edward snowden applies for asylum in Ireland

Sunnyisland

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0702/460034-edward-snowden/

Fugitive ex-CIA analyst Edward Snowden has applied for asylum in 21 countries, including Ireland, according to the Wikileaks website.
The Department of Justice has said it can neither confirm not deny that Mr Snowden has applied for asylum in Ireland.
However, it noted that under Irish legislation, Ireland can only accept asylum applications from people who are already in the State.
Mr Snowden faces charges of espionage in the United States for disclosing details of covert internet and phone surveillance programmes by the government.
According to Wikileaks, he has applied for asylum in Austria, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Cuba, Finland, France, Germany, India, Italy, Ireland, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, the Russian Federation, Spain, Switzerland, Venezuela, Ecuador and Iceland.
A Russian foreign ministry official has confirmed the 30-year-old whistleblower, who is still in a Moscow airport hotel, has applied for political asylum in Russia.
He has accused US President Barack Obama of denying him his "basic right to asylum" and using citizenship as a weapon by revoking his passport.
In his first public statement since flying to Russia, published by Wikileaks, Mr Snowden accused the US of using the "old, bad tools of political aggression" and said he remains free to make new disclosures about US spying activity.
He also directly addressed the American public, saying the US administration was not afraid of him, but them.
He said it was afraid of "an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised".


Well folks should we (the government)stand up and say yes, yes mr snowden you can stay in our beautiful country them pesky americans are snooping on us all and its not on ?


Imo he be better of trying his luck on the euro millions but then again even that has been won here

Ruudi_Mentari

Fugitive for your lovin'.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Appartently he hasn't appled for asylum here, as under Irish law an asylum application can only be made by a person already in this country, which Mr Snowden isn't.
Nice publicity stunt though!

gramar

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

harney

They would sell him out within minutes of landing.

They love American investment too much.

Mr.Crinklewood

He should forget about claiming asylum anywhere, he should just say that he is stranded in Russia as he is Snowden.

Corkbah

gramar wrote: »

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

so you dont think the FBI and other US Government agencies are spying on the general public ?
or do you think that he told the world they were doing this because he wanted those who wanted to attack america to know that the FEDs are watching them....but the only way was to tell the entire world !!:rolleyes:

he does have to land here first before making an application but ...in saying that we'll pretty much leave anyone into the country so its unlikely he'd get stopped at the border and turned back !!

Karl Stein

realies wrote: »

Well folks should we (the government)stand up and say yes, yes mr snowden you can stay in our beautiful country

Absolutely we should.

Karl Stein

gramar wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

Traitor to what?

zenno

If Snowden landed in Ireland he would be extradited back to the U.S.

He would want to be mad to come here, imo.


But what about our 1 hundred thousand Welcomes ?

Well, céad míle fáilte Mr Snowden.

knucklehead6

Give him asylum. Then a nice house just beside the runway at Shannon. If things happen down there, things happen.....

gramar

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

Traitor to what?

I'd say you know the anwser to that.

Corkbah wrote: »

so you dont think the FBI and other US Government agencies are spying on the general public ?
or do you think that he told the world they were doing this because he wanted those who wanted to attack america to know that the FEDs are watching them....but the only way was to tell the entire world !!:rolleyes:

Did I say that? The man is revealing sensitive secrets about his Goverment. He's a traitor whether you agree or not with what they are doing.

minidazzler

gramar wrote: »

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

Yeah, who is he a traitor to? In the US you swear to uphold the constitution a lot, and he was upholding his interpretation of the constitution for the good of the American people. As a living document the Constitution of the United States should be interpreted from a contemporary view with heed paid to what the Framers would do with the same information.

minidazzler

gramar wrote: »

I'd say you know the anwser to that.

Did I say that? The man is revealing sensitive secrets about his Goverment. He's a traitor whether you agree or not with what they are doing.

Sensitive secrets about the US Government tapping their own citizens, who, it just so happens have many rights granted to them under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, including, but not limited to, Liberty.

The reason there are organised Militia's in the US is because the Government should be afraid of the people, not the other way around.

zenno

Unfortunately our ties with the U.S are so tight and also the amount of extreme pressure the Irish government would be under from the U.S would ultimately lead to the extradition of Snowden if he were to enter Ireland.

This government would hand him over on a silver platter with icing on top without doubt.

