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God I hate little fcukers

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  • #32
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Where do I defend crime? I defend the right to proper jail facilities that do not deprive people of their human rights, and those little fcukers have human rights and I would not want their rights withdrawn.

    I in no way started to go into a rant about any torture porn fantasies and how I would like to seen them suffer, because that is not what I would want. If they where to be caught, I would want them treated within the law, and would not want the law to extract revenge on my behalf. In my OP I don't think I would have suggest any of the above, that would be in any type of significant conflict with any of my previous posts on the topic of criminality here.

    In relation to your question if something happens in your life it is going to have a much more significant impact than something I would read in a paper, I don't think you could suggest any different.

    However, are you saying that my OP in this thread highlights a contradiction in my view on criminality and how we should treat it, or to be correct how I view it show be treated?

    Rights like due process? That sort of thing? Did you not stop two young fellas and take €20 off them? Would the correct thing to do not have been to call the police and let them deal with it? Or is vigilantism and taking the law into your own hands ok under certain circumstances? Did you not act outside the law?


  • #33
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Gbear wrote: »
    Not just little scumbags who take advantage of the elderly.

    A neighbour of my grandmother charged her a thousand quid to paint a ****ing wall. What's worse was that she didn't have the money so he frogmarched her down to the bank so she could get it out. He was her neighbour for decades and he pulls ****e like that. C*nt.

    It's really hard to try to juggle protecting your elderly relatives with taking away their autonomy. It's sad that people can't just trust others but whether it's a modern phenomenon or not, you pretty much have to try to stop anyone from entering their house or doing any jobs or work for them without vetting them yourself.
    Thats really ****ed up Gbear. I despise people that take advantage of the elderly. Lowlife ****.


  • #34
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I arrived just after they left, they where still on the same street, wearing the exact same clothes as the description I was given by my Mum. Both of them still eating the fruit my mother gave the as they left.

    Of I wanted them to wait for the cops, on top of the above why do you think they would not wait for the cops?

    Or may there was two lads wearing the same gear, looking the same, eating the same fruit:pac:, not wanting to wait for the cops within 250-300m of my mams house.

    Description was verified by another neighbour who had them cut her front garden before my Mams.

    Or maybe I just like going around taking money off people smaller than me:confused:

    New info there pal.


  • #35
    Larianne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,954 ✭✭✭✭Larianne


    Oh FFS, something personally happening to you rather than in a clinical or professional situation is different.

    If you came home to find your mother upset and shaken after being robbed by two toe-rags all common sense is gonna go out the window!!

    Give the OP a break.


  • #36
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyone else gotten to the point where ya think the world would be a better place if these scumbags just evaporated without a trace?

    See that is the stuff I couldn't agree with, and you do see a lot of it here. I know people who would have knock the bollocks out of them and I wouldn't agree with that [I'm not saying you are in favour of that]

    I would have preferred to have the chance to ring the cops and hold them there, but that was happening. Well I guess I could have held them there, but in my opinion I would have had to physically restrain them and it was messy enough as it was.

    I gave them plenty of opportunities to call the cops, each time I stopped and took out my phone to ring them, one of them tried to get away.


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  • #37
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    kneemos wrote: »
    New info there pal.

    Yep which part, the fruit:cool:

    However, yeah, I don't know about you, but I generally don't think of every little detail in a OP. I think I added something else in the above post too.

    Is every detail relevant in an OP, I know must times I give an overview and add anything else needed as it is relevant.


  • #38
    Demosthenese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Demosthenese


    Should have called the police anyway - instead they get away with it totally and move onto the next unsuspecting victim. As for giving them a slap, that depends on the person and how safe he feels doing it. I am pretty sure that i i caight two little ****s robbing my parents like that i'd be either dragging them down the station or making sure they regretted doing so - instead they basically got away with it. Hardly a deterrant.


  • #39
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Have you rung the cops now that you know they have your mum's phone. I'd be inordinately worried about this situation; these people know where your mum lives.


  • #40
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Well Done OP!
    A lot of people would have taken the law into their own hands, you did it right under ll the circumstances.
    Little fúckers might think twice before robbing anyone again.
    Again, a hearty well done!


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Odysseus wrote: »
    See that is the stuff I couldn't agree with, and you do see a lot of it here. I know people who would have knock the bollocks out of them and I wouldn't agree with that [I'm not saying you are in favour of that]

    I would have preferred to have the chance to ring the cops and hold them there, but that was happening. Well I guess I could have held them there, but in my opinion I would have had to physically restrain them and it was messy enough as it was.

    I gave them plenty of opportunities to call the cops, each time I stopped and took out my phone to ring them, one of them tried to get away.

    I'd prefer to call the guards aswell but it's not going to do any good. I'm tired off my friends having horror stories at the hands of as$holes.


