Military coup underway in Egypt

partyatmygaff

14 million people on the streets and the military just gave a 48 hour ultimatum before another coup d'état to remove the Muslim Brotherhood and their president from power.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23133174

I must say, it's pretty awe-inspiring seeing the huge numbers of people out protesting.

Egypt's army has given the country's rival parties 48 hours to resolve a deadly political crisis.
The army would offer a "road map" for peace if Islamist President Mohammed Morsi and his opponents failed to heed "the will of the people", it said.
It came after protesters stormed the Cairo office of the Muslim Brotherhood, to which the president belongs.
Eight people died as the building was ransacked, a day after millions rallied nationwide urging Mr Morsi to quit.
He became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak.
Morsi defiant The head of the armed forces described Sunday's protests as an "unprecedented" expression of the popular will.
But in a statement read out by a spokesman on state television on Monday evening, Gen Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said the army would not get involved in politics or government.
The opposition movement behind the protests, Tamarod (Rebel), welcomed the statement, but said it would continue demonstrations to force Mr Morsi out.
There were scenes of flag-waving jubilation in Cairo's Tahrir Square, where Tamarod supporters believed the statement spelt the end for a president they accuse of putting the Brotherhood's interests ahead of the country's as a whole.
As five helicopters flew over the square with huge Egyptian flags hanging below them, the crowds chanted: "The army and the people are one hand."
But a senior member of the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) rejected the military statement.
"Solutions will be in the framework of the constitution," Yasser Hamza, a member of the FJP's legal committee, told Al Jazeera TV. "The age of military coups is over."
The opposition movement had given Mr Morsi until Tuesday afternoon to step down and call fresh presidential elections, or else face a campaign of civil disobedience.

Celly Smunt

Uprising->revolution->civil war

It's the way the world has always worked.

camel jockey

Does the Muslim Brotherhood allow female members, or do they have a 'sister party' for the females?

Menas

They wanted democracy and they got it.
Now they don't like the outcome and don't want to follow the democratic process.
It is a bit nuts and can only lead to more blood.

Rayne Wooney

I wonder could we pay them to come over here and protest.

btard

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wonder could we pay them to come over here and protest.

INB4 'what would that achieve'

For Forks Sake

btard wrote: »

INB4 'what would that achieve'

World record for most people 'walking like an Egyptian'?

ninebeanrows

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wonder could we pay them to come over here and protest.

If they had a fifth of the opportunities of you or other Irish people they would be more than happy with their lives. Most Irish people realise their situation while not great isn't such to go and protest about, wasting people's time, money and further damaging our economy.

camel jockey

For Forks Sake wrote: »

World record for most people 'walking like an Egyptian'?

Why do they have to come over here to do that? Too much risk that half of them would claim asylum here. No thanks.

Frosty McSnowballs

Hmmmmmmm what would Tutankhamun do, eh?

camel jockey

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Hmmmmmmm what would Tutankhamun do, eh?

Have them all beheaded?

partyatmygaff

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Uprising->revolution->civil war

It's not much of a civil war if nearly the entire population is of the exact same opinion.

Trigger Happy wrote: »

They wanted democracy and they got it.
Now they don't like the outcome and don't want to follow the democratic process.
It is a bit nuts and can only lead to more blood.

All they're asking for is early presidential elections, there's no violence involved. Instead of doing his job he's spent the past year installing islamists in every possible position of power and curtailing people's freedom of expression and freedom of press. The man put an Islamist responsible for a terrorist attack on tourists in charge of one of Egypt's biggest tourist destinations. That's just the tip of the iceberg of what's he done in a single year, imagine the damage he'll cause if they let him stay on for a full term.

ScumLord

They should have called it something better than "Revolution #2". Maybe "Revolution returns", or "Revolution strikes back, revenge of the revolution".

The Backwards Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

MadsL

camel jockey wrote: »

Does the Muslim Brotherhood allow female members, or do they have a 'sister party' for the females?

No...apparantly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drGx7JkFSp4

wretcheddomain

Yeah, we finished the Arab Spring a long time ago, this is the beginning of the Arab Summer.

wretcheddomain

Trigger Happy wrote: »

They wanted democracy and they got it.
Now they don't like the outcome and don't want to follow the democratic process.
It is a bit nuts and can only lead to more blood.

