New season new Leinster chant

Boycey2011

"We are Leinster"

Just like American College Penn State's "We are Penn State" below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLKszZAx4Y

Nice and simple

Hagz

I don't like it to be honest. It's very impressive in the video, but a crowd that size could shout anything in unison and it would sound impressive.

Do we need another chant? COYBIB and the simple Leinster work fine in my opinion. Although I do wish Molly Malone was sung more often.

CatFromHue

Best chant I've ever heard was Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Jackman, Jackman, Jackman. It sung in the MacDonalds in Roscrea on the way home from a game against Munster.

Boycey2011

Hagz wrote: »

I don't like it to be honest. It's very impressive in the video, but a crowd that size could shout anything in unison and it would sound impressive.

Do we need another chant? COYBIB and the simple Leinster work fine in my opinion. Although I do wish Molly Malone was sung more often.

We could always use another chant in my view to help make the RDS even more intimidating. I bet 18,0000 people in the RDS could make it sound impressive.

CatFromHue

Usually when there is a full house in the RDS it does sound impressive enough.

Hagz

I don't think it would sound the same as Penn State. If you started it in the RDS it wouldn't be like "we are. Lein Ster!". It would be more like "we are Leeeeinsteer".

19543261

Hagz wrote: »

I don't think it would sound the same as Penn State. If you started it in the RDS it wouldn't be like "we are. Lein Ster!". It would be more like "we are Leeeeinsteer".

"Len Sterr? Who's that?"

"we are LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSSSSSSTTTTEEEEERRRRRR "

: D

Hagz

19543261 wrote: »

"Len Sterr? Who's that?"

I don't know but the crowd seems to chant it whenever Leo bangs his bodhran.

Boycey2011

Hagz wrote: »

I don't think it would sound the same as Penn State. If you started it in the RDS it wouldn't be like "we are. Lein Ster!". It would be more like "we are Leeeeinsteer".

Yeah I think it would have to be We are Lein Ster.

It would be class in the RDS / Aviva.

P_1

Boycey2011 wrote: »

We could always use another chant in my view to help make the RDS even more intimidating. I bet 18,0000 people in the RDS could make it sound impressive.

Sweet so the overnight secret redevelopment was a success so

Thekidneybean

I liked "ONE MORE YEAR!!!" at the Biarritz game

scatman carruthers

Rugby chants are and always will be terrible. There's no imagination to any of them.

Dr.Evil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH65jS-EseQ

All those American chants seem to sound impressive purely because of crowd sound..

Boycey2011

Dr.Evil wrote: »

http://www.youtube.coio m/watch?v=YH65jS-EseQ

All those American chants seem to sound impressive purely because of crowd sound..

I think the age profile and alcohol consumption definitely helps. They're certainly passionate. Check this out for an entrance..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01N5PyPYfg

danthefan

Contrived chants don't work.

Boycey2011

danthefan wrote: »

Contrived chants don't work.

Agreed if the branch came up with it. But there's no harm in suggesting new chants for discussion from fans. There's nothing contrived about that. "One more year" was discussed at length over on babbling brook before it was used at the RDS. These forums are the ideal place for discussing any and all ideas on cheering on the lads.

Buer

I don't recall it being discussed at length but perhaps I'm wrong. It happened organically and was taken up as it was a perfect moment for it. A chant will not happen if it's fabricated. I don't think this chant will particularly capture much imagination either.

wp_rathead

danthefan wrote: »

Contrived chants don't work.

Agreed - it seems very Saracens thing to do

Nothing wrong though with gang trying to get a new chant going - if it is good it will spread through the stand/terraces

Remember connacht fans singing "Tindell tosses midgets" when we played Gloucster

Plus the "We are TEAM X" isn't unique marketing strategy to Leinster

Boycey2011

"A chant will not happen if it's fabricated. I don't think this chant will particularly capture much imagination either."

Sure it would. They do in every country, where fans in supporters clubs come up with new chants and organise to get them going at games. Soccer, baseball, NFL, Ice hockey, AFL you name it. That's the same old tired limiting belief that infects peoples attitudes here. As for this chant potentially not capturing peoples imagination. It may not, but it's good to keep adding to the discussion on this in my view. God forbid we came up with something new.

