Rock & Roll Dublin City marathon - photogs wanted

pullandbang

The Rock & Roll Marathon takes place in Dublin on August 5th and Marathon Foto looking for photographers to shoot this event - either candid or the course. If any boardsies are interested then please PM me with your contact details - proper name, e mail and phone and I'll pass them on to the organiser who will give you more details.This is paid work.

keps

half marathon:P

the_syco

Hrm. I'll see if I can get time off work for this

keps

It's a bank holiday

endacl

keps wrote: »

It's a bank holiday

Which is great for those who get bank holidays off...

pullandbang

Just to update. I need your FULL proper name, the one that you were christened with, your e mail and phone number. Not a link to your website, first name, handle or anything else.

Marathonfoto will then contact you with all the gory details including times, payment etc.

endacl

Are you looking for pros, or capable amateurs with the appropriate gear?

the_syco

endacl wrote: »

Are you looking for pros, or capable amateurs with the appropriate gear?

T'was wondering that myself. Would consider myself an amateur with a 450D.

endacl

the_syco wrote: »

T'was wondering that myself. Would consider myself an amateur with a 450D.

I must be a better amateur so. I've a 1000d. :P

That makes me 550d better! That's how Canon works, isn't it?!?

the_syco

endacl wrote: »

I must be a better amateur so. I've a 1000d. :P

That makes me 550d better! That's how Canon works, isn't it?!?

Um, what? Cop the f**k on. The make & model of the camera means f**k all.

I was merrily stating I was an amateur who had a 450D. If the marathon person wanted people with a full frame lens, I wouldn't make the cut. I've no idea what's with the snide bullsh|t remark.

endacl

the_syco wrote: »

Um, what? Cop the f**k on. The make & model of the camera means f**k all.

I was merrily stating I was an amateur who had a 450D. If the marathon person wanted people with a full frame lens, I wouldn't make the cut. I've no idea what's with the snide bullsh|t remark.

Easy fella!

Joke!

I've the bottom of the range EOS, and know it. Just happens to have the biggest number. If I'd the cash, I'd have your camera. No snidy bull**** intended.

pullandbang

The camera you have is irrelevant. They just want photogs who know how to use one. Obviously you need to be competent with a DSLR.

Paulw

Knowing nothing about this organisation, but having shot a good few road races, you don't need brilliant gear to get good quality photos.

People are not running fast. You set your camera (open aperture, decent shutter speed, high enough ISO), focus and take the pict.

Easy enough to search online for other races, and images that have been captured. I covered the Fingal 10K last weekend - http://www.flickr.com/photos/eventsandsports/sets/72157634733098335/

pullandbang

Oh and meant to add - the cameras will be supplied along with a little training. Unfortunately they're Nikons......:rolleyes:

OldGoat

pullandbang wrote: »

The camera you have is irrelevant. They just want photogs who know how to use one. Obviously you need to be competent with a DSLR.

Ahh FFS, there's always a catch or clause ruining it for me.

the_syco

pullandbang wrote: »

Oh and meant to add - the cameras will be supplied along with a little training. Unfortunately they're Nikons......:rolleyes:

Ah, I think I may leave it. I'd probably waste half the day just getting used to the camera When shooting with my own camera, I know where most of the functions are, but I'd be afraid of not being able to find the function before the person ran by me

DaireQuinlan

the_syco wrote: »

Ah, I think I may leave it. I'd probably waste half the day just getting used to the camera When shooting with my own camera, I know where most of the functions are, but I'd be afraid of not being able to find the function before the person ran by me

I don't think this gig would require anything other than the ability to point the camera in the right direction and hit the shutter button. Stick it into P(rofessional) mode and fire away on continuous is probably all that's required.

pullandbang

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

I don't think this gig would require anything other than the ability to point the camera in the right direction and hit the shutter button. Stick it into P(rofessional) mode and fire away on continuous is probably all that's required.

Not quite that simple. Part of the gig is shooting the candids and the other part is shooting the runners so settings and approach will be slightly different. We'll also be using flash if the last gig was anything to go by.

For those with the confidence to tackle it, it pays reasonably well, is hard work and should be good craic.

Paulw

While I would do it, I'm busy then.

the_syco

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

Stick it into P(rofessional) mode and fire away on continuous is probably all that's required.

Automatic mode? Haven't used that since I learnt how to use the camera :pac:

pullandbang wrote: »

For those with the confidence to tackle it, it pays reasonably well, is hard work and should be good craic.

Anyhoos, have asked my Team Leader for the day off, will let you know either way.

pullandbang

That's great folks. All your details have been sent on and MF will be in touch with you directly. Thanks again.

Corkbah

no mention that the photographer are giving ALL the copyright to marathon photos and that marathon photos sell the images for a serious amount of profit.