How is it nuts to have a people, who have shown clear antagonism over the past few months, wrong to uprise when their 'elected' President doesn't listen to them? I think it's a very admirable move and shows its the people in power which is what democracy is all about.

Menas

wretcheddomain wrote: »

How is it nuts to have a people, who have shown clear antagonism over the past few months, wrong to uprise when their 'elected' President doesn't listen to them? I think it's a very admirable move and shows its the people in power which is what democracy is all about.

Politicians only listen at election time, that is a fact of democracy the world over.

Nodin

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Politicians only listen at election time, that is a fact of democracy the world over.

...or when you threaten to tear the place apart. Sad, but there ye go.

Lenin Skynard

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It's not much of a civil war if nearly the entire population is of the exact same opinion.

That's not the case at all, there are massive numbers counter-protesting in favour of Morsi.

partyatmygaff

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

That's not the case at all, there are massive numbers counter-protesting in favour of Morsi.

The number of people against him are even more massive. Apparently, 22 million have signed to support his early resignation. That and with the military in support of the anti-Morsi protestors, there's next to no chance of a civil war.

Nodin

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

That's not the case at all, there are massive numbers counter-protesting in favour of Morsi.

Not to the same extent. The army didn't get off the fence for the craic. Yer man overstepped his remit, vast numbers and disparate groups are pissed off.

Jonny7

Appears they really don't like nor want the Muslim Brotherhood

Still, we get a pretty clear sign that the Egyptian military is very much an autonomous entity.

Nodin

Jonny7 wrote: »

Appears they really don't like nor want the Muslim Brotherhood

Still, we get a pretty clear sign that the Egyptian military is very much an autonomous entity.

I think its more so they got more of the muslim brotherhood than they were willing to put up with.

GalwayGuy2

Appears they really don't like nor want the Muslim Brotherhood

Still, we get a pretty clear sign that the Egyptian military is very much an autonomous entity.

Not the best sign tbh.

Seaneh

Trigger Happy wrote: »

They wanted democracy and they got it.
Now they don't like the outcome and don't want to follow the democratic process.
It is a bit nuts and can only lead to more blood.

A democratic system that does not have a mechanism for the recall of elected officials is an extremely flawed system.

The people have every right to call for the president to stand down from office if they are not happy with his rule.

Andrewf20

From wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Draft_Constitution_of_Egypt), the new constitution makes for interesting reading.

conorhal

Nodin wrote: »

I think its more so they got more of the muslim brotherhood than they were willing to put up with.

I feel about FG and Labour like the Egyptians do about the the Muslim Brotherhood.
We knew in advance we were getting a bunch of self righteous, autocratic bufoons that felt their entitlement to rule us had finally arrived, and like the Egyptians we just wanted a courrupt regime gone and didn't see any real alternative to the lot we are lumped with.....

I wonder when the FCA will issue a statement? (and who'll die laughing as a result)

--Kaiser--

Why did they elect the crazy Muslims in the first place?

Menas

Seaneh wrote: »

A democratic system that does not have a mechanism for the recall of elected officials is an extremely flawed system.

The people have every right to call for the president to stand down from office if they are not happy with his rule.

I don't disagree, but I worry that if they succeed they will end up with another prolonged period of Military rule. And how will the core MB following react if the president steps down or is forced from office unwillingly?
It's a crap situation.

biko

Trigger Happy wrote: »

They wanted democracy and they got it.
Now they don't like the outcome and don't want to follow the democratic process.
It is a bit nuts and can only lead to more blood.

Not really.
They wanted democracy and got Islamist rule.
Now they're trying for democracy again.

Islamist rule is actually opposed democracy per definition. If Allah rules - the people should just obey, not object.

Jonny7

biko wrote: »

Not really.
They wanted democracy and got Islamist rule.
Now they're trying for democracy again.

Islamist rule is actually opposed democracy per definition. If Allah rules - the people should just obey, not object.