Buer

Those places have completely different cultures to Irish society. A chant like the suggested one won't be taken up because, culturally, we are more used to singing at games rather than repetition. This particular chant is at odds with the typical Irish songs and chants. It's not a criticism of suggesting something, it's just the truth.

Similar efforts have been made before and it has never taken off. We are a cynical population. Tell people to chant something and try and organise it and it's far more likely to have people mercilessly take the p*ss out of it rather than think "Great idea".

Hagz

It's funny because at school level the kids chant religiously.

Boycey2011

Buer wrote: »

Those places have completely different cultures to Irish society. A chant like the suggested one won't be taken up because, culturally, we are more used to singing at games rather than repetition. This particular chant is at odds with the typical Irish songs and chants. It's not a criticism of suggesting something, it's just the truth.

Similar efforts have been made before and it has never taken off. We are a cynical population. Tell people to chant something and try and organise it and it's far more likely to have people mercilessly take the p*ss out of it rather than think "Great idea".

What about stand up for the Ulster men ? 5 words works very well for the Ulster supporters. It's pretty repetitive and works pretty well.

Isn't COYBIB a chant that works pretty well and is repetitive.

"Similar efforts have been made before and it has never taken off" Like what ? I've no memory of anything other than Leinster's Glory which was a song that nobody liked.

To be honest I've no time for cynicism. It shouldn't stop people from suggesting or trying something new.

Boycey2011

Hagz wrote: »

It's funny because at school level the kids chant religiously.

Absolutely

Buer

Boycey2011 wrote: »

What about stand up for the Ulster men ? 5 words works very well for the Ulster supporters. It's pretty repetitive and works pretty well.

Isn't COYBIB a chant that works pretty well and is repetitive.

"Similar efforts have been made before and it has never taken off" Like what ? I've no memory of anything other than Leinster's Glory which was a song that nobody liked.

To be honest I've no time for cynicism. It shouldn't stop people from suggesting or trying something new.

They are songs with a tune that catch on and go through a song pattern. This is a three word mantra that is repeated ad infinitum with no tune. Not comparable whatsoever. The only chant that is comparable is the slow "Leinster/Ulster/Munster/Gloucester" chant which has been around rugby for a long, long time and calling out the name of your team has always been practiced.

LF forum has had several threads in the past by people with similar ideas. Leinster's Glory didn't catch on because it was something that the branch tried to force on the supporters and people cringed, waiting for it to finish.

If a chant is good, it will catch on and people will sing it.

Boycey2011

Buer wrote: »

They are songs with a tune that catch on and go through a song pattern. This is a three word mantra that is repeated ad infinitum with no tune. Not comparable whatsoever. The only chant that is comparable is the slow "Leinster/Ulster/Munster/Gloucester" chant which has been around rugby for a long, long time and calling out the name of your team has always been practiced.

LF forum has had several threads in the past by people with similar ideas. Leinster's Glory didn't catch on because it was something that the branch tried to force on the supporters and people cringed, waiting for it to finish.

If a chant is good, it will catch on and people will sing it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on how comparable they are.

jamiedav2011

One of the best chants/pieces of atmosphere I've ever experienced was the 'Stand up for the boys in blue' in Embra in '09.

Was spine tingling stuff, and sporadic rather than planned.

'Planned' atmosphere doesn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JST6-8zm-rI

Buer

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

One of the best chants/pieces of atmosphere I've ever experienced was the 'Stand up for the boys in blue' in Embra in '09.

Was spine tingling stuff.

It was an awesome moment. I was entirely engrossed in the game and didn't notice it until I looked up and saw the entire stadium on its feet, singing at the top of their voices.

Boycey2011

Yep I remember we sang it in Bordeaux last year in the SF. We could do with more of it.

awec

Dr.Evil wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH65jS-EseQ

All those American chants seem to sound impressive purely because of crowd sound..

That's bloody awful.

"I believe that we will win". What a terrible chant. Pass me the sick bucket.

Buer

It's simply a different mindset and background in the U.S.

A chant like that would be laughed out of it in Ireland but they buy into it lock, stock over there. Their patriotism, parochialism etc. is fairly unwavering and unquestioned. Their lack of cynicism is simultaneously one of the most endearing qualities of the American people and one of their biggest weaknesses.

