God I hate little fcukers

Odysseus

What can you say. I just arrived in my Mam's about 30 minutes and she starts to tell me she had two teenagers cut the grass out the back garden. Fair enough I generally try to do it for her; but I used to make a few bob cutting grass when I was that age.

However, I asked her how much my radar went off immediately. Initially they wanted 15, she bargained them down to 10, but get this went she went to pay they refused any payment saying it wasn't a lot of work and they would get her again etc.

I got her to check her purse and it was empty, thankfully she only had 25 in notes in it, but they were gone. Of course one of them also asked to use the jack, he must have taken the purse up there and return it on they way back

So I jumped on the bike after getting a brief description and caught them not too far away. Loads of denial and trying to fill me bull****, they tried to keep moving away but I just kept blocking their way with the bike.

I think they where afraid I'd ram them. One of them panicked and legged so I ended up just taking 20 off him and letting the other go eventually.

It's a pity she only discovered they also took her phone, but she only copped that after I came home.

I hate cnuts who rob the elderly, my mum is quite upset her had to make her a cup of tea and give her a valium:( to help her relax.

Quite a few OAPS have been robbed in some way here in the past few months.

Any way rant over, she was lucky it could have been a lot worse.

Festy

****ing skangers :mad:

lintdrummer

Fair play for taking action OP, many wouldn't have. Hope your mam isn't too shook up.

kneemos

Did you give them back a tenner for cutting the grass?

Fr_Dougal

Odysseus wrote: »

What can you say. I just arrived in my Mam's about 30 minutes and she starts to tell me she had two teenagers cut the grass out the back garden. Fair enough I generally try to do it for her; but I used to make a few bob cutting grass when I was that age.

However, I asked her how much my radar went off immediately. Initially they wanted 15, she bargained them down to 10, but get this went she went to pay they refused any payment saying it wasn't a lot of work and they would get her again etc.

I got her to check her purse and it was empty, thankfully she only had 25 in notes in it, but they were gone. Of course one of them also asked to use the jack, he must have taken the purse up there and return it on they way back

So I jumped on the bike after getting a brief description and caught them not too far away. Loads of denial and trying to fill me bull****, they tried to keep moving away but I just kept blocking their way with the bike.

I think they where afraid I'd ram them. One of them panicked and legged so I ended up just taking 20 off him and letting the other go eventually.

It's a pity she only discovered they also took her phone, but she only copped that after I came home.

I hate cnuts who rob the elderly, my mum is quite upset her had to make her a cup of tea and give her a valium:( to help her relax.

Quite a few OAPS have been robbed in some way here in the past few months.

Any way rant over, she was lucky it could have been a lot worse.

Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

Larianne

Hope you called the cops and a visit will scare the bejaysis out of them. Otherwise they'll just keep doing it. :mad:

Hope your mam is okay. The poor lady.

major bill

I thought this was going to be a rant about Midgets

Cee-Jay-Cee

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

Yeah! Go find them and give the poor misfortunate wee bastards back the money and buy them another phone after all one phone is no good between two of them.

kneemos

You sure ya got the right two?are ya?

The Backwards Man

Probably in poor taste, but reminds me of a fella I know used to own a bar. He was always raving about this bar manager he had that was the best in the country, and he only had to pay him half the going rate in the area.

'How do you manage that? Surely he would go somewhere else for better money?'

The owner would say 'Not at all, he makes a good enough wage with me when you count what he takes out of the till himself'

Stealing from the elderly is the lowest of the low.

I am pie

Good man. At least you give them a bit of a fright and probably stopped them coming back nearby.

No doubt there will be some eejit passing by giving you the vigilantes are bad spiel, should have contacted the authorities and let them deal with it etc.

Odysseus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.

Hootanany

Have you checked the Lead on the roof as well.

Odysseus

kneemos wrote: »

You sure ya got the right two?are ya?

I am actually, they where only 300m away from the house.

Gbear

Not just little scumbags who take advantage of the elderly.

A neighbour of my grandmother charged her a thousand quid to paint a ****ing wall. What's worse was that she didn't have the money so he frogmarched her down to the bank so she could get it out. He was her neighbour for decades and he pulls ****e like that. C*nt.

It's really hard to try to juggle protecting your elderly relatives with taking away their autonomy. It's sad that people can't just trust others but whether it's a modern phenomenon or not, you pretty much have to try to stop anyone from entering their house or doing any jobs or work for them without vetting them yourself.

Fr_Dougal

Odysseus wrote: »

I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.