Merkin

Poor him if he gets stuck in Russia. If I was him I'd be polishing up on my Italian....

zenno

gramar wrote: »

I'd say you know the anwser to that.




Did I say that? The man is revealing sensitive secrets about his Goverment. He's a traitor whether you agree or not with what they are doing.

This is the EU buddy, and we will not tolerate spying from the U.S on EU citizens, so I say Snowden is a hero indeed.

Good job the halt on EU -US free trade deal is delayed until this garbage is sorted out. The US gov are not making any friends lately with the EU.

gramar

minidazzler wrote: »

Yeah, who is he a traitor to? In the US you swear to uphold the constitution a lot, and he was upholding his interpretation of the constitution for the good of the American people. As a living document the Constitution of the United States should be interpreted from a contemporary view with heed paid to what the Framers would do with the same information.

The the US government will say they were carrying out these activities for the good of the american people.

Ten of Swords

gramar wrote: »

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

Don't worry he's very unlikely to ask you for any.

Maybe the government could fly him here with Ryanair, he would land NEAR Ireland (Guantanamo)

minidazzler

gramar wrote: »

The the US government will say they were carrying out these activities for the good of the american people.

Yeah, they can say it all they want. But it's against the fundamentals of the US as a society. And spying on your own people as a whole "for their own good", is never a good enough reason.

gramar

zenno wrote: »

This is the EU buddy, and we will not tolerate spying from the U.S on EU citizens, so I say Snowden is a hero indeed.

You seem to have read somewhere that I agree with what the US are doing. Buddy.

I'm simply believe that if you're an agent in the CIA with access to sensitive information as part of your job then you kept quiet about it.

If you go blabbing to the press revealing this information that then you're a traitor.

zenno

gramar wrote: »

You seem to have read somewhere that I agree with what the US are doing. Buddy.

I'm simply believe that if you're an agent in the CIA with access to sensitive information as part of your job then you kept quiet about it.

If you go blabbing to the press revealing this information that then you're a traitor.

Not at all. Snowden done the right thing, not only for American citizens, but for us all, be thankful because the US government & military industrial complex is destroying America and it's citizens rights & freedoms.

gramar

zenno wrote: »

Not at all. Snowden done the right thing, not only for American citizens, but for us all, be thankful because the US government & military industrial complex is destroying America and it's citizens rights & freedoms.

I don't disagree with you about the US but he's still a traitor.

zenno

gramar wrote: »

I don't disagree with you about the US but he's still a traitor.

I do not agree.

EDIT: We already had a feeling this was going on, but all Snowden done was verify it with proof, now we know, as it takes it out from a conspiracy to a reality of truth.

bumper234

gramar wrote: »

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

How is he a traitor?

bumper234

gramar wrote: »

You seem to have read somewhere that I agree with what the US are doing. Buddy.

I'm simply believe that if you're an agent in the CIA with access to sensitive information as part of your job then you kept quiet about it.

If you go blabbing to the press revealing this information that then you're a traitor.

So if it turns out that the Anglo tapes were leaked by a member of AGS would you insta label him/her as a traitor too?

Zebra3

gramar wrote: »

Not a hope he'll get it. I certainly wouldn't give this traitor the steam off my piss.

Yeah, how he dare he expose criminality by the US government. :rolleyes:

vitani

Brilliant. Sure, while he's waiting on an answer, let's stick him in Mosney and grant him less than €20 a week to live on. He'll be begging to go back to the US after a few years of that.

keeponhurling

I will never happen, but from an Irish point of view, nothing good would come from him coming here.

keeponhurling

What's the story with his status in Russia, can he stay there indefinitely until he sorts out something else?

guttenberg

keeponhurling wrote: »

What's the story with his status in Russia, can he stay there indefinitely until he sorts out something else?

Go watch the film The Terminal, Tom Hanks is in and you'll see just how long he can stay there!

Jonny7

gramar wrote: »

You seem to have read somewhere that I agree with what the US are doing. Buddy.

I'm simply believe that if you're an agent in the CIA with access to sensitive information as part of your job then you kept quiet about it.

If you go blabbing to the press revealing this information that then you're a traitor.

He hasn't revealed any information that puts anyone at risk, nor does it aid "the enemy".

To be honest the Obama admin should just scrap the whole program entirely.

Yes, detecting a domestic or foreign plot or attack may become harder and indeed prosecution may become more difficult - but the people in the US seem to want more transparency and less cloak-and-dagger.