Chants like that have no tradition or history in Ireland and, accordingly, do not catch on. Also, we prefer to sing as opposed to chant.

Tomtom364

Less chants more singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJMf6XBS4H8

Heroditas

Hagz wrote: »

It's funny because at school level the kids chant religiously.

Back in my day you ran the risk of a slap from one of the older kids if you were caught not chanting/singing!!

Swiwi.

Hagz wrote: »

It's funny because at school level the kids chant religiously.

I just can't shake this image of young kids dressed as Gregorian monks. I'm sure that's not what you meant!

Superbus

Heroditas wrote: »

Back in my day you ran the risk of a slap from one of the older kids if you were caught not chanting/singing!!

Still the case.

ulster_Beef

scatman carruthers wrote: »

Rugby chants are and always will be terrible. There's no imagination to any of them.

You mustnt have heard too many

molloyjh

The whole chant/song thing is a tough one. Buer mentioned our cynicism earlier and he's right. Sure I've been guilty of that on more than one occasion myself. But you need to get something that everyone buys into. Look at French sides. They generally sing the same stuff regardless of team ("<insert team name here> Allez, Allez, Allez" or the "If you're not jumping then you're not from <insert team name here>".) They are simple, they aren't original to any 1 team but everyone does them. And that's what makes it.

In Ireland we do seem to prefer songs to chants. Maybe that's because we're pretty crap at chants, maybe it's because we genuinely prefer songs. It's not like we can sing "Come on Leinster, come on, come on, come on" (although singing "If you're not jumping then you're not from Lein-ster" does actually work in English ). And Molly doesn't have the same rousing effect that Fields has, even though it can sound really well when the everyone in the stadium gets into it.

But I think the biggest issue is the fact that it's so hard to get everyone on the same page. A divided terrace doesn't help because one side can't hear what the other side are doing. At least on a full length terrace a good song/chant can spread naturally along it. And a lot of the singing and chanting from elsewhere in the stadium gets lost because it's not a closed stadium, i.e. the open corners etc.

justsomebloke

Truly it's hard to find a more intimidating place than a big game in the RDS, with the opposition taking a line out in front of the terrace beside where the players come out from and the crowd shouting 'Allez le bleu'.

It's not more chants that we need, it is more people shouting.

Quint2010

Molly MALONE

Rigor Mortis

Molly is a Dublin chant not a Leinster one. If you wanna push the twelve county army bit Molly should be consigned back to Moore St of the Hill

(and yes I know that Fields isnt even a Munster song, but there ya go it works)

Boycey2011

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Molly is a Dublin chant not a Leinster one. If you wanna push the twelve county army bit Molly should be consigned back to Moore St of the Hill

(and yes I know that Fields isnt even a Munster song, but there ya go it works)

Spot on.

"Sports teams develop a faithful and fanatical following [FONT=Georgia,Georgia][FONT=Georgia,Georgia]primarily due to high levels of identification[/FONT][/FONT]."

(Team Sports Marketing Professor Kirk L Wakefield)

Nobody outside Dublin identifies with Molly Malone.

jamiedav2011

Boycey2011 wrote: »

Spot on.

"Sports teams develop a faithful and fanatical following [FONT=Georgia,Georgia][FONT=Georgia,Georgia]primarily due to high levels of identification[/FONT][/FONT]."

(Team Sports Marketing Professor Kirk L Wakefield)

Nobody outside Dublin identifies with Molly Malone.

I do.
Think you're reading a little too much into that tbh.
Can't beat a few bars of Molly during a game, plus there's no all Leinster song I can thing of that would fit the bill.

In fairness, 'Leinster's Glory' wasn't the worst I've ever heard. Though they did get those faux opera planks in to sing it in the Aviva a few times which didn't help iirc.

Buer

Molly Malone is the traditional Irish rugby song sung at Irish games going back decades; it has become rarer in the past decade but right up until ten years ago it was a regular and very vocal feature of Irish rugby games. It has been sung multiple times by Leinster support particularly on away trips by fans from all counties.

"Sports teams develop a faithful and fanatical following primarily due to high levels of identification."

Is there not a contradiction in posting this whilst advocating a concentrated effort to use cheering tactics that are foreign to Irish society such as using announcers to begin chants and cheerleaders?