That's fair enough. The point I was trying to make is that I've seen you defend what most people would see as the indefensible here in AH, you've even requested that 'junkies' are not referred to as 'junkies' both on threads on on the Feedback thread.

What those tramps did to your mam is disgusting. But I wonder had you read this story in a paper and not been directly impacted would your reaction have been the same? I'm not having a go at you, it's just food for thought.

MickFleetwood

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

Does coming from a poor background entitle you to steal from the elderly? :rolleyes:

Some people have such skewed views of the world. This post literally angers me, unless you're being facetious. Nah, he wasn't thinking about the poor state these two worthless, deceitful cúnts were possibly in after they had just stolen from his mother.

seenitall

Odysseus wrote: »

I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.

But much more time for murderers and rapists, going by your past posts.

Class.

Truly, personal perspective is everything, Mr. Psychologist.

MickFleetwood

seenitall wrote: »

But much more time for murderers and rapists, going by your past posts.

Class.

Truly, personal perspective is everything, Mr. Psychologist.

Perhaps because it was his elderly mother they were stealing from?

seenitall

MickFleetwood wrote: »

Perhaps because it was his elderly mother they were stealing from?

Yes, that's my point.

Odysseus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That's fair enough. The point I was trying to make is that I've seen you defend what most people would see as the indefensible here in AH, you've even requested that 'junkies' are not referred to as 'junkies' both on threads on on the Feedback thread.

What those tramps did to your mam is disgusting. But I wonder had you read this story in a paper and not been directly impacted would your reaction have been the same? I'm not having a go at you, it's just food for thought.

Where do I defend crime? I defend the right to proper jail facilities that do not deprive people of their human rights, and those little fcukers have human rights and I would not want their rights withdrawn.

I in no way started to go into a rant about any torture porn fantasies and how I would like to seen them suffer, because that is not what I would want. If they where to be caught, I would want them treated within the law, and would not want the law to extract revenge on my behalf. In my OP I don't think I would have suggest any of the above, that would be in any type of significant conflict with any of my previous posts on the topic of criminality here.

In relation to your question if something happens in your life it is going to have a much more significant impact than something I would read in a paper, I don't think you could suggest any different.

However, are you saying that my OP in this thread highlights a contradiction in my view on criminality and how we should treat it, or to be correct how I view it show be treated?

looking_around

The Backwards Man wrote: »

PHe was always raving about this bar manager he had that was the best in the country, and he only had to pay him half the going rate in the area.

'How do you manage that? Surely he would go somewhere else for better money?'

The owner would say 'Not at all, he makes a good enough wage with me when you count what he takes out of the till himself'

My Grandfather was quite the businessman and used to say, "they have to be making you a decent profit to think you won't notice the stealing. And that works just fine for me"

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On topic, sadly this isn't new or a sign of the times .. There's always been plenty of jerks ready to steal from anyone.

Mind why is it always more shocking when it's the elderly over someone with a family? I mean stealing is stealing.

In fact I'd be more shocked for the family, as the majority of elderly are grand money-wise, they're well off enough.

PizzamanIRL

Bastards. Fair play for going after them and getting something back.

What happened to someone doing an honest job and that's the end of it. Now people have to worry will they rob you or not. Scandalous. My mother won't even answer the door nowadays unless she's expecting someone.

seenitall

Odysseus wrote: »

Where do I defend crime? I defend the right to proper jail facilities that do not deprive people of their human rights, and those little fcukers have human rights and I would not want their rights withdrawn.

I in no way started to go into a rant about any torture porn fantasies and how I would like to seen them suffer, because that is not what I would want. If they where to be caught, I would want them treated within the law, and would not want the law to extract revenge on my behalf. In my OP I don't think I would have suggest any of the above, that would be in any type of significant conflict with any of my previous posts on the topic of criminality here.

In relation to your question if something happens in your life it is going to have a much more significant impact than something I would read in a paper, I don't think you could suggest any different.

However, are you saying that my OP in this thread highlights a contradiction in my view on criminality and how we should treat it, or to be correct how I view it show be treated?

LOL, just LOL. (Yes, it does.)

Well I guess you should have called the Gardai then. Instead you went on a personal retribution mission, and no doubt put the frighteners on those impressionable young minds. Shame on you!

It's not torture porn, granted, but at least torture porn on boards is confined to fantasy.

catallus

I'm sorry about what happened to your mum OP, but the gist of your story seems to be that you set off down the street, found the first two young lads you saw and bullied money out of them by intimidating them, even when they denied it was them? How can you be in any way certain (or even have a hunch) that it was those two kids who stole your mum's money??

seligehgit

Absolute disgrace!Hate people who target the elderly.:mad:

Odysseus

seenitall wrote: »

But much more time for murderers and rapists, going by your past posts.

