Methods of Execution.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The death penalty thread is back again this weekend. So lets say we take it on, what method would you use?

The oldest one is probably hanging, the British had the long drop system which supposedly broke the neck on impact (after the trap door had been pulled) The condemned man or woman's height and weight were taken into account when setting the drop. Apparently the person would feel nothing after impact (unconscious), however the body could take 30-45 minutes to die (half hung Mary for eg who survived the long drop) . Hence they were left hanging for a regulation 3 hours before being cut down.

Electric Chair. I always found this a rather gruesome method, it doesn't always work right. The case of Alan Davis in Florida for example in 2000. He was a monster but he suffered something fierce on the night of his execution when the chair malfunctioned. Staff were prosecuted after it (Cruel and Unusual Punishment) and the chair method was banned from Florida State afterwards.

Lethal injection I suppose seems the most humane course but that has also seen some horror stories, most notably Robyn Lee Parks who was executed in front of media members. He had a violent reaction, he went into violent spasm and screamed and contorted for 11 minutes before dying. 'Painful ugly and scary' as one reporter commented.

knucklehead6

It'll never happen, but the guillotine was efficient and left no doubt as to timeframe.

clairefontaine

None.

martinedwards

no repeat offenders form a guillotine.

Thom Merrilin

Nice cheery festive thread, just in time for christmas

tritium

If you're going to embrace the barbarism of the death penalty at least have the balls to do it properly instead of pretending its all nice and painless.

Schapism or the brass bull, see how long we think the death penalty is remotely civilised after those.

Ghost Train

Death by snu snu

Bruthal

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

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Electric Chair. I always found this a rather gruesome method, it doesn't always work right. The case of Alan Davis in Florida for example in 2000. He was a monster but he suffered something fierce on the night of his execution when the chair malfunctioned. Staff were prosecuted after it (Cruel and Unusual Punishment) and the chair method was banned from Florida State afterwards.

Well, it did work, he was dead after it, from electrocution.

Turtyturd

Bruthal wrote: »

Well, it did work, he was dead after it, from electrocution.

OP is obviously getting mixed up with the near death penalty.

Pensivepuca

I say a death by a shooting squad would be pretty quick, compared to injections or hanging.

Sunnyisland

Firing squad, not that it will ever happen or even that it is a deterrent.

Bruthal

martinedwards wrote: »

no repeat offenders form a guillotine.

Any from any other executed?

namloc1980

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The death penalty thread is back again this weekend. So lets say we take it on, what method would you use?

We won't be taking it on. Thankfully we are beyond this in Ireland.

Gummy Panda

Death by high speed project at immovable mass e.g. fire you out of a canon against a wall.

9959

Hanging, Drawing and Quartering is the only thing they'll understand, particularly those pesky 12 year old unemployed chimney sweeps making a nuisance of themselves on the Luas Red Line.

Bruthal

realies wrote: »

Firing squad, not that it will ever happen or even that it is a deterrent.

It was available in Utah up to 2004, and was an option inmates could choose. I think 3 are still awaiting execution who chose it before it was removed as an option, so it might still happen.

Gummy Panda

Bruthal wrote: »

It was available in Utah up to 2004, and was an option inmates could choose. I think 3 are still awaiting execution who chose it before it was removed as an option, so it might still happen.

I always thought firing squad was reserved for soldiers for some reason

DEFTLEFTHAND

realies wrote: »

Firing squad, not that it will ever happen or even that it is a deterrent.

Firing squad always reminds me of Robert Erskine Childers an English man who pursued Irish Freedom. He was a member of the Anglo Irish Treaty delegation in 1921.

The Free State arrested and sentenced him to death for the possession of a handgun in 1922. When the firing squad lined up initially they paused for some reason when the order was given. Childers then spoke, he said 'come closer boys, it will be easier for you.'

His son Erskine H Childers later became President of Ireland.

Bruthal

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I always thought firing squad was reserved for soldiers for some reason

I think it probably was at one stage alright.

Bruthal

knucklehead6 wrote: »

It'll never happen, but the guillotine was efficient and left no doubt as to timeframe.