We in the West have had democracy for decades yet some countries are still struggling to separate church and state - just look at the Republicans in the US.

So, yup, the Egyptians have taken their first vital step, which was a decent election last year - however they also seem quite eager (quite rightly) to tackle the next big step which is secularism, a big challenge considering their society..

They also have a semi-autonomous powerful military to deal with

I reckon it will still take a decade or two for the country to "settle" and that's without coups or creeping religious interference.

Thrill

Officials say a travel ban has been issued against Egypt's President Morsi and the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The army has confirmed that it does not intend to rule.

Army tanks reaching Tahrir Square, troops controlling at least 2 major bridges across Nile

Army vehicles deployed near Islamist gathering in Cairo

Looks like Morsi reign could be over.

http://globalnews.ca/news/689587/egypts-president-morsi-refuses-to-step-down/

Itssoeasy

From CNN
Morsi adviser: coup under way

And under the breaking news is saying that it isn't known where Morsi is.

Killer Wench

Of course the Army can't rule, but a certain general might.

Conmaicne Mara

Seems they're making this an annual event.

wretcheddomain

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Seems they're making this an annual event.

You have to admit its great for tourism.

gordongekko

Bit of an overreaction to BOD getting dropped by the lions.

Conmaicne Mara

wretcheddomain wrote: »

You have to admit its great for tourism.

It'll get them more press than The Gathering, only thing worse than being talked about and all that....

castletownman

I always thought it was spelt President Mercy. Which is an awesome name for a world leader

Dostoevsky

With the Irish state having an unofficial unemployment rate of over 20% (higher than Egypt's 14%), and being saddled with massive debts from private corporations, what would it take the Paddies, even the 420,000 of them who are unemployed, to rise up?

Thankfully, this state got rid of hundreds of thousands of other Paddies through the extremely useful cultural acceptance of emigration by Irish people. "Rebel Irish" indeed.

Zillah

A coup is where the military seizes power. The military is just forcing the government to start over. They could have seized power easily after Mubarak fell but they didn't. As coups go, this isa pretty ggenuine one.

Charlie19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfeQAy5hK3I

Celly Smunt

Dostoevsky wrote: »

With the Irish state having an unofficial unemployment rate of over 20% (higher than Egypt's 14%), and being saddled with massive debts from private corporations, what would it take the Paddies, even the 420,000 of them who are unemployed, to rise up?

Thankfully, this state got rid of hundreds of thousands of other Paddies through the extremely useful cultural acceptance of emigration by Irish people. "Rebel Irish" indeed.

Can we have one thread without this ****e,just one.

General General

I think we can all agree that stability will now return to Egypt.

For the next 40 or so years.

wretcheddomain

General General wrote: »

I think we can all agree that stability will now return to Egypt.

For the next 40 or so years.

Paddy Power are taking bets as to who'll be the next dictator in 2053.

biko

It'll be interesting to see what happens next, hopefully it won't get too bloody. Fair play to the Egyptians for overthrowing Mursi.
Unfortunately Tahir Square still isn't a good place for female journalists, or any women for that matter http://www.smh.com.au/world/five-men-rape-journalist-22-in-tahrir-square-reports-20130702-2p8sk.html http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=38278

Dostoevsky

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Can we have one thread without this ****e,just one.

Actually, many Irish people will be looking at this and thinking of the contrast between the reaction of both populations to unjust policies by their state (Mohamed Morsi was democratically elected).

You evidently don't like it. Fine. Ignore it and move on, rather than call for censorship. Simple.

Gringo180

Theres a few thousand marching outside the dail now so hopefully an irish revolution is not too far away.

tayto lover

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Can we have one thread without this ****e,just one.

So you're comfortable Enda.

Jonny7

Dostoevsky wrote: »

With the Irish state having an unofficial unemployment rate of over 20% (higher than Egypt's 14%), and being saddled with massive debts from private corporations, what would it take the Paddies, even the 420,000 of them who are unemployed, to rise up?

Thankfully, this state got rid of hundreds of thousands of other Paddies through the extremely useful cultural acceptance of emigration by Irish people. "Rebel Irish" indeed.

Are they all emigrating to Egypt?

I didn't think so.