P&B are you on commission for recruiting or just trying to help marathon photos out with finding people ? I'm assuming you don't work for them ? (although you have said you did it in the past)

There is a boards member who operates in opposition to marathon photos - and he allows others to contribute to his website which he gives/sells the images (on behalf of the photographer)...cant for the life of me remember what his handle is, but I was told this by another Boards member.

hcnyla

Corkbah wrote: »

no mention that the photographer are giving ALL the copyright to marathon photos and that marathon photos sell the images for a serious amount of profit.

To be fair to them they are no different to any other agency or newspaper out there as you well know yourself. Sportsfile, Inpho, Collins, Photocall, PA, Getty etc etc all pay a photographer a shift fee and you hand over the photos at the end of your shift. They make the money as they have spent many years and lots of money building picture library's, websites, contacts, marketing, staff etc, etc, etc.

Corkbah

hcnyla wrote: »

To be fair to them they are no different to any other agency or newspaper out there as you well know yourself. Sportsfile, Inpho, Collins, Photocall, PA, Getty etc etc all pay a photographer a shift fee and you hand over the photos at the end of your shift. They make the money as they have spent many years and lots of money building picture library's, websites, contacts, marketing, staff etc, etc, etc.

but there's a big difference between doing a job for any of the above (you'll only pass over a selection of images -probably less than 25 for a days work) ...for marathon photos you'll be passing over hundreds.

if someone is happy to take €100-€250ish for their day ...let them - but we often get people complaining about their image used or someone else making money off their image .... if Marathon photo or any of the other mentioned agencies were to pay proper rates for each image they wouldn't survive....but I'm only trying to make people aware of the unmentioned bits .... sure they'll give you money, equipment and you spend your day taking hundreds (possibly thousands) of images which they sell off individually or as packages....if people are happy with that - no problem - just as long as they know what they are getting into BEFORE they sign up !!

keps

A contract is a contract.
You go in with your eyes open.
If you get a camera and presumably a Sd memory card from an organisation and you shoot very standard photos of people turning a corner for them for a few hours- do you really want to retain copyright?

hcnyla

Corkbah wrote: »

but there's a big difference between doing a job for any of the above (you'll only pass over a selection of images -probably less than 25 for a days work) ...for marathon photos you'll be passing over hundreds.

Thousands actually

I don't see any difference to be honest. You are paid to take pictures by a company, how many is irrelevant. In actual fact you will probably have a shorter day with Marathon Fotos than you would have with any of the others mentioned above and will be paid just as much.

You're not even using your own equipment as they provide the cameras for you so there isn't even wear and tear to incorporate as there would be for any job with the above!!!

Jonnykitedude

Corkbah wrote: »

bu
i- but we often get people complaining about their image used or someone else making money off their image

Think that's slightly different now, they know that all shots are going to the agency and will be used as they deem fit...its not like they are being plucked from their own personal flicker or pix.ie.

pullandbang

Corkbah wrote: »

no mention that the photographer are giving ALL the copyright to marathon photos and that marathon photos sell the images for a serious amount of profit.

The togs are hired by MF to take photos on their behalf with their equipment. What MF do with them afterwards is up to them.

Corkbah wrote: »

P&B are you on commission for recruiting or just trying to help marathon photos out with finding people ? I'm assuming you don't work for them ? (although you have said you did it in the past)

No I don't work for them nor am I on any commission. I'm going to be shooting it just like the others that signed up. I have done it once before for them, got paid for my day and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Corkbah wrote: »

There is a boards member who operates in opposition to marathon photos - and he allows others to contribute to his website which he gives/sells the images (on behalf of the photographer)...cant for the life of me remember what his handle is, but I was told this by another Boards member.

And this has what to do with anything?

I'm just putting a call out to photographers who might be interested in some paid work. They can sign up if they wish when they receive full details of what's involved directly from MF.

Corkbah

pullandbang wrote: »

The togs are hired by MF to take photos on their behalf with their equipment. What MF do with them afterwards is up to them.



No I don't work for them nor am I on any commission. I'm going to be shooting it just like the others that signed up. I have done it once before for them, got paid for my day and thoroughly enjoyed it.



And this has what to do with anything?

