New Smart TV - Do i need an aerial for Saorview

Damon22

Guys,

Probably a silly question which has been answered a hundred times here already!!

I recently bought an LG 42LN570V Smart TV and presumed that it would have a built in aerial for Saorview but i can't pick anything up on it at the moment. Do i need a separate saorview box for a new tv like this? i purchased a Samsung TV for my mother for christmas and it automatically picks up all saorview channels without an aerial - just presumed it would be the same deal here.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Merci!!

Fresh Pots

Damon22 wrote: »

Guys,

Probably a silly question which has been answered a hundred times here already!!

I recently bought an LG 42LN570V Smart TV and presumed that it would have a built in aerial for Saorview but i can't pick anything up on it at the moment. Do i need a separate saorview box for a new tv like this? i purchased a Samsung TV for my mother for christmas and it automatically picks up all saorview channels without an aerial - just presumed it would be the same deal here.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Merci!!

Yeah you need to connect it to an aerial, don't think any tvs have an aerial built in.

dubrov

You generally need an aerial to pick up Saorview. If your mother's TV picks it up without an aerial it must be in a position that picks up a strong signal directly to the coax connection.

I think this TV also has a satellite tuner built in (not 100% sure though) as well so if you hook it up to a satellite dish (pointing in the same direction as Sky) you'll get all the English channels free as well.

Peter Rhea

Damon22 wrote: »

i purchased a Samsung TV for my mother for christmas and it automatically picks up all saorview channels without an aerial

You always need an aerial of some kind for Saorview or any terrestrial service.

Your mother's tv must have something stuck in the aerial socket. It isn't picking up anything 'automatically'.

Damon22

Ok guys,

Appreciate the info. Will have to get myself an aerial on the roof so!

Cheers!

ardmacha

Appreciate the info. Will have to get myself an aerial on the roof so!

You need an aerial, but it depends on where you are whether an aerial on the roof is the only solution. One in the attic or even on top of a cupboard might be sufficient.

garbanzo

Same issue here in Dublin 14. How did it pan out OP.? How did you get connected.

Cheers.

europhile

Do I need an amplified aerial? Don't know what the difference is between amplified and unamplified?

Also, I'm in Dublin. Will an aerial with a three mile range pick up the signal or do I need one that has a greater range?

Thank you.

The Cush

europhile wrote: »

Do I need an amplified aerial? Don't know what the difference is between amplified and unamplified?

Also, I'm in Dublin. Will an aerial with a three mile range pick up the signal or do I need one that has a greater range?

In Dublin a basic roof aerial will do the job, pointing at Three Rock or Kippure. If the signal is good enough installing it in the attic might work also.

Saorview coverage checker - https://www.saorview.ie/en/get/coverage

Aerials - http://www.freetv.ie/saorview/tv-aerials/uhf/

Forget about amplified aerials in Dublin, if you are feeding the signal to a number of TV points later a distribution amplifier can be used to split the signal.

europhile

Many thanks. I wasn't clear. I'm in an apartment and have to get an indoor aerial.

The Cush

europhile wrote: »

Many thanks. I wasn't clear. I'm in an apartment and have to get an indoor aerial.

OK, which transmitter is recommended at your location?

Generally for the 2 transmitters I mentioned you'll probably require a window facing in the direction of that transmitter to get any decent signal. In some cases a amplified aerial may give a weaker signal a small boost but if the received signal isn't good enough an amplifier can't boost what's not there.

europhile

Many thanks.

I have a big window facing the Dublin mountains and I'm on the fifth floor.

SITE INFORMATION
Site:KIPPURE
Site On-Air:Yes
Channels: 54, 58

AERIAL INFORMATION
Polarization:H
Direction to:
point (degrees)South (180)
Distance: 22 km

coylemj

If you can see the various antennae on the Dublin Mountains then you have line of sight to Three Rock. Don't worry about the channel numbers, just tell the TV to scan for digital channels and it will find what's available.

coylemj

europhile wrote: »

Many thanks. I wasn't clear. I'm in an apartment and have to get an indoor aerial.

Poster The_Cush provided a recommendation for an indoor aerial in another thread this p.m. The ones they sell in the electrical retail shops are rubbish.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104535067&postcount=16

channelsurfer2

Just a personal note on the LG TV tuners. the the tuner is notoriously fussy. I have an Ariva120 box with 81%signal 90%qauality and it picks up saorview no problem. The lg TV brand new finds no signal. Previous TV was an LG and it didn't pick up any signal either. Samsung TV in the kitchen when I plug it in picks it up no proem also.

ED E

Just know Cush and Johnny will know the answer here #BroadbandBlowIn

South Dublin with LOS to Three Rock. TV in rear bedroom of a rental (aka no LOS from that room. How likely is a small internal antenna receiving anything usable. Due to it being a rental they've a no go on external fixtures.

Gerry Wicklow

ED E wrote: »

Just know Cush and Johnny will know the answer here #BroadbandBlowIn

South Dublin with LOS to Three Rock. TV in rear bedroom of a rental (aka no LOS from that room. How likely is a small internal antenna receiving anything usable. Due to it being a rental they've a no go on external fixtures.

