready to try, maybe we should try some of them instead...

Well you will have your chance in September when they start hiring, lets see you do it ;-)

Almaviva

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Thank you; I just want to cross reference that and see if it tots. Approx how many bus drivers are there?

I wouldnt know sorry. Not that it will cross reference with anything I think. The 22k is what it should be if it could shake off the legacy of a dinosaur semi state.

cdebru

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

I've posted the links, quoted them and attached calcs 2-3 time now. Search thread by my user name. Its not a massively difficult skill

Not a difficult skill to understand an average is a a useless statistic unless you know the standard deviation, most people would learn that in secondary school you obviously missed that day.

cdebru

Almaviva wrote: »

You've probably hit the nub of the problem and unrealistic wage expectation right there.

A wage that is below the average industrial wage is hardly an unrealistic wage expectation.

Almaviva

cdebru wrote: »

A wage that is below the average industrial wage is hardly an unrealistic wage expectation.

Is that really what you meant to say ?
If so, I agree with you. Sombody's gotta be below average.

cdebru

Foxtrol wrote: »

Well it’s much more functioning than the weekly national strike utopia that would have happened over the last few years if everyone was in co-operating unions like the OP was claiming was the ideal.

I think I’m still waiting on your explanation from yesterday as to why the drivers/unions belief that an archaic 15 minute travel time payment is a legitimate thing to fight/strike to keep in this day and age? It may not have been you who I asked but seeing as there seems to be a few recent posters who appear to have a deep knowledge of drivers terms and conditions it would be nice to hear.

Anyone care to explain how that isn’t massively out of touch?

15 minutes travelling time when you start and finish your days work in a different location is perhaps a little on the low side really depends on how far apart the starting and finishing locations are.

cdebru

Almaviva wrote: »

Is that really what you meant to say ?
If so, I agree with you. Sombody's gotta be below average.

And Dublin Bus drivers are already below the average, get it now ?

Almaviva

cdebru wrote: »

And Dublin Bus drivers are already below the average, get it now ?

end of the road

bodice ripper wrote: »

There are LOADS of people ready to try, maybe

no there isn't

bodice ripper wrote: »

we should try some of them instead...

no, we have enough bus drivers to cover the demand for the moment thanks

Busted Flat.

How much does the head honcho get for his incompetence, should that salary be cut too a hundred k till he gets his house in order, I am sure their are other public transport companies head hunting him for his talents, if he doesn't like it.

cdebru

Foxtrol wrote: »

Overtime at 3 times for public holidays??

Which is how many days out of the year ? and it is as rare as hens teeth, ask DB how many hours they paid at that rate in the last year.

Not unreasonable though given the unsocial aspect of working bank holidays.

Personally I think they should pay what they want and make it completely voluntary as to who wants to work bank holidays.

cdebru

Busted Flat. wrote: »

How much does the head honcho get for his incompetence, should that salary be cut too a hundred k till he gets his house in order, I am sure their are other public transport companies head hunting him for his talents, if he doesn't like it.

190k

cdebru

Almaviva wrote: »

Ok I will type it slowly for you, if the wage is already below the average industrial wage it is hardly an unrealistic wage expectation.

Stabshauptmann

cdebru wrote: »

3236 employees actually and the average includes managers, supervisors, and 10 senior managers that are earning over 100k, now it doesn't take a chimpanzee to understand that dividing the wages bill by the number of employees does not give you a drivers salary when a third of the employees are not bus drivers.


33k is the basic pay shift allowances bring it to about 38.5k

I'm going to take the figures from the latest published accounts, so thats 3345 employees and the article I saw was 9 senior management exl CEO.

Using your figures of 33% non-bus drivers and a 38.5k pay packet Dublin Bus payroll looks like this:

Approx Avg Salary No. Employees Net
CEO 188.0 1 188
Senior Management 10.0 9 90
Non-Bus Drivers 61.9 1,105 68,374
Bus Drivers 38.5 2,230 85,855

Total 3,345 154,507


I am very surprised that there are over 1,100 people earning on average over 60k per year that don't drive buses. I had assumed a much smaller back room staff.

