Train Crash In Spain: 'At Least 20 Killed'

wretcheddomain

A train has crashed in Galicia with over 20 fatalities.

A witness told the station they heard an explosion before seeing the derailed train. Another witness told the Radio Galega station: "There are many people dead here, my God."

http://news.sky.com/story/1120030/train-crash-in-spain-at-least-20-killed

Horrific.

RikkFlair

People who have walked the Camino de Santiago will know it well. Beautiful part of the world, awful to see this happen.

biko

RIP poor people.

eug87

Euronews reporting witness's heard explosions before the train derailed.

Barna77

Up to 35 now, officials say.
Train was coming from Madrid, full of pilgrims as tomorrow is Santiago's patron day, meaning there could be casualties from anywhere and not only Spanish people.
Awful.

The_Mask

Yet another train crash with multiple deaths, this time in Spain....Do you think I am being paranoid when I say I get a bad feeling these crashes are possibly being caused by sabotage???

Amirani

I'd say they'd be claiming responsibility if that were the case. Not much point in committing a terrorist act if nobody realises it was a terrorist act.

just a coincidences sadly if it was terrorist they say straight away don't they ?

The_Mask

Some of these fanatical groups don't believe in propaganda and follow ancient manuscripts to the word where it says enemies are to be destroyed by any means.

Celly Smunt

The_Mask wrote: »

Some of these fanatical groups don't believe in propaganda and follow ancient manuscripts to the word where it says enemies are to be destroyed by any means.

Oh,so all of a sudden Muslims did this?

hatrickpatrick

What would be the point?
Terrorism is about making some kind of statement, there's no point in doing it secretly. If it's a terrorist attack, expect someone to gloat about it.

The_Mask

Deleted User wrote: »

just a coincidences sadly if it was terrorist they say straight away don't they ?

They have been very frequent and its never fully explained how the crashes have happened. I think there was mention of sabotage for the crash in
Canada

biko

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Oh,so all of a sudden Muslims did this?

Perhaps not but it's about ten years since the Madrid bombings so don't get upset if it jumps to people's minds.

No Pants

If they don't claim responsibility, then there's no terror.

The_Mask

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Oh,so all of a sudden Muslims did this?

Fundamentalist extremists to be exact

SeanW

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What would be the point?
Terrorism is about making some kind of statement, there's no point in doing it secretly. If it's a terrorist attack, expect someone to gloat about it.

I don't think anyone took responsibility for the Nevsky train bombing in Russia in ~2011. Likewise the human garbage that was responsible for the bombing of that PanAm flight back in the '80s, they wanted it to happen over the Atlantic.

SeanW

The_Mask wrote: »

Fundamentalist extremists to be exact

Anything to avoid saying the "I" word?

humanji

Threads merged.

The_Mask

SeanW wrote: »

Anything to avoid saying the "I" word?

Indians?

SeanW

try again

The_Mask

Iranians?

A Dub in Glasgo

It is more likely this is a broken rail type accident and the 'explosions' heard were probably the impact of the train hitting the wall / bridge

Clandestine

Gallery here:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/24/album/1374695943_634251.html#1374695943_634251_1374696074

NSFW

The_Mask

Clandestine wrote: »

Gallery here:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/24/album/1374695943_634251.html#1374695943_634251_1374696074

NSFW[/QUOTE
Graphic....goes to show how vulnerable we really are when we step outside our houses

Fratton Fred

That's shocking. RIP to those that died.

languagenerd

The Spanish papers are saying something about the back engine catching fire (though no idea whether that happened before or after impact). The only reference to explosions so far is that one witness from the local area who said she heard one (not saw it) - that could have been just the sound of the crash, so let's not jump to conclusions yet...

EDIT: El Mundo are actually saying that the authorities have ruled out any attack and are saying it was a derailing on a "difficult curve" in the track. (http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/07/24/espana/1374693824.html)

Travelled on the same Alvia trains a few times last summer, really scary to think of this happening. RIP to those poor people

Amirani

RikkFlair wrote: »

People who have walked the Camino de Santiago will know it well. Beautiful part of the world, awful to see this happen.

Yeah, I did the Camino and used this station to get a train to Madrid on the way back. Awful story.

