Pregnant to get the full rate

Grab All Association

So I was talking to a mate of mine last night in the pub. He is a course coordinator or some title like that with unemployed school leavers from 15 up to 21 years doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things. Anyway he told me a few of the 16-17 year old girls on the course are getting pregnant so when they do turn 18 they will be entitled to the lone parent rate and not the reduced rate of JA and the grand prize of child benefit every month. They actually admitted it to people in the centre that was why they got pregnant. Ffs they are only kids themselves and are having babies as assets not because they actually want a child to love and cherish THEY AREN'T CATTLE A BABY SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT IN TO THIS WORLD FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.

Thought I would post this as I know after hours loves stuff like this xD

wolfpawnat

.........This will end well.

RachaelVO

Not so sure this is new though... has this not been going on for years, in one guise or another?

JonSnuuu

Chris___ wrote: »

doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things.

Oh dear...

Amirani

Chris___ wrote: »

He is a course coordinator or some title like that with unemployed school leavers from 15 up to 21 years doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things.

That's a very silly and ignorant comment.

kneemos

Sounds like sound financial planning,fair play to them.

KeithTS

This has a reek of, "I have a mate and went drinking on a Tuesday" about it.

Who gives a f**k about hearsay. They might be thick enough to get knocked up in order to get benefits, or they might be stupid enough to get knocked up on a one night stand, some might even want a child and are just being controversial for the craic.

Why concern ourselves with it, now let's start a thread about bankers!

The Backwards Man

A man down the pub told you?

Must be true then.

Grab All Association

NiallSparky wrote: »

That's a very silly and ignorant comment.

No it's not Niall most of these girls and guys left school because they wanted the training allowance. Most if not all of them would do very well sitting the Junior and Leaving certs and going on to college.

It's shocking the only ambition these girls/boys have is to get money off the state. When I was there age I was working on building sites throughout Munster and I still do today

lazygal

Rates of teen pregnancy have consistently fallen over recent years. Of course, the old 'they're getting pregnant to get a house/social welfare/insert other thing that everyone moans about here' stories are still doing the rounds.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=19411
http://www.thejournal.ie/teen-pregnancy-ireland-933254-May2013/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/1117/world/teenage-pregnancy-levels-at-lowest-since-1966-214221.html

CSO figures: There were 1,720 births to women under 20 in 2011 that number fell by five per cent to 1,639 in 2012. That's fewer than 3% of all births.


So huge numbers of teenage girls getting knocked up then. :rolleyes:

Seedy Arling

I bought these magic beans off a fella down the pub before.

Fcuking robbed!

Grab All Association

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A man down the pub told you?

Must be true then.

A man I know for 10 years who I have done work for in the past. It's not just hearsay there are people in this country who will sponge the DSP for their whole lives

phasers

RachaelVO wrote: »

Not so sure this is new though... has this not been going on for years, in one guise or another?

Yeah, when I was in third year in 2005 or so, girls were getting pregnant so they'd get a council flat faster when they left school after the junior cert.

SEPT 23 1989

200 quid a week to look after a child 24/7/365??

let them at it

Amirani

Chris___ wrote: »

No it's not Niall most of these girls and guys left school because they wanted the training allowance. Most if not all of them would do very well sitting the Junior and Leaving certs and going on to college.

It's shocking the only ambition these girls/boys have is to get money off the state. When I was there age I was working on building sites throughout Munster and I still do today

Perhaps some do do that, but I feel your comment is pretty harsh on anyone who is genuinely attempting to improve themselves via one of these courses. I think you'd be better of labelling as silly the people who are supposedly trying to milk the State, rather than the courses that actually provide an opportunity to people who haven't followed a traditional academic path.

JonSnuuu

Chris___ wrote: »

No it's not Niall most of these girls and guys left school because they wanted the training allowance. Most if not all of them would do very well sitting the Junior and Leaving certs and going on to college.

College isn't for everyone, maybe they can't afford it etc. Don't criticise others for getting an education and dismiss it as "silly" just because it doesn't live up to some imaginary standard in your head.

mathie

Its far too early for this $hit.

Theres a guy works down the chip shop, swears he's Elvis.

Slutmonkey57b

mathie wrote: »

Its far too early for this $hit.

And I'm two days from retirement...

Valetta

Chris___ wrote: »

It's shocking the only ambition these girls/boys have is to get money off the state. When I was there age I was working on building sites throughout Munster and I still do today

More bloody developers trying to shift the blame.

everdead.ie

Ireland has one of the lowest teenage pregnancy rates in the world check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy#Prevalence refrence is UN stats division.