I'm just putting a call out to photographers who might be interested in some paid work. They can sign up if they wish when they receive full details of what's involved directly from MF.

and is it a decent amount of money for someone who simply has to turn up and take photos (only basic cop-on required) or are they completely taking advantage ?

why not put it out there at the start when creating the post - to me its a bit cloak and daggers .... (sell the job - but dont mention the bad points) earn money taking photos - all sounds great ...but you only responded acknowledging that MF make a profit off the images after it was highlighted, did you not consider it as important that some people may want to know if they are giving away their copyright while they are "working"

Essentially the company are looking for anyone who can handle a camera and press the button, having basic cop-on and knowledge of what makes a decent pic are a bonus - no actual photographic ability is required.

are the photographers allowed to use the images in their own portfolio ? I'm guessing no.

also ... why should people PM you instead of going to the marathon photo website or contacting the company themselves....just cant really understand that part.

as I've said before - if people ares happy to do it ... fair enough - just dont like people hiding things when advertising stuff.

keps

I'd say if you were giving out nikon cameras to 'individuals' you might like to go through some simple process whereby at least their online background/possible integrity might be assessed.

pullandbang

Corkbah wrote: »

..but you only responded acknowledging that MF make a profit off the images after it was highlighted, did you not consider it as important that some people may want to know if they are giving away their copyright while they are "working"

And do you have a problem with a company making a profit? I'm delighted they make a profit as it enables them to keep going and hire more togs....

Corkbah wrote: »

Essentially the company are looking for anyone who can handle a camera and press the button, having basic cop-on and knowledge of what makes a decent pic are a bonus - no actual photographic ability is required.

So what?

Corkbah wrote: »

are the photographers allowed to use the images in their own portfolio ? I'm guessing no.

No because the cards are handed over at the end of the day. Anyway, would you want to use them in your portfolio? Pictures of people running.....

Corkbah wrote: »

also ... why should people PM you instead of going to the marathon photo website or contacting the company themselves....just cant really understand that part.

So how are people supposed to find out about these events? I was asked by the Irish representative (who I know) to put the call out, not just here but also through my camera club. The reason I asked people to PM me was so that they didn't have to post their contact details publicly - would you put your mobile number, name and email address on a public forum?
In fact why don't you sign up but instead post your personal details publicly. Then I can pass them on to MF, you'll get the full package from them and then you can decide if you want to do it. In fact they're actually looking for photogs in early September for the Dingle Marathon so you could sign up for that too.

Corkbah wrote: »

as I've said before - if people ares happy to do it ... fair enough - just dont like people hiding things when advertising stuff.

There is nothing hidden and there is no advertising. This is all really simple. Possibility of a paid days shooting for those interested.

pullandbang

keps wrote: »

I'd say if you were giving out nikon cameras to 'individuals' you might like to go through some simple process whereby at least their online background/possible integrity might be assessed.

Being a mod, I know where you all live and I have a big gun

FueledByAisling

endacl wrote: »

Easy fella!

Joke!

I've the bottom of the range EOS, and know it. Just happens to have the biggest number. If I'd the cash, I'd have your camera. No snidy bull**** intended.

Endacl your joke made me lol hard.

keps

Great thread BTW - gives a chance to earn a few shillings -- but can I say a special thanks to Corkbah - who asked some very good questions.

pullandbang

Ok folks, they have enough applicants at the minute - those of you who got in in time should have your initial email with details etc. Make sure to reply to it.

keps

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Corkbah

keps wrote: »

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Want earn earn a 60 Euro + before noon on Monday,5th August? MarathonFoto is looking for photographers to help us cover the Rock n Roll Dublin Half Marathon on the 5th of August. We will be taking candid photos of runners prior to the start and after they cross the finish line. Fan photo and or Party Pics experience is helpful but not required. What is required is a smile and outgoing attitude. We are also looking for skilled photographers to join our team on course. Check us out at ...

€60 ... definately not what any of the other "normal" agencies would be paying.

Paulw

Corkbah wrote: »

€60 ... definately not what any of the other "normal" agencies would be paying.

True, but if you're sitting home and scratching yourself, it's worth doing. Money is money.

I'd prefer €60 to nothing any day of the week.

keps

Well you have to be in Ealsfort Terrace at 6am in the morning and for the first 2 and a half hours you only get paid 7 cents for every bib number( presumably with a person behind it:) )you photograph!!

Count me out!:D

Jonnykitedude

Corkbah wrote: »

€60 ... definately not what any of the other "normal" agencies would be paying.

You forgot the +, you don't know the full brief so your comments are really irrelevant.

As Paul has said, I'd rather be earning up to 150 for a few hours work along with having some fun/gaining experience than sitting on boards moaning about what people are getting/not getting!

hcnyla

keps wrote: »

for the first 2 and a half hours you only get paid 7 cents for every bib number( presumably with a person behind it:) )you photograph!!

That's a bit ridiculous.

I got mixed up with these companies, I used to do some work for Marathon PHOTO's and not FOTO. They pay much better than FOTO and more akin to what "normal" agencies pay.

keps

sorry a typo it is 17 cents for every bib photgraphed

Corkbah

Jonnykitedude wrote: »

You forgot the +, you don't know the full brief so your comments are really irrelevant.