Class.

Truly, personal perspective is everything, Mr. Psychologist.

Can you highlight the issue between my past posts on rehab and my view on the need to have a rehab based justice system over here and my OP here.

I would not say I posted anything that conflicts with my previous posts and there are a lot of them on this topic.

I have posted in the past that the people I find harder to work with are those who engage in domestic violence and those who attack/rob OAPs.

Does that stop me working with such clients and giving them the best possible treatment, no it doesn't. I have work with both groups and will again. Some people find sexual offenders too difficult to work with me I'm fine with it.

Part of my work is clinical supervision, where I see another therapist and if a persons crime was stopping me from giving them the best care I can, because they deserve that, well that is where I would talk about this, leading to me finding the personal a ore suitable therapist. I have never had to do this yet.

So can you actually highlight a significant contradiction here, because I can't and that is what you are implying isn't it or am I wrong?

Anyway, I glad I arrived when I did, and I don't think they will return. It is a pity I couldn't detain the for the cops, but I wasn't into having to physically restrain two 17-9 year olds. It just gets too messy if they resist and I'm not into battering kids or people weaker than me.

seligehgit

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

There are lots of kids from less fortunate backgrounds and they do not engage in this sort of behaviour.

kneemos

catallus wrote: »

I'm sorry about what happened to your mum OP, but the gist of your story seems to be that you set off down the street, found the first two young lads you saw and bullied money out of them by intimidating them, even when they denied it was them? How can you be in any way certain (or even have a hunch) that it was those two kids who stole your mum's money??

According to the op they were only 300m away and he did get a "brief"description from his shocked mother so they must have been the right ones...surly?

Odysseus

catallus wrote: »

I'm sorry about what happened to your mum OP, but the gist of your story seems to be that you set off down the street, found the first two young lads you saw and bullied money out of them by intimidating them, even when they denied it was them? How can you be in any way certain (or even have a hunch) that it was those two kids who stole your mum's money??

I arrived just after they left, they where still on the same street, wearing the exact same clothes as the description I was given by my Mum. Both of them still eating the fruit my mother gave the as they left.

Of I wanted them to wait for the cops, on top of the above why do you think they would not wait for the cops?

Or may there was two lads wearing the same gear, looking the same, eating the same fruit:pac:, not wanting to wait for the cops within 250-300m of my mams house.

Description was verified by another neighbour who had them cut her front garden before my Mams.

Or maybe I just like going around taking money off people smaller than me

Anyone else gotten to the point where ya think the world would be a better place if these scumbags just evaporated without a trace?

Fr_Dougal

Odysseus wrote: »

Where do I defend crime? I defend the right to proper jail facilities that do not deprive people of their human rights, and those little fcukers have human rights and I would not want their rights withdrawn.

I in no way started to go into a rant about any torture porn fantasies and how I would like to seen them suffer, because that is not what I would want. If they where to be caught, I would want them treated within the law, and would not want the law to extract revenge on my behalf. In my OP I don't think I would have suggest any of the above, that would be in any type of significant conflict with any of my previous posts on the topic of criminality here.

In relation to your question if something happens in your life it is going to have a much more significant impact than something I would read in a paper, I don't think you could suggest any different.

However, are you saying that my OP in this thread highlights a contradiction in my view on criminality and how we should treat it, or to be correct how I view it show be treated?

Rights like due process? That sort of thing? Did you not stop two young fellas and take €20 off them? Would the correct thing to do not have been to call the police and let them deal with it? Or is vigilantism and taking the law into your own hands ok under certain circumstances? Did you not act outside the law?

pragmatic1

Gbear wrote: »

Not just little scumbags who take advantage of the elderly.

A neighbour of my grandmother charged her a thousand quid to paint a ****ing wall. What's worse was that she didn't have the money so he frogmarched her down to the bank so she could get it out. He was her neighbour for decades and he pulls ****e like that. C*nt.

It's really hard to try to juggle protecting your elderly relatives with taking away their autonomy. It's sad that people can't just trust others but whether it's a modern phenomenon or not, you pretty much have to try to stop anyone from entering their house or doing any jobs or work for them without vetting them yourself.