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  • #42
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Rights like due process? That sort of thing? Did you not stop two young fellas and take €20 off them? Would the correct thing to do not have been to call the police and let them deal with it? Or is vigilantism and taking the law into your own hands ok under certain circumstances? Did you not act outside the law?

    Actually I don't think I would have acted outside the law, the two lads where given the opportunity to wait while I phone the cops, as I have said each time I tried that one of the tried to walk away.

    I could be wrong but I think it was three times I tried to call the cops. I would have gladly waited. So it would be interesting to see what the cops make of it.


    I made it clear I was not going to physically harm as I wanted them to come back to the house, and wait for the cops. They initially agreed, but after 20m or so, changed their minds. This they done 3 times I think, each time after moving a few meters or so changing their mind and try to over in the opposite direction.

    It would have been easy to slap them down the road but that is something I could not condone, I wanted my others goods returned, not to feel better by battering weaker people.

    Out of interest once you had identified them, and they refused to wait for the Garda to arrive and tried to get away each time you tried to call the Garda, what would you have done?

    How would you have kept them there while you call them and waited for the cops to arrive?


  • #43
    Hownowcow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Hownowcow


    My mother was mugged a number of years ago. Her main concern at the time apparently was the way I would find out about it. When I came home late that night the rest of the family corralled me in the house. I was unable to go looking for the mugger. My mother understood that this would be my reaction, she did not like it but understood. At the same time she believed that I would suffer the consequences of my actions and took steps to stop those actions taking place.

    I cannot really describe what went through my head that night other than to say that shock and disbelief that someone would harm my mother completely took over me. If you're lucky you may have a few people who care about you. Even the most "civilised" is capable of forgetting all their programming if any of those few is harmed.

    OP I sincerely hope your mother is alright and that the incident doesn't have a detrimental affect on her.


  • #44
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Hownowcow wrote: »
    My mother was mugged a number of years ago. Her main concern at the time apparently was the way I would find out about it. When I came home late that night the rest of the family corralled me in the house. I was unable to go looking for the mugger. My mother understood that this would be my reaction, she did not like it but understood. At the same time she believed that I would suffer the consequences of my actions and took steps to stop those actions taking place.

    I cannot really describe what went through my head that night other than to say that shock and disbelief that someone would harm my mother completely took over me. If you're lucky you may have a few people who care about you. Even the most "civilised" is capable of forgetting all their programming if any of those few is harmed.

    OP I sincerely hope your mother is alright and that the incident doesn't have a detrimental affect on her.

    Cheers Mate, thanks she is fine, Valium is a great drug for anxiety:p It could have been a lot worse and hopefully it means those two won't be back around here trying any other OAPs in the area. The is an ageing population on that road.

    Hopefully she has learned a lesson, without becoming paranoid of all young people because only a few are like that.


  • #45
    The Falcon
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    catallus wrote: »
    I'm sorry about what happened to your mum OP, but the gist of your story seems to be that you set off down the street, found the first two young lads you saw and bullied money out of them by intimidating them, even when they denied it was them? How can you be in any way certain (or even have a hunch) that it was those two kids who stole your mum's money??


    Am I thick in assuming these guys would still have the lawnmower seeing as they are only 300m from the 'job' they carried out?:confused:


  • #46
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Out of interest once you had identified them, and they refused to wait for the Garda to arrive and tried to get away each time you tried to call the Garda, what would you have done?

    How would you have kept them there while you call them and waited for the cops to arrive?

    No, I wouldn't have. I'll be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have shown your restraint either. I'd have clipped them around the ear.


  • #47
    Doom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    I'm out by Oranmore in Galway, wife said some fella called to the door saying he was cleaning gutters next door and needed a ladder!! Wife told him no I don't think so, he asked her to check out the back and he will wait, then she told him I was a Nutter and I would go mad if she lent out any of my stuff, he pissed off then.

    Dodgy fcuker.....I reported it to local Garda


  • #48
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    The Falcon wrote: »
    Am I thick in assuming these guys would still have the lawnmower seeing as they are only 300m from the 'job' they carried out?:confused:

    Not at all, in fact I thought to myself I could be a cnut here and keep the lawn-mower so she never has to pay anyone else.

    But despite all that, I think some still want to imply I just picked on two random young males .


  • #49
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    No, I wouldn't have. I'll be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have shown your restraint either. I'd have clipped them around the ear.

    That was the dilemma, amongst other things I'm only very interested in self-defence and I'm instructor in same stuff. I could very easily have done that, or battered them enough to make them stay there until the cops arrive.

    So it was a case of the above, let them go completely or at least get the cash back, namely return what they had stolen. Though I was not aware of the phone at that stage.

    I would not be happy with taking out my anger of two little fcukers, just for being fcukers, it is not right.

    As you asked about acting outside the law, I'm not sure I did. I think not, I did not physically abuse them, I may have stopped them but I did not hold them against their will, though I think I would be entitled to do so, until the Garda arrive.