As Paul has said, I'd rather be earning up to 150 for a few hours work along with having some fun/gaining experience than sitting on boards moaning about what people are getting/not getting!

upto €150 !! .... while working for one of the "normal agencies" you'd get paid more money and have to give over less images.

Jonnykitedude

Corkbah wrote: »

upto €150 !! .... while working for one of the "normal agencies" you'd get paid more money and have to give over less images.

Well one of the "normal agencies" aren't here looking for people are they? So until they do "this agency" and their cash will do just fine!!

endacl

It's a bit of cash for those who are in a position to, and happy to take the work. Sounds like it could be a bit of craic. If I was available, I'd do it.

If you disagree with the t&c, don't do it.

Easy.

Paulw

I've worked for less and worked for more. I've hired other photographers to cover events with me for less, and also paid more.

It would depend on what I was doing, how much the job was worth and what my profit would be.

When people work for me, they hand over all images to me. I then select what I will use and what I won't. I am quite fussy about image selection, since I have a reputation to uphold with my clients. This would be a higher standard than I may provide to a different client/agency.

The T&Cs for this event seem fairly normal. The pay is the pay. They make it clear the minimum you will earn.

I always feel it is better to get out and take photos than sit indoors and go online. It is also better to earn something rather than nothing. You also get some good experience, and learn. More often than not, it's easy enough to find people who will work for free.

If you set yourself up as a diva who won't work for anything less than €X, then that is your choice. But, there is no need to knock people willing to get out, take photos and earn something.

Corkbah

Paulw wrote: »

True, but if you're sitting home and scratching yourself, it's worth doing. Money is money.

I'd prefer €60 to nothing any day of the week.

I'd prefer to have my bank holiday weekend to myself instead of working ...then again, you have a decent paying full-time job and photography is a sideline for you...its not like you are going to be taking money away from a professional photographer while doing this job....its not a photography job in my opinion as no actual experience is needed, all you need to do is have basic cop-on.

if someone wants to earn money in this way - let them....just depends on how much you actually value your time, not everyone wants to work on their day off ....then again those with full-time non-photography jobs could also be considered greedy .... seeking work elsewhere at every opportunity, I'm not calling anyone greedy (before anyone takes offence - just speaking in general)

Corkbah

Jonnykitedude wrote: »

You forgot the +, you don't know the full brief so your comments are really irrelevant.

As Paul has said, I'd rather be earning up to 150 for a few hours work along with having some fun/gaining experience than sitting on boards moaning about what people are getting/not getting!

tell you what ... I'll pay you to get up at 3am on a day during the week and take a couple of photos at a few locations of my choice .... €100 sound ok ?

same offer goes to PaulW ....since you both think the €60ish for a few hours work is worth it (this would be less than 1hrs work)

Actually twice next week - how does that sound... two different days .... €100 for about an hours work ?? thats less work and less photos than the marathon peoples....I obviously get the copyright and all that jazz to use the image etc etc whatever way I feel fit and you have no rights to the image whatsoever. etc etc etc.

my point is .... money is money when it suits the person, if the person is at a loose end and dont mind doing the work, there is not a problem -as long as they know the full facts of the job (ie. full rights given with the images etc)....in this case the job was advertised looking for photographers when all they actually want are people who can hold a camera and using basic cop-on take a photo or replicate the previous photos taken....the company makes thousands of euro off the images and pay what some would consider pittance for the amount of work done.

So do I have two takers to do a couple of images at a few locations on two separate mornings ? (€100 each night - for about an hours work ...probably several minutes of actual photographing and a bit of driving)

Paulw

Corkbah wrote: »

tell you what ... I'll pay you to get up at 3am on a day during the week and take a couple of photos at a few locations of my choice .... €100 sound ok ?

same offer goes to PaulW ....since you both think the €60ish for a few hours work is worth it (this would be less than 1hrs work)

Currently I'm not available for any photographic work, nor any work outside my day job, due to family circumstances, hence me not being able to do this event.

Otherwise, I'd gladly accept your money. I'll do it any time from the 10th Aug onward though.

pullandbang

Corkbah wrote: »

So do I have two takers to do a couple of images at a few locations on two separate mornings ? (€100 each night - for about an hours work ...probably several minutes of actual photographing and a bit of driving)

Yeah, I'll do it. I'm confused though, is it morning or night as you're quoting two separate mornings but €100 for each night.

It also depends on the location. I'm in Meath so if it's within reasonable distance I'll certainly do it.

Corkbah

pullandbang wrote: »

Yeah, I'll do it. I'm confused though, is it morning or night as you're quoting two separate mornings but €100 for each night.

It also depends on the location. I'm in Meath so if it's within reasonable distance I'll certainly do it.

offer was not given to you ... 3am (ish) could be considered late night or early morning.