FutureGuy

Chris___ wrote: »

So I was talking to a mate of mine last night in the pub. He is a course coordinator or some title like that with unemployed school leavers from 15 up to 21 years doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things. Anyway he told me a few of the 16-17 year old girls on the course are getting pregnant so when they do turn 18 they will be entitled to the lone parent rate and not the reduced rate of JA and the grand prize of child benefit every month. They actually admitted it to people in the centre that was why they got pregnant. Ffs they are only kids themselves and are having babies as assets not because they actually want a child to love and cherish THEY AREN'T CATTLE A BABY SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT IN TO THIS WORLD FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.

Thought I would post this as I know after hours loves stuff like this xD

That is highly ignorant. As someone that volunteers to teach people literacy and numeracy at this level, you need to get off your high horse in rapid fashion. Not everyone is lucky enough to have an education.

Annasopra

Chris___ wrote: »

So I was talking to a mate of mine last night in the pub.

enough said

FutureGuy

Chris___ wrote: »

So I was talking to a mate of mine last night in the pub. He is a course coordinator or some title like that with unemployed school leavers from 15 up to 21 years doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things. Anyway he told me a few of the 16-17 year old girls on the course are getting pregnant so when they do turn 18 they will be entitled to the lone parent rate and not the reduced rate of JA and the grand prize of child benefit every month. They actually admitted it to people in the centre that was why they got pregnant. Ffs they are only kids themselves and are having babies as assets not because they actually want a child to love and cherish THEY AREN'T CATTLE A BABY SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT IN TO THIS WORLD FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.

Thought I would post this as I know after hours loves stuff like this xD

And also you realize that such information is strictly confidential Chris? Limerick is a small place. Your friend is most likely going to be in a lot of trouble.

Jester252

I bet the OP didn't expect this backfiring on him.

Grab All Association

True some people on these FÁS and VEC courses were not doing well in school but a big majority of them just go on it for the training allowance.

As a tax payer I have no problem with people receiving child benefit but it should be paid out in the form of vouchers just like food stamps in the US to stop people using it to pay for car insurance or the plasma TV.

I also think lone parents should be made to go out and seek work when the child reaches 4 years of age

In the post office the other day there was a woman screaming at the teller because her friend got the back to school allowance and she didn't while waving a vodafone bill screaming "how am I supposed to pay this" like they have control of the DSP

BTS should be administered through the schools on behalf of the department of education and not given to the parents to spend as they like.

FutureGuy

Chris___ wrote: »

True some people on these FÁS and VEC courses were not doing well in school but a big majority of them just go on it for the training allowance.

As a tax payer I have no problem with people receiving child benefit but it should be paid out in the form of vouchers just like food stamps in the US to stop people using it to pay for car insurance or the plasma TV.

I also think lone parents should be made to go out and seek work when the child reaches 4 years of age

In the post office the other day there was a woman screaming at the teller because her friend got the back to school allowance and she didn't while waving a vodafone bill screaming "how am I supposed to pay this" like they have control of the DSP

BTS should be administered through the schools on behalf of the department of education and not given to the parents to spend as they like.

Again, total and utter bullsh!t.

Valetta

Chris___ wrote: »

As a tax payer I have no problem with people receiving child benefit but it should be paid out in the form of vouchers just like food stamps in the US to stop people using it to pay for car insurance or the plasma TV.

.

Not sure if you've thought this one through.

Are you saying that people who get CB in cash payments are not feeding their children?

Just checking.

Turtyturd

You won't be getting my vote wiith those policies OP....nor will your 'friend' down the pub.

Amirani

Chris___ wrote: »

True some people on these FÁS and VEC courses were not doing well in school but a big majority of them just go on it for the training allowance.

It's almost certainly not the majority.

Chris___ wrote: »

As a tax payer I have no problem with people receiving child benefit but it should be paid out in the form of vouchers just like food stamps in the US to stop people using it to pay for car insurance or the plasma TV.

This doesn't work.

Chris___ wrote: »

I also think lone parents should be made to go out and seek work when the child reaches 4 years of age

Quite a baffling suggestion to be honest.

Grab All Association

NiallSparky wrote: »

It's almost certainly not the majority.



This doesn't work.



Quite a baffling suggestion to be honest.

Between the ages of 4-6 and 7-12 most children that age are in school until 2-3pm. No excuse for a woman not to go out and work between these hours. A lot of women do.

Turtyturd

Chris___ wrote: »

Between the ages of 4-6 and 7-12 most children that age are in school until 2-3pm. No excuse for a woman not to go out and work between these hours. A lot of women do.

Yes because most employers are so considerate when it comes to accomodating parents.

No Pants

FutureGuy wrote: »

Not everyone is lucky enough to have an education.

Why not? It's provided. All they have to do is show up.

mathie

everdead.ie wrote: »

Ireland has one of the lowest teenage pregnancy rates in the world check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy#Prevalence refrence is UN stats division.