Unless they jammed part way through. Likely happened now and again.

joolsveer

Bruthal wrote: »

Unless they jammed part way through. Likely happened now and again.

It happened in the movie La veuve de Saint Pierre and the victim had to be decapitated with a knife.

A great movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191636/

kneemos

A bullet in the head is fairly reliable and painless.Much prefer to electrocution or injection.

Sunnyisland

Bruthal wrote: »

It was available in Utah up to 2004, and was an option inmates could choose. I think 3 are still awaiting execution who chose it before it was removed as an option, so it might still happen.

Was really talking about it happening here :o As far as I know in China its the most common form of execution,they even have a mobile execution van drive around ,less of a mess although its not the firing sqad its by lethal injection...


The execution van, also called a mobile execution unit, was developed by the government of the People's Republic of China and were first used in 1997...

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mobile%20van%20in%20china%20for%20excuting&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FExecution_van&ei=fhT-UfnMIaq47AaMm4HADg&usg=AFQjCNFln3mAWgPxZUUvoMQGYYAdhGFzxg&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZGU

Ten of Swords

Nitrogen Asphyxiation seems to be the method of the future...

http://www.gistprobono.org/ihhp/id1.html

kneemos

realies wrote: »

Was really talking about it happening here :o As far as I know in China its the most common form of execution,they even have a mobile execution van drive around ,less of a mess although its not the firing sqad its by lethal injection...


The execution van, also called a mobile execution unit, was developed by the government of the People's Republic of China and were first used in 1997...

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mobile%20van%20in%20china%20for%20excuting&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FExecution_van&ei=fhT-UfnMIaq47AaMm4HADg&usg=AFQjCNFln3mAWgPxZUUvoMQGYYAdhGFzxg&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZGU

Probably not these days as they'll want to preserve the organs,god knows what they do to them.

dodderangler

namloc1980 wrote: »

We won't be taking it on. Thankfully we are beyond this in Ireland.

Yup so instead we just keep our murderers in a nice cosy cell and spend thousands a year feeding them and looking after them and sure maybe let them out on good behaviour.


Put a blindfold on and get on the knees and face the wall. Bullet to the head. Same way the Chinese do it. End of story

Nodferatu

Must google alan davis now

mike65

Tickle stick. Slow and the pain as the laugher became breathless would be long lasting before finally either the guilty died of heart failure or lack of air.

Guy:Incognito

realies wrote: »

Firing squad, not that it will ever happen or even that it is a deterrent.

Doesnt have to be a deterrant, just has to stop reoffending.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Nodferatu wrote: »

Must google alan davis now

Allen Lee Davis was his full name. I misspelled his first name in the OP.

mickpat

When filling out the death certs for executed prisoners in America, the reason for death is filled in as homicide. Says it all really.

Sunnyisland

dodderangler wrote: »

Yup so instead we just keep our murderers in a nice cosy cell and spend thousands a year feeding them and looking after them and sure maybe let them out on good behaviour.


Put a blindfold on and get on the knees and face the wall. Bullet to the head. Same way the Chinese do it. End of story

Doesn't seem to be curbing crime in china all the same,unless you're talking about revenge which is quite another topic..

China faces a new threat of widespread crime and violence this year after a sharp jump in the number of violent crimes in 2009, an annual legal research report by the country's top think-tank warned Thursday.
Last year saw a "drastic increase" in violent crimes, crimes against property, crimes disrupting the market economic order, and crimes disrupting social stability, according to the report on China's Rule of Law released by the Social Sciences Academic Press Thursday. http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=chinease%20crime%20is%20it%20rising&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CGEQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asiaone.com%2FNews%2FLatest%252BNews%2FAsia%2FStory%2FA1Story20100226-201021.html&ei=Hx_-Ua77DK2R7AaitICgCw&usg=AFQjCNH-FENal7aKozIWTIgycwq_CpPP-w&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZGU

stefan idiot jones

The Vikings used to cut open your stomach, pull out your intestines and tie you to a tree with them.
Phoenix Park would be a great place to do that.

stefan idiot jones

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Yeah they didn't mess around, another of their favourites was the Blood Eagle

Ha ! A mere fleshwound.

daithi1970

dodderangler wrote: »

Yup so instead we just keep our murderers in a nice cosy cell and spend thousands a year feeding them and looking after them and sure maybe let them out on good behaviour.