Boycey2011

Buer wrote: »

Molly Malone is the traditional Irish rugby song sung at Irish games going back decades; it has become rarer in the past decade but right up until ten years ago it was a regular and very vocal feature of Irish rugby games. It has been sung multiple times by Leinster support particularly on away trips by fans from all counties.



Is there not a contradiction in posting this whilst advocating a concentrated effort to use cheering tactics that are foreign to Irish society such as using announcers to begin chants and cheerleaders?

Not at all.

COYBIB and Allez Les Bleu work fine which are both chants. All I am suggesting is adding another simple one to the list. I don't think We Are Leinster chanted just like we are Penn state is a cultural leap by any stretch.

As for Molly, I agree it was popular with traditional rugby supporters an anthem in the past but since the popularity of the game has exploded in the professional era and Munster nicked The Fields the new Leinster non Dublin supportes don't identify with it. Nobody sings it at games. It's very rare I hear it in the RDS. I suspect there's plenty of Dublin Leinster fans (this one included) that wouldn't be big fans.

melekalikimaka

exeter have the best by a long shot

melekalikimaka

Boycey2011 wrote: »

As for Molly, I agree it was popular with traditional rugby supporters an anthem in the past but since the popularity of the game has exploded in the professional era and Munster nicked The Fields the new Leinster non Dublin supportes don't identify with it. Nobody sings it at games. It's very rare I hear it in the RDS. I suspect there's plenty of Dublin Leinster fans (this one included) that wouldn't be big fans.

I'd assosiate it too much with Temple Bar pubs over a rugby game tbh, wouldnt be mad on it

Boycey2011

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

I do.
Think you're reading a little too much into that tbh.
Can't beat a few bars of Molly during a game, plus there's no all Leinster song I can thing of that would fit the bill.

In fairness, 'Leinster's Glory' wasn't the worst I've ever heard. Though they did get those faux opera planks in to sing it in the Aviva a few times which didn't help iirc.

That's strange I almost never hear it at games in the RDS, so it can't just be that wouldn'y be fans of it. I think many new Leinster Rugby fans not from Dublin would tell you they don't identify with Molly as a Leinster anthem.

molloyjh

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Molly is a Dublin chant not a Leinster one. If you wanna push the twelve county army bit Molly should be consigned back to Moore St of the Hill

(and yes I know that Fields isnt even a Munster song, but there ya go it works)

So you are happy to accept Fields despite not being a Munster song, but you're not happy to accept Molly because it's from too specific a part of Leinster?

Boycey2011 wrote: »

That's strange I almost never hear it at games in the RDS, so it can't just be that wouldn'y be fans of it. I think many new Leinster Rugby fans not from Dublin would tell you they don't identify with Molly as a Leinster anthem.

I'm not sure how you don't hear Molly. It's sung on the terrace at pretty much every game (although it tends to be sung at a pitch a tad high for the deep throats among us!). I can't imagine many new fans can identify anything as a Leinster anthem, because they're new. Refusing to accept what has been sung for years, and still is sung, is bound to lead to a quieter stadium.

Benny Cake

molloyjh wrote: »

So you are happy to accept Fields despite not being a Munster song, but you're not happy to accept Molly because it's from too specific a part of Leinster?



I'm not sure how you don't hear Molly. It's sung on the terrace at pretty much every game (although it tends to be sung at a pitch a tad high for the deep throats among us!). I can't imagine many new fans can identify anything as a Leinster anthem, because they're new. Refusing to accept what has been sung for years, and still is sung, is bound to lead to a quieter stadium.

This is precisely why the fields works well for Munster. Limerick fans don't want to sing the Rose of Tralee, ditto Kerry fans singing the Banks of my own Lovely Lee. There are plenty of rugby songs sung at club level in Munster (The Isle for instance) but these don't cross over to the province for the same reason......

awec

IM BLUE DA BA DEE DA BA DAI.


It'll work. Honestly.

Podge_irl

awec wrote: »

IM BLUE DA BA DEE DA BA DAI.


It'll work. Honestly.

I'm ashamed to say I quite like that song.

Hagz

awec wrote: »

IM BLUE DA BA DEE DA BA DAI.


It'll work. Honestly.

YES!