Also, by abusing the program to spy on allies, the US government has not put itself in the best position.

Legally and technically he has broken the law, oaths and his contract - but that's the nature of whistle-blowing. Whether he is some egotistical self-serving douche like Assange with a personal vendetta - well that remains to be seen.

But for now the man is seen as somewhat of a hero and fair play to him.

Dravokivich

keeponhurling wrote: »

What's the story with his status in Russia, can he stay there indefinitely until he sorts out something else?

He's not technically in Russia.

snubbleste

edit: och

kraggy

vitani wrote: »

Brilliant. Sure, while he's waiting on an answer, let's stick him in Mosney and grant him less than €20 a week to live on. He'll be begging to go back to the US after a few years of that.

At least he'll get a free pram, which he can leave at the bus stop should he need to leave the country all of a sudden.

Sh1tbag OToole

zenno wrote: »

I do not agree.

EDIT: We already had a feeling this was going on, but all Snowden done was verify it with proof, now we know, as it takes it out from a conspiracy to a reality of truth.

if you posted about the US spying on everyone's communications on here a few short months ago they would have called you a conspiracy nutter, tinfoil hat wearer, etc

maxamillius

Let him in and then we will trade him for drumm!!

snubbleste

All your IPs are logged and you are now considered "against us" as hostile agents..

Gonzovision

He has withdrawn his application for asylum in Russia.

zenno

It looks like Poland is out...

RTE News...

Poland Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski confirmed that an asylum request had been received from Mr Snowden, but asylum will not be granted.

Pherekydes

Corkbah wrote: »

so you dont think the FBI and other US Government agencies are spying on the general public ?

Hands up anyone who thought the NSA, the CIA and other intelligence agencies weren't spying on just about everyone before Mr Snowden rendered his invaluable public service?


Whistleblowers are all well and good, when they're telling the public about falsified health reports, or some such, but where does it end? Would you like your bank details plastered all over the papers in the national interest?

As a member of the NSA he would have signed a very strict Official Secrets act. It's treason, plain and simple.

He has two choices: go home and face the music, or live his life out in beautiful Russia. "Ve haf a nice dacha for you in central Siberia. Very nice, this time of year..."

hardCopy

I'd say the CIA would love to bump into him in Shannon Airport

bumper234

Pherekydes wrote: »

Hands up anyone who thought the NSA, the CIA and other intelligence agencies weren't spying on just about everyone before Mr Snowden rendered his invaluable public service?


Whistleblowers are all well and good, when they're telling the public about falsified health reports, or some such, but where does it end? Would you like your bank details plastered all over the papers in the national interest?

As a member of the NSA he would have signed a very strict Official Secrets act. It's treason, plain and simple.

He has two choices: go home and face the music, or live his life out in beautiful Russia. "Ve haf a nice dacha for you in central Siberia. Very nice, this time of year..."

He would have signed a non disclosure agreement. Does this mean he should turn a blind eye to law breaking?

I signed a non disclosure for my job but if for one second i thought they were breaking the law then i wouldn't hesitate to report them to authorities. The law of the land supersedes any NDA that i may sign DUCY?

wp_rathead

He is about as much a traitor as Hugh Thompson Jr. was/is considered a traitor...

zenno

The American government are traitors to it's citizens.




In my opinion.

Tipsy McSwagger

He's more of a hero than any soldier returning from Afghanistan.

YFlyer

zenno wrote: »

It looks like Poland is out...

RTE News...

Poland Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski confirmed that an asylum request had been received from Mr Snowden, but asylum will not be granted.

No surprise there. Albania be another country that would turn him down.

Zebra3

YFlyer wrote: »

No surprise there. Albania be another country that would turn him down.

They could take him and exchange him for Sparrow. :pac:

Caliden

He did the right thing and companies like Facebook, Microsoft and Google know it was the right thing because they're embarrassed and trying to save face by revealing the types of requests they dealt with from the NSA.

For Paws

What's his big hurry ?

The film starring Tom Hanks, 'The Terminal' was based (loosely) on the 17 year stay of Mehran Karimi Nasseri in the Charles de Gaulle International Airport, Terminal I, Paris, France from 1988 to 2006.

SpaceTime

He would be nuts to come here for asylum! It's practically the 51st state in many respects.

Maybe it's a typo and he meant Iceland.