Stabshauptmann

cdebru wrote: »

Ok I will type it slowly for you, if the wage is already below the average industrial wage it is hardly an unrealistic wage expectation.

Where are you getting average industrial wage.

cdebru

Gatling wrote: »

Typical bus driver over hyping themselfs

There it is again, what did you fail the aptitude test, is that where all this bitterness is coming from ?

cdebru

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Where are you getting average industrial wage.

search the user on the thread it is not a difficult skill remember ?

Stabshauptmann

Almaviva wrote: »

I wouldnt know sorry. Not that it will cross reference with anything I think. The 22k is what it should be if it could shake off the legacy of a dinosaur semi state.

Sorry, thought you were saying bus drivers earned 30k. You are actually giving you opinion on what they should earn, yes?

Busted Flat.

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

I'm going to take the figures from the latest published accounts, so thats 3345 employees and the article I saw was 9 senior management exl CEO.

Using your figures of 33% non-bus drivers and a 38.5k pay packet Dublin Bus payroll looks like this:

Approx Avg Salary No. Employees Net
CEO 188.0 1 188
Senior Management 10.0 9 90
Non-Bus Drivers 61.9 1,105 68,374
Bus Drivers 38.5 2,230 85,855

Total 3,345 154,507


I am very surprised that there are over 1,100 people earning on average over 60k per year that don't drive buses. I had assumed a much smaller back room staff.

Compare that staff level to the HSE. You would not be surprised, you would be shocked.

Almaviva

cdebru wrote: »

Ok I will type it slowly for you, if the wage is already below the average industrial wage it is hardly an unrealistic wage expectation.

1) Many jobs are not worth the average industrial wage. Therefore those in those jobs, expecting to get that wage, are unrealistic.

2) DB driver earn considerably more than the AIW. Their wages are too high. They have no case, and dont realise how good they already have it.

Stabshauptmann

cdebru wrote: »

search the user on the thread it is not a difficult skill remember ?

CSO doesnt gather average industrial wage. Hasnt for years. Something to do with only 20-30% of population working in industry...

Stabshauptmann

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Compare that staff level to the HSE. You would not be surprised, you would be shocked.

Lets not get off topic with HSE, can anyone corroborate those figures for Dublin Bus

homerjay2005

2nd best paid bus drivers in europe according to the front page of the daily mail today.

cdebru

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

I'm going to take the figures from the latest published accounts, so thats 3345 employees and the article I saw was 9 senior management exl CEO.

Using your figures of 33% non-bus drivers and a 38.5k pay packet Dublin Bus payroll looks like this:

Approx Avg Salary No. Employees Net
CEO 188.0 1 188
Senior Management 10.0 9 90
Non-Bus Drivers 61.9 1,105 68,374
Bus Drivers 38.5 2,230 85,855

Total 3,345 154,507


I am very surprised that there are over 1,100 people earning on average over 60k per year that don't drive buses. I had assumed a much smaller back room staff.

you are using, 2011 figures and are just making **** up, drivers basic salary is 33 shift allowances bring it to around 38.5.

thats the facts

tanguy pouliquen

I do support them, like I think most of the people who stand up for their right deserve support. I think not all of them are very nice,fews years ago one of them asked me to get some change on a 20 punts note, left me in the pavement, and nearly miss my flight.Still, when is the limit going to be reach when peoples will have to give up lots of things and get nothing in return except the right to shut up? Strike seems to be extrem, but well, sometimes it's the last resort peoples will have to be heard.

cdebru

Almaviva wrote: »

1) Many jobs are not worth the average industrial wage. Therefore those in those jobs, expecting to get that wage, are unrealistic.

2) DB driver earn considerably more than the AIW. Their wages are too high. They have no case, and dont realise how good they already have it.

No they don't AIW is 43k DB driver is 38.5

cdebru

homerjay2005 wrote: »

2nd best paid bus drivers in europe according to the front page of the daily mail today.

Must be true so.

cdebru

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

CSO doesnt gather average industrial wage. Hasnt for years. Something to do with only 20-30% of population working in industry...

It can still be calculated from the CSO figures