Thats really ****ed up Gbear. I despise people that take advantage of the elderly. Lowlife ****.

kneemos

Odysseus wrote: »

I arrived just after they left, they where still on the same street, wearing the exact same clothes as the description I was given by my Mum. Both of them still eating the fruit my mother gave the as they left.

Of I wanted them to wait for the cops, on top of the above why do you think they would not wait for the cops?

Or may there was two lads wearing the same gear, looking the same, eating the same fruit:pac:, not wanting to wait for the cops within 250-300m of my mams house.

Description was verified by another neighbour who had them cut her front garden before my Mams.

Or maybe I just like going around taking money off people smaller than me

New info there pal.

Larianne

Oh FFS, something personally happening to you rather than in a clinical or professional situation is different.

If you came home to find your mother upset and shaken after being robbed by two toe-rags all common sense is gonna go out the window!!

Give the OP a break.

Odysseus

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else gotten to the point where ya think the world would be a better place if these scumbags just evaporated without a trace?

See that is the stuff I couldn't agree with, and you do see a lot of it here. I know people who would have knock the bollocks out of them and I wouldn't agree with that [I'm not saying you are in favour of that]

I would have preferred to have the chance to ring the cops and hold them there, but that was happening. Well I guess I could have held them there, but in my opinion I would have had to physically restrain them and it was messy enough as it was.

I gave them plenty of opportunities to call the cops, each time I stopped and took out my phone to ring them, one of them tried to get away.

Odysseus

kneemos wrote: »

New info there pal.

Yep which part, the fruit:cool:

However, yeah, I don't know about you, but I generally don't think of every little detail in a OP. I think I added something else in the above post too.

Is every detail relevant in an OP, I know must times I give an overview and add anything else needed as it is relevant.

Demosthenese

Should have called the police anyway - instead they get away with it totally and move onto the next unsuspecting victim. As for giving them a slap, that depends on the person and how safe he feels doing it. I am pretty sure that i i caight two little ****s robbing my parents like that i'd be either dragging them down the station or making sure they regretted doing so - instead they basically got away with it. Hardly a deterrant.

catallus

Have you rung the cops now that you know they have your mum's phone. I'd be inordinately worried about this situation; these people know where your mum lives.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Well Done OP!
A lot of people would have taken the law into their own hands, you did it right under ll the circumstances.
Little fúckers might think twice before robbing anyone again.
Again, a hearty well done!

Odysseus

Odysseus wrote: »

See that is the stuff I couldn't agree with, and you do see a lot of it here. I know people who would have knock the bollocks out of them and I wouldn't agree with that [I'm not saying you are in favour of that]

I would have preferred to have the chance to ring the cops and hold them there, but that was happening. Well I guess I could have held them there, but in my opinion I would have had to physically restrain them and it was messy enough as it was.

I gave them plenty of opportunities to call the cops, each time I stopped and took out my phone to ring them, one of them tried to get away.

I'd prefer to call the guards aswell but it's not going to do any good. I'm tired off my friends having horror stories at the hands of as$holes.

Odysseus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Rights like due process? That sort of thing? Did you not stop two young fellas and take €20 off them? Would the correct thing to do not have been to call the police and let them deal with it? Or is vigilantism and taking the law into your own hands ok under certain circumstances? Did you not act outside the law?

Actually I don't think I would have acted outside the law, the two lads where given the opportunity to wait while I phone the cops, as I have said each time I tried that one of the tried to walk away.

I could be wrong but I think it was three times I tried to call the cops. I would have gladly waited. So it would be interesting to see what the cops make of it.


I made it clear I was not going to physically harm as I wanted them to come back to the house, and wait for the cops. They initially agreed, but after 20m or so, changed their minds. This they done 3 times I think, each time after moving a few meters or so changing their mind and try to over in the opposite direction.

It would have been easy to slap them down the road but that is something I could not condone, I wanted my others goods returned, not to feel better by battering weaker people.

Out of interest once you had identified them, and they refused to wait for the Garda to arrive and tried to get away each time you tried to call the Garda, what would you have done?

How would you have kept them there while you call them and waited for the cops to arrive?

Hownowcow

My mother was mugged a number of years ago. Her main concern at the time apparently was the way I would find out about it. When I came home late that night the rest of the family corralled me in the house. I was unable to go looking for the mugger. My mother understood that this would be my reaction, she did not like it but understood. At the same time she believed that I would suffer the consequences of my actions and took steps to stop those actions taking place.

I cannot really describe what went through my head that night other than to say that shock and disbelief that someone would harm my mother completely took over me. If you're lucky you may have a few people who care about you. Even the most "civilised" is capable of forgetting all their programming if any of those few is harmed.