Doesn't seem so ...

Birth rates, 1996

Per 1000 women 15–19,

taly 6.6
Spain 7.5
Netherlands 7.7
Sweden 7.7
Denmark 8.2
France 9.4
Finland 9.8
Belgium 9.9
Greece 12.2
Germany 13.0
Norway 13.6
Ireland 16.7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_teenage_pregnancy

Grab All Association

Valetta wrote: »

Not sure if you've thought this one through.

Are you saying that people who get CB in cash payments are not feeding their children?

Just checking.

Not all people but there are some mums/dads out there who spend it all on themselves. Was even a girl in this estate who threw her kid into care and collected the child benefit for a whole year after it. It was only thanks to a neighbour reporting her (not me) they cut her off

2ndcoming

Chris___ wrote: »

No it's not Niall most of these girls and guys left school because they wanted the training allowance. Most if not all of them would do very well sitting the Junior and Leaving certs and going on to college.

It's shocking the only ambition these girls/boys have is to get money off the state. When I was there age I was working on building sites throughout Munster and I still do today

So we take it that you obviously left school early to get quick money but now you're here pushing the pretty outrageous notion that teenage mothers only ever get pregnant so they can get 200 quid a week off the social. Okay.

Grab All Association

Turtyturd wrote: »

Yes because most employers are so considerate when it comes to accomodating parents.

They actually are. A friend of mine works 9-2 everyday her employer has no problem with that. She jumps in the car and collects the kids at school and goes home.

Valetta

Chris___ wrote: »

Not all people but there are some mums/dads out there who spend it all on themselves. Was even a girl in this estate who threw her kid into care and collected the child benefit for a whole year after it. It was only thanks to a neighbour reporting her (not me) they cut her off

But they still feed and clothe their children, right?

FutureGuy

No Pants wrote: »

Why not? It's provided. All they have to do is show up.

The incredible ignorance being shown on this thread is staggering.

Grab All Association

2ndcoming wrote: »

So we take it that you obviously left school early to get quick money but now you're here pushing the pretty outrageous notion that teenage mothers only ever get pregnant so they can get 200 quid a week off the social. Okay.

I left school when I was 18 and finished my junior and leaving. Didn't go to college because it was during the boom and the money in construction sector was good

Pandora2

Think I'll end this!

My daughter, Mother of a beautiful baby boy born in July is 17! She is with her partner (19, has LC, not enough for College, he is dyslexic) who is a participant on one of these course!

They are completely upfront about their relationship, there has been no One Parent Family Application. As this young man had commenced his course prior to the child being born, and it is a contractural arrangement that they operate, they will not make any payment for his dependants, my daughter or his child. SW are not interested as he is on a Course. Upshot they live with us and will continue to do so for many Years as he builds up his ability to provide for his family. Myself and my Husband support my daughter and the grandchild, in addition to the €188 he receives in lieu of his course!

They made a mistake, had their own moral dilemma and with support have embarked on their lives as a family. My daughter is a good and attentive mother who neither smokes nor drinks. The child is 7 weeks old now and she has not left the house but for the duties of a parent, despite my encouraging her. She receives vouchers for baby milk & nappies from a teenage liaison.

She goes back to school in September to sit her LC, something that was derailed by her pregnancy last Year. Tell your mate down the pub, he's either spoofing or ill-informed, you really should not be so gullible!

Amirani

Chris___ wrote: »

Between the ages of 4-6 and 7-12 most children that age are in school until 2-3pm. No excuse for a woman not to go out and work between these hours. A lot of women do.

And it should be encouraged - i.e. money for staying at home should be less than money for going to work.

Being "made to look for work" is another thing though. Particularly when the jobs with the necessary flexibility are quite limited.

Grab All Association

FutureGuy wrote: »

The incredible ignorance being shown on this thread is staggering.

FutureGuy we are not talking about the boys and girls who left school because they were not able for it. It's the ones who were and just left for the money.

syklops

Chris___ wrote: »

True some people on these FÁS and VEC courses were not doing well in school but a big majority of them just go on it for the training allowance.

They just go on it for the training allowance? What 100 euro a week to go to school? Yes they are bleeding the country dry. When you say the majority of them, what sort of numbers are we talking? I was under the impression that Ireland had one of the highest school completion rates, where students stay in school until they are eighteen in western Europe.

As a tax payer I have no problem with people receiving child benefit but it should be paid out in the form of vouchers just like food stamps in the US to stop people using it to pay for car insurance or the plasma TV.

That is simply micro managing people. For every parent who spends child beneift on booze, there will be about 5 who will spend it on home heating oil or electricity to keep their kids warm. Its very hard to feed food stamps into a meter.