The_Mask

The "explosions" could have been the carriages hitting the wall by the looks of the photos...metal v concrete.

wretcheddomain

Up to 45 dead so far according to Sky sources which is 20% of the occupants of the train.

The_Mask

Looks like the engine and carriages came off the rails on the right hand side and brought itself to a stop against the reinforced walls....right beside access to the tracks :-/

Ruudi_Mentari

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Up to 45 dead so far according to Sky sources which is 20% of the occupants of the train.

That is bad. RIP; hopefully not many more.

Rascasse

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

That is bad. RIP; hopefully not many more.

El Pais saying at least 56 now out of 222 passengers. The initial photos looked bad, but not that bad.

drunkmonkey

Are these mostly people there for the walk, 2 friends were doing it this year but not sure when...does it only happen at a certain time?

Amirani

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are these mostly people there for the walk, 2 friends were doing it this year but not sure when...does it only happen at a certain time?

Nah, walk is all year long.

RIP to the dead.

A real tragedy

Cookie_Monster

180 in an 80 zone according to a poster in T&RS thread

The pictures make it look like both power cars survived quite well, I wonder did the driver survive as he will be possibly one of the best sources of information on what happened?

biko

biko wrote: »

Perhaps not but it's about ten years since the Madrid bombings so don't get upset if it jumps to people's minds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23442018 Scroll down a bit to see other fairly recent Spanish train crashes. They have a pretty poor record it seems at first glance.

77 is the latest death toll, makes the idea of massively excessive speed seem pretty realistic.

The Narrator

The_Mask wrote: »

Yet another train crash with multiple deaths, this time in Spain....Do you think I am being paranoid when I say I get a bad feeling these crashes are possibly being caused by sabotage???

Could it possibly be linked to the recent heat wave affecting the tracks?

Just a theory, but sounds a bit more logical.

No offence.

Ruudi_Mentari

77 is a horrendous amount of people to die on a train. I trust that is near enough to the final toll, RIP.

The Narrator

The Narrator wrote: »

Could it possibly be linked to the recent heat wave affecting the tracks?

Just a theory, but sounds a bit more logical.

No offence.

Was there a recent heatwave in Spain? Early reports are suggesting excess speed. That still doesn't rule out sabotage obviously.

Rascasse

Hadn't noticed that a whole carriage was tossed up and landed on the road above the tracks till I saw this picture (you can also see it at top centre of this picture). Scary stuff.

Driver is alive and well so won't take long to find the cause.

Rascasse

Rascasse wrote: »

Hadn't noticed that a whole carriage was tossed up and landed on the road above the tracks till I saw this picture (you can also see it at top centre of this picture). Scary stuff.

Driver is alive and well so won't take long to find the cause.

The completely mangled/burnt-out carriage there is shocking.

Ruudi_Mentari

It looks like it may have hit the beginnings of that concrete wall on the turn. They are saying it may have been going up to 3 times the limit and with 140 injured or thereabouts, who knows what the toll will rise to

Dark day in Santiago de Compostela.

Michael D Not Higgins

I can't imagine how the train would be going over double the intended speed. The signaling systems would be set up in such a way as to not allow that kind of thing. I'm not ruling it out as the carnage seems to be from a particularly fast derailment

Ruudi_Mentari

Whatever comes of all those injured you can be assured an impact like that there is a lot of serious pain and injury.

up for anything

Those poor people on the train. RIP. Can't believe Eamonn Holmes on Sky news though - he said, "I have to warn you that there are images of covered dead bodies" before starting the segment on the train. I've never heard that before. It's usually distressing images.

Son Of A Vidic

Death toll is now at 77 and RIP to all those poor people that died. Reports now from multiple sources, indicate that the train was going way to fast.

Barna77

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there a recent heatwave in Spain? Early reports are suggesting excess speed. That still doesn't rule out sabotage obviously.

It's been up to 35+ for a few weeks in the area recently, which is not normal for NW Spain summer. But yeah most definitely train was way too fast.

EDIT: Train took the curve at 190km/h when it should be at 90!!:eek:

wobblyknees

Can anyone confirm the time of the crash and the route this train took? Where it started/finished and stops along the way?

I'm a little concerned about family in the area.

Ruudi_Mentari

wobblyknees wrote: »

Can anyone confirm the time of the crash and the route this train took? Where it started/finished and stops along the way?

It stopped at Angrois.