OP I sincerely hope your mother is alright and that the incident doesn't have a detrimental affect on her.

Odysseus

Hownowcow wrote: »

My mother was mugged a number of years ago. Her main concern at the time apparently was the way I would find out about it. When I came home late that night the rest of the family corralled me in the house. I was unable to go looking for the mugger. My mother understood that this would be my reaction, she did not like it but understood. At the same time she believed that I would suffer the consequences of my actions and took steps to stop those actions taking place.

I cannot really describe what went through my head that night other than to say that shock and disbelief that someone would harm my mother completely took over me. If you're lucky you may have a few people who care about you. Even the most "civilised" is capable of forgetting all their programming if any of those few is harmed.

OP I sincerely hope your mother is alright and that the incident doesn't have a detrimental affect on her.

Cheers Mate, thanks she is fine, Valium is a great drug for anxiety:p It could have been a lot worse and hopefully it means those two won't be back around here trying any other OAPs in the area. The is an ageing population on that road.

Hopefully she has learned a lesson, without becoming paranoid of all young people because only a few are like that.

The Falcon

catallus wrote: »

I'm sorry about what happened to your mum OP, but the gist of your story seems to be that you set off down the street, found the first two young lads you saw and bullied money out of them by intimidating them, even when they denied it was them? How can you be in any way certain (or even have a hunch) that it was those two kids who stole your mum's money??

Am I thick in assuming these guys would still have the lawnmower seeing as they are only 300m from the 'job' they carried out?

Fr_Dougal

Odysseus wrote: »

Out of interest once you had identified them, and they refused to wait for the Garda to arrive and tried to get away each time you tried to call the Garda, what would you have done?

How would you have kept them there while you call them and waited for the cops to arrive?

No, I wouldn't have. I'll be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have shown your restraint either. I'd have clipped them around the ear.

Doom

I'm out by Oranmore in Galway, wife said some fella called to the door saying he was cleaning gutters next door and needed a ladder!! Wife told him no I don't think so, he asked her to check out the back and he will wait, then she told him I was a Nutter and I would go mad if she lent out any of my stuff, he pissed off then.

Dodgy fcuker.....I reported it to local Garda

Odysseus

The Falcon wrote: »

Am I thick in assuming these guys would still have the lawnmower seeing as they are only 300m from the 'job' they carried out?

Not at all, in fact I thought to myself I could be a cnut here and keep the lawn-mower so she never has to pay anyone else.

But despite all that, I think some still want to imply I just picked on two random young males .

Odysseus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, I wouldn't have. I'll be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have shown your restraint either. I'd have clipped them around the ear.

That was the dilemma, amongst other things I'm only very interested in self-defence and I'm instructor in same stuff. I could very easily have done that, or battered them enough to make them stay there until the cops arrive.

So it was a case of the above, let them go completely or at least get the cash back, namely return what they had stolen. Though I was not aware of the phone at that stage.

I would not be happy with taking out my anger of two little fcukers, just for being fcukers, it is not right.

As you asked about acting outside the law, I'm not sure I did. I think not, I did not physically abuse them, I may have stopped them but I did not hold them against their will, though I think I would be entitled to do so, until the Garda arrive.

Of course I was firm and took control of the situation if I was really nice they would have just told me to fcuk off.

IrishEyes19

Odysseus wrote: »

I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.

+ 1 to that. I dont care if they come from the worst background ever, no one ever has any right to steal from someone and that goes right across the board regardless of your standing in society.

It amazes me that people can actually find some excuse in favour of people who behave like this, yet the fact is OAP are constantly being targets of robberies and break ins in this country. Now in comparission to others, this may not seem as bad, but its usually the shock and fear afterwards that causes the most damage particularly for people living on their own in rural areas.

They were scumbags end of. And the same title applies if they came from a well to do background or a poor background. If you were to adopt that attitude to every little "unlucky in life" thief around the country, it would be a "poor me. I have nothing" sob story everytime. And whilst I do feel for people in situations. Those kids took advantage of someone and they're lucky they got off as lightly as they did.

du Maurier

Odysseus wrote: »

Yep which part, the fruit:cool:

However, yeah, I don't know about you, but I generally don't think of every little detail in a OP. I think I added something else in the above post too.

Is every detail relevant in an OP, I know must times I give an overview and add anything else needed as it is relevant.

Tbh I'm not sure why you had to get on here to disclose it. Like it was paramount to impart this to strangers what seems like fairly immediately after it happened. Odd.