In the post office the other day there was a woman screaming at the teller because her friend got the back to school allowance and she didn't while waving a vodafone bill screaming "how am I supposed to pay this" like they have control of the DSP

Again that is just micro managing people. If you are applying for jobs you need a phone to receive calls for interviews, and an internet connection to find jobs to apply for.

BTS should be administered through the schools on behalf of the department of education and not given to the parents to spend as they like.

Childrens needs vary. While the back to school allowance is to pay for books, and new uniforms and whatever kids need to go back to school, for all you know the mother might have bought all the stuff she needed for the kids out of her job seekers benefit, and then had no money left to pay her own bills, hence why she was annoyed at not receiving a Back to school allowance.

Jake1 wrote: »

Theres a guy works down the chip shop, swears he's Elvis.

The is man is clearly disturbed. I'm Elvis.

geeksauce

As ignorant as these girls are doing what they are doing, your comment about <b> silly </b> FETAC courses is just as ignorant imo.

No Pants

FutureGuy wrote: »

The incredible ignorance being shown on this thread is staggering.

Care to share some details?

Grab All Association

Pandora2 wrote: »

Think I'll end this!

My daughter, Mother of a beautiful baby boy born in July is 17! She is with her partner (19, has LC, not enough for College, he is dyslexic) who is a participant on one of these course!

They are completely upfront about their relationship, there has been no One Parent Family Application. As this young man had commenced his course prior to the child being born, and it is a contractural arrangement that they operate, they will not make any payment for his dependants, my daughter or his child. SW are not interested as he is on a Course. Upshot they live with us and will continue to do so for many Years as he builds up his ability to provide for his family. Myself and my Husband support my daughter and the grandchild, in addition to the €188 he receives in lieu of his course!

They made a mistake, had their own moral dilemma and with support have embarked on their lives as a family. My daughter is a good and attentive mother who neither smokes nor drinks. The child is 7 weeks old now and she has not left the house but for the duties of a parent, despite my encouraging her. She receives vouchers for baby milk & nappies from a teenage liaison.

She goes back to school in September to sit her LC, something that was derailed by her pregnancy last Year. Tell your mate down the pub, he's either spoofing or ill-informed, you really should not be so gullible!

Pandora that is different from what you say they did not set out to scam the system and congrats on been a grandmother. These girls I'm on about do this on purpose to get on benefits

the_syco

Chris___ wrote: »

So I was talking to a mate of mine last night in the pub. He WAS a course coordinator or some title like that with unemployed school leavers from 15 up to 21 years doing silly Fetac level 2-3 things.

Was a course coordinator, up until this thread caused a lazy journalist to make a story on it, and end up getting your mate sacked.

Chris___ wrote: »

Between the ages of 4-6 and 7-12 most children that age are in school until 2-3pm. No excuse for a woman not to go out and work between these hours. A lot of women do.

Because most full time jobs are 9-5.

Chris___ wrote: »

They actually are. A friend of mine works 9-2 everyday her employer has no problem with that. She jumps in the car and collects the kids at school and goes home.

That's one person. One. And probably a public sector worker at that.

Turtyturd

Chris___ wrote: »

They actually are. A friend of mine works 9-2 everyday her employer has no problem with that. She jumps in the car and collects the kids at school and goes home.

Yes one example disproves the point...was talking to a friend of mine in power city as she bought a flatscreen with her childrens allowance, while her children were locked out in her new car unclothed, and unfed and she told me employers don't.

Grab All Association

the_syco wrote: »

Was a course coordinator, up until this thread caused a lazy journalist to make a story on it, and end up getting your mate sacked.


Because most full time jobs are 9-5.


That's one person. One. And probably a public sector worker at that.

No she works in a meat factory they produce cooked bacon products or something for ready meals crap like that.

hoodwinked

Chris___ wrote: »

Not all people but there are some mums/dads out there who spend it all on themselves. Was even a girl in this estate who threw her kid into care and collected the child benefit for a whole year after it. It was only thanks to a neighbour reporting her (not me) they cut her off

not only is child benefit not even enough to pay for nappy's for the month, but its paid automatically to everyone regardless, so thats why they kept sending it to her even with the child in care, not many parents put their children into care so its not something they would have anticipated or had a process for.

as for Pandora, good luck to your daughter,


we were not quite in that same situation (i was made redundant due to taking maternity leave from work, while my now husband was halfway through his college course) so we literally had no money, and got not one bit of help from the state after i finished collecting my stamps i'd earned, as we in our situation were in every loophole you could think of, luckily for us my husband graduated and got a great job and we are currently on our way through life, building our home...etc

so i just want you to know it can all work out in the end!