Train Crash In Spain: 'At Least 20 Killed'

Rascasse · 25-07-2013 12:37AM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

That is bad. RIP; hopefully not many more.

El Pais saying at least 56 now out of 222 passengers. The initial photos looked bad, but not that bad.

drunkmonkey · 25-07-2013 12:54AM

Are these mostly people there for the walk, 2 friends were doing it this year but not sure when...does it only happen at a certain time?

Amirani · 25-07-2013 12:57AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are these mostly people there for the walk, 2 friends were doing it this year but not sure when...does it only happen at a certain time?

Nah, walk is all year long.

25-07-2013 01:47AM

RIP to the dead.

A real tragedy

Cookie_Monster · 25-07-2013 02:04AM

180 in an 80 zone according to a poster in T&RS thread

The pictures make it look like both power cars survived quite well, I wonder did the driver survive as he will be possibly one of the best sources of information on what happened?

25-07-2013 02:08AM

biko wrote: »

Perhaps not but it's about ten years since the Madrid bombings so don't get upset if it jumps to people's minds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23442018 Scroll down a bit to see other fairly recent Spanish train crashes. They have a pretty poor record it seems at first glance.

25-07-2013 05:56AM

77 is the latest death toll, makes the idea of massively excessive speed seem pretty realistic.

The Narrator · 25-07-2013 06:02AM

The_Mask wrote: »

Yet another train crash with multiple deaths, this time in Spain....Do you think I am being paranoid when I say I get a bad feeling these crashes are possibly being caused by sabotage???

Could it possibly be linked to the recent heat wave affecting the tracks?

Just a theory, but sounds a bit more logical.

No offence.

Ruudi_Mentari · 25-07-2013 06:11AM

77 is a horrendous amount of people to die on a train. I trust that is near enough to the final toll, RIP.

25-07-2013 06:12AM

The Narrator wrote: »

Could it possibly be linked to the recent heat wave affecting the tracks?

Just a theory, but sounds a bit more logical.

No offence.

Was there a recent heatwave in Spain? Early reports are suggesting excess speed. That still doesn't rule out sabotage obviously.

Rascasse · 25-07-2013 06:14AM

Hadn't noticed that a whole carriage was tossed up and landed on the road above the tracks till I saw this picture (you can also see it at top centre of this picture). Scary stuff.

Driver is alive and well so won't take long to find the cause.

25-07-2013 06:22AM

Rascasse wrote: »

Hadn't noticed that a whole carriage was tossed up and landed on the road above the tracks till I saw this picture (you can also see it at top centre of this picture). Scary stuff.

Driver is alive and well so won't take long to find the cause.

The completely mangled/burnt-out carriage there is shocking.

Ruudi_Mentari · 25-07-2013 06:43AM

It looks like it may have hit the beginnings of that concrete wall on the turn. They are saying it may have been going up to 3 times the limit and with 140 injured or thereabouts, who knows what the toll will rise to

Dark day in Santiago de Compostela.

Michael D Not Higgins · 25-07-2013 06:44AM

I can't imagine how the train would be going over double the intended speed. The signaling systems would be set up in such a way as to not allow that kind of thing. I'm not ruling it out as the carnage seems to be from a particularly fast derailment

Ruudi_Mentari · 25-07-2013 06:51AM

Whatever comes of all those injured you can be assured an impact like that there is a lot of serious pain and injury.

up for anything · 25-07-2013 08:07AM

Those poor people on the train. RIP. Can't believe Eamonn Holmes on Sky news though - he said, "I have to warn you that there are images of covered dead bodies" before starting the segment on the train. I've never heard that before. It's usually distressing images.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-07-2013 09:22AM

Death toll is now at 77 and RIP to all those poor people that died. Reports now from multiple sources, indicate that the train was going way to fast.

Barna77 · 25-07-2013 09:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there a recent heatwave in Spain? Early reports are suggesting excess speed. That still doesn't rule out sabotage obviously.

It's been up to 35+ for a few weeks in the area recently, which is not normal for NW Spain summer. But yeah most definitely train was way too fast.