    Of course I was firm and took control of the situation if I was really nice they would have just told me to fcuk off.


  • #50
    IrishEyes19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭IrishEyes19


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


    I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

    However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

    Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.

    + 1 to that. I dont care if they come from the worst background ever, no one ever has any right to steal from someone and that goes right across the board regardless of your standing in society.

    It amazes me that people can actually find some excuse in favour of people who behave like this, yet the fact is OAP are constantly being targets of robberies and break ins in this country. Now in comparission to others, this may not seem as bad, but its usually the shock and fear afterwards that causes the most damage particularly for people living on their own in rural areas.

    They were scumbags end of. And the same title applies if they came from a well to do background or a poor background. If you were to adopt that attitude to every little "unlucky in life" thief around the country, it would be a "poor me. I have nothing" sob story everytime. And whilst I do feel for people in situations. Those kids took advantage of someone and they're lucky they got off as lightly as they did.


  • #51
    du Maurier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭du Maurier


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Yep which part, the fruit:cool:

    However, yeah, I don't know about you, but I generally don't think of every little detail in a OP. I think I added something else in the above post too.

    Is every detail relevant in an OP, I know must times I give an overview and add anything else needed as it is relevant.

    Tbh I'm not sure why you had to get on here to disclose it. Like it was paramount to impart this to strangers what seems like fairly immediately after it happened. Odd.


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  • #52
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    I don't doubt Odysseus' account of the incident; the heat of the moment takes over and details can be understandably omitted in the first recollection.

    I'd like to know if this has been reported to the Gardai (I know it is not really my business), but if youths have targeted my mother's home I'd be very anxious to report it to the police, especially as they seem to have got away with her phone. If they were "innocent young lads" (ha,ha) wouldn't they have offered up the phone?

    The question of the OP's dissonance between his professional life as revealed on boards and his actions in this (presumably) real life event isn't mysterious; professional people become brainwashed by bureaucracy and sink deeper into their own abyss as they progress in their career. Odysseus could tell us more about this than most people on here.


  • #53
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Are they from Austria by any chance?


  • #54
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    I'm not buying this at all. He recognised them because of the fruit they were happily munching on and colour of their pantaloons but not because of the lawnmower and grassy clothes. I'd check the apple tree for a bereftness of golden delicious in case these rapscallions fecked an entire bushel.


  • #55
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    du Maurier wrote: »
    Tbh I'm not sure why you had to get on here to disclose it. Like it was paramount to impart this to strangers what seems like fairly immediately after it happened. Odd.

    In way therapeutic way I suppose, a quick rant with the aim of leaving it behind me, which apart from the bit of a discussion through post here and of course talking to my mam about it, I pretty much did.

    Plus I generally drop in on y Mother when I have supervision as both are located near by, as I was still in that mind-set I guess.

    I vented and it really hasn't had any type of negative impact on my evening.

    However, it is an interesting point you raise, as others do this which various incidents they encounter, why do we post them up here?

    I know that when I' in my mothers, at that time of day she will be glued to her soaps, so unless I' reading something I grab my laptop and of course end up here amongst other things.


  • #56
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    I'm not buying this at all. He recognised them because of the fruit they were happily munching on and colour of their pantaloons but not because of the lawnmower and grassy clothes. I'd check the apple tree for a bereftness of golden delicious in case these rapscallions fecked an entire bushel.

    Fcuk now why did I not think of that:confused: Sadly the fruit was nectarines, my Mam would never have apples in the house, apples indeed such a common fruit:pac:


  • #57
    cfc.forever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭cfc.forever


    You seem to be making a general statement about "teens" just to clarify, not all teens are like this. I don't think you handled it well, you could have rang the gardai whilst following them, got all the money back + they would be prosecuted, but I hope your mums ok, thats the main thing if she is.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?

    You have to be joking?
    No excuse for that behaviour... if they were that bad off they wouldn't be able to afford the petrol in the mower.


  • #59
    Tom_Cruise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Tom_Cruise


    This is terrible.


  • #60
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Woah, woah, woah, woah there. You know these kind might come from an underprivileged background. God knows what their family situation is like at home. Did you stop to think that maybe they really really needed the money and phone?


    From encountering the OP on other threads, thanks for saying this!!!:D

    Not so smug now.


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  • #61
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I spent a lot of my profession life working with all types of criminals from petty to very serious. Understanding the processes behind criminality is very different to condoning it.


    I also argue very strongly in favour of rehab here and experiencing stuff like this would certainly not change my mind or my experience.

    However, the main points need to be highlighted here, firstly, they and not my clients, so how I feel about them can be as subjective and personal as I want.

    Secondly, I have very little time for those who rob OAPs.


    Well, we have very little time for those who rob anyone.

    So if they were you're clients, you would be giving out about the son ATTACKING two innocent children and FALSELY IMPRISONING them with your bike instead of calling the police?


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