Put a blindfold on and get on the knees and face the wall. Bullet to the head. Same way the Chinese do it. End of story

in theory that sounds good, but it actually costs more to execute a death row prisoner in the us than to jail them for life, when you take into account legal appeals and due process..or maybe you would prefer the chinese justice system..?

If you really wanted to punish a convicted murderer or rapist, give them a life sentence in solitary confinement-after a few years, they would probably want to top themselves..

DEFTLEFTHAND

Being buried up to your neck in dirt and stoned is still used in some African countries. They usually occur in football stadiums and are open to the public.

gallag

Use them as medical guinea pigs, let them give something back to the world. Give them cancer and have the finest experts and care try to cure them and try new drugs and treatments out.

daithi1970

See http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html for further info on the financial cost of the death penalty as implemented in the us..

daithi

dodderangler

daithi1970 wrote: »

in theory that sounds good, but it actually costs more to execute a death row prisoner in the us than to jail them for life, when you take into account legal appeals and due process..or maybe you would prefer the chinese justice system..?

That's in the u.s
I think the Chinese have the way to do it.
I've seen the gruesome videos that show executions from all over the world.
Most are beheadings. They aren't exactly spot on either.
Seen one fella being executed and the fella with the sword missed the neck and hit the skull and the fella was still alive screaming and kicking with a chunk of his skull hanging off. Wasn't pretty and despite their crime they committed or whatever they done felt bit sick and sorry for the bloke because he wasn't executed correct.
I'd rather a bullet in the head.

justforlaugh

prisoners get to stay imo a 3 star hotels, a bit like Travelodge,

a warm bed, free TV, 3 meal a day with a roof over their head... you know things that law abiding citizen have to pay for..

daithi1970

personally i think they should televise executions in the the us.. it might change people's minds on the the morality or lack thereof of capital punishment
The executioner's song by Norman Mailer is a good book on the subject.

daithi

Bruthal

mickpat wrote: »

When filling out the death certs for executed prisoners in America, the reason for death is filled in as homicide. Says it all really.

Homicide means the killing of one person by another or others. You are probably taking it as meaning the same as murder. Murder is criminal homicide.

mikerodgers96

they're having problems in the US with supplies of chemicals for lethal injection

some companies are refusing to supply on ethical grounds

apparently there a few different chemicals that can be used

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

justforlaugh wrote: »

prisoners get to stay imo a 3 star hotels, a bit like Travelodge,

a warm bed, free TV, 3 meal a day with a roof over their head... you know things that law abiding citizen have to pay for..

I'm guessing you've never been in a Traveldoge or a prison!

forumlover

if you're looking for a long & painful execution...................try marriage

mikerodgers96

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm guessing you've never been in a Traveldoge or a prison!

he's never been to mountjoy or he wouldn't say that

MJ23

1 bullet, bang bang

namloc1980

dodderangler wrote: »

Yup so instead we just keep our murderers in a nice cosy cell and spend thousands a year feeding them and looking after them and sure maybe let them out on good behaviour.


Put a blindfold on and get on the knees and face the wall. Bullet to the head. Same way the Chinese do it. End of story

Of course it actually costs more to execute someone in the US than lifetime incarceration but hey lets ignore that fact. And looking to China as a model of justice and punishment... bloody hell.

Michael D Not Higgins

gallag wrote: »

Use them as medical guinea pigs, let them give something back to the world. Give them cancer and have the finest experts and care try to cure them and try new drugs and treatments out.

the data would be useless. they have specific breeds of rats ( and other animals) to ensure repeatability and homogeneity

DEFTLEFTHAND

MJ23 wrote: »

1 bullet, bang bang

A gunshot to the head is not always instant though, people have survived suicide attempts from this method for instance. You'd need to repeatedly charge off a firearm into the head, I reckon death would come fairly swiftly then.

Duggy747

Bah, the Russians knew how to deal with criminals!