EDIT: Train took the curve at 190km/h when it should be at 90!!:eek:

wobblyknees · 25-07-2013 10:24AM

Can anyone confirm the time of the crash and the route this train took? Where it started/finished and stops along the way?

I'm a little concerned about family in the area.

Ruudi_Mentari · 25-07-2013 10:33AM

wobblyknees wrote: »

Can anyone confirm the time of the crash and the route this train took? Where it started/finished and stops along the way?

It stopped at Angrois.

Barna77 · 25-07-2013 10:48AM

wobblyknees wrote: »

Can anyone confirm the time of the crash and the route this train took? Where it started/finished and stops along the way?

I'm a little concerned about family in the area.

Left Madrid at 3pm
Crashed before arriving at Santiago at 8.41pm
Route and stops here, it's in Spanish. Check "Recorrido"
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/25/media/1374703338_483146.html

Hope your family is ok

The_Mask · 25-07-2013 10:57AM

The Narrator wrote: »

Could it possibly be linked to the recent heat wave affecting the tracks?

Just a theory, but sounds a bit more logical.

No offence.

Interesting point, heat causes metal to expand so it would be possible heat caused the rails to weaken or break

Amirani · 25-07-2013 11:00AM

The_Mask wrote: »

Interesting point, heat causes metal to expand so it would be possible heat caused the rails to weaken or break

Would hardly account for the massive overspeeding.

The_Mask · 25-07-2013 11:09AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Would hardly account for the massive overspeeding.

The cause of the crash may well end up being a combination of factors.....from excess heat on the rails, overloaded carriages, speed, badly maintained track or even vandalism/sabotage.

Barna77 · 25-07-2013 11:14AM

This a train that covers the unfinished high speed line from Madrid to A Coruña. The line alternates both high speed and conventional tracks. Reaching Santiago from Madrid the train has to sharply slow down from 200km/h to 80km/h before reaching that curve. It might explain why it was so fast there.

Also train was running behind schedule. But Santiago is only 2 minutes away....

The_Mask · 25-07-2013 11:16AM

Barna77 wrote: »

This a train that covers the unfinished high speed line from Madrid to A Coruña. The line alternates both high speed and conventional tracks. Reaching Santiago from Madrid the train has to sharply slow down from 200km/h to 80km/h before reaching that curve. It might explain why it was so fast there.

Also train was running behind schedule. But Santiago is only 2 minutes away....

Train driver could have been "going for it" to stay on schedule

wobblyknees · 25-07-2013 11:33AM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

It stopped at Angrois.

Barna77 wrote: »

Left Madrid at 3pm
Crashed before arriving at Santiago at 8.41pm
Route and stops here, it's in Spanish. Check "Recorrido"
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/25/media/1374703338_483146.html

Hope your family is ok

Was a little worried but thankfully just confirmed all is ok.

Michael D Not Higgins · 25-07-2013 11:57AM

The_Mask wrote: »

The cause of the crash may well end up being a combination of factors.....from excess heat on the rails, overloaded carriages, speed, badly maintained track or even vandalism/sabotage.

The temperatures are not unheard of in Spain and the network has surely been designed for the relevant environment (not even taking into account that there's no talk of broken rails, bad track, etc.).

The 8-carriage train held ~230 people. Hardly overloaded.

Vandalism/sabotage has been ruled out.

Speed seems to be the cause, it will be interesting to understand why the driver was going so fast. Even considering the mixture of high speed and regular sections, driver's take route knowledge tests and go up and down these lines everyday.

Lapin · 25-07-2013 12:03PM

The_Mask wrote: »

Some of these fanatical groups don't believe in propaganda and follow ancient manuscripts to the word where it says enemies are to be destroyed by any means.

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Oh,so all of a sudden Muslims did this?

I really wish people would fúck off with this shít.

It takes a twisted mind to rush to the internet and point fingers of blame without having any facts in the hope that you maybe correct and can then claim the bragging rights for having said it first.

R.I.P to those who died.

weisses · 25-07-2013 12:47PM

Video of the crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32nxuHshv4

some speed it was traveling

Train Crash In Spain: 'At Least 20 Killed'

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