Get a cheapo one from your local Euro store. If it works, great. If not no big loss. Don't be fooled into any "boosted/amplified" yoke that needs power. They are a con and only waste electricity.

The Cush

In certain situations, with a borderline good signal, an amplified aerial might give the signal a boost to the TV but could be susceptible to local interference.

Would an attic mounted aerial be an option, many years ago pre-DTT, I mounted a small indoor UHF unamplified aerial in an attic (in Tallaght) for reception of Three Rock. Never had a reception problem.

ED E

Cheers folks, time to experiment this weekend.

Thargor

I must have always been lucky with Saorview reception when living in Galway, Athlone and Bray, I can pick it up with nothing, a piece of copper wire and a co-ax connector in rural Galway, an antenna the size of a cigarette on my pcs dongle, a half broken poundshop aerial on my smart tv in Bray, I never have any bother with it.

FunkyJunky6969

Thargor wrote: »

I must have always been lucky with Saorview reception when living in Galway, Athlone and Bray, I can pick it up with nothing, a piece of copper wire and a co-ax connector in rural Galway, an antenna the size of a cigarette on my pcs dongle, a half broken poundshop aerial on my smart tv in Bray, I never have any bother with it.

Hi my LG TV is not picking up Saorview
I have an indoor aerial attached and tried to tune in Saorview but it didn't pick up any channels am I doing anything wrong ?

I have the location set to Ireland and set to scan through antenna.
My LG model number is 43UJ635V

Please any help would I would be very grateful.

STB.

ED E wrote: »

Cheers folks, time to experiment this weekend.

Yoou will probably know given your extensive broadband posting, but the biggest obstacle is getting the aerial as far away as possible from the TV.

A lot of these amplified aerials have extremely short electrical and RF leads. This makes difficult if you are trying to get the aerial to a window cill which should be the best place regardless of LOS, so you may have to run both an extension lead and the powered aerial junctioned with a back to back and a longer piece of coax cable.

padyjoe

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Hi my LG TV is not picking up Saorview

I guess you are in or around Marble City. Your aerial has a range up to 15 miles. The transmitter on Mt. Leinster is 23 miles away, so what do you expect?
Try moving the aerial around while searching for channels or you might have a better luck of getting a (amplified) rabbit ear aerial.
Simples.

FunkyJunky6969

padyjoe wrote: »

I guess you are in or around Marble City. Your aerial has a range up to 15 miles. The transmitter on Mt. Leinster is 23 miles away, so what do you expect?
Try moving the aerial around while searching for channels or you might have a better luck of getting a (amplified) rabbit ear aerial.
Simples.

Thanks for the feedback. Yes I live near the High st in the City. I do have an amplified rabbit ear indoor Aerial but still didn't work.

padyjoe

Ok. I'm not sure what's your settings like, but can give you pointers: go into your menu, bring up the manual tuning of DTV (leave analogue or cable out) and if you set the channel UHF 23, frequency 490000 kHz and bandwidth 8 MHz, you could get RTE2 while moving your aerial. I you find something, you could start an auto search from there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Leinster

FunkyJunky6969

padyjoe wrote: »

Ok. I'm not sure what's your settings like, but can give you pointers: go into your menu, bring up the manual tuning of DTV (leave analogue or cable out) and if you set the channel UHF 23, frequency 490000 kHz and bandwidth 8 MHz, you could get RTE2 while moving your aerial. I you find something, you could start an auto search from there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Leinster

Cheers for that. I think I'm out of luck. I'm not getting any signal. I took 3 pictures of my set up. The TV setting, Aerial placement and aerial range.

Please take a look and tell me what ya think?

STB.

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Cheers for that. I think I'm out of luck. I'm not getting any signal. I took 3 pictures of my set up. The TV setting, Aerial placement and aerial range.

Please take a look and tell me what ya think?

I presume that aerial is plugged into the electrical wall socket and also into the tv and the variable gain button is either pressed in or turned on to the max ? Clockwise.

They are like a volume button turn it full. Also you should be able to move the inner aerial too.

The Rods are for FM and are of no use. HD Compatible made me laugh.

I can get Mt Leinster with an indoor aerial in Wexford! Distance means nothing.

23 and 26 is what you are looking for.

FunkyJunky6969

STB. wrote: »

I presume that aerial is plugged into the electrical wall socket and also into the tv and the variable gain button is either pressed in or turned on to the max ? Clockwise.

They are like a volume button turn it full. Also you should be able to move the inner aerial too.

The Rods are for FM and are of no use. HD Compatible made me laugh.

I can get Mt Leinster with an indoor aerial in Wexford! Distance means nothing.

23 and 26 is what you are looking for.

Sound, yes I have it plugged into an extension cable and the back of the TVand the gain is turned to the max.

The TV itself just doesn't seem to pick up any signal strength.

STB.

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Sound, yes I have it plugged into an extension cable and the back of the TVand the gain is turned to the max.

The TV itself just doesn't seem to pick up any signal strength.

Humour me. Try 52 and 56.

FunkyJunky6969

STB. wrote: »

Humour me. Try 52 and 56.

No signal again bud

FunkyJunky6969

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

No signal again bud

Do you really think it could be the range of the indoor Aerial.

You think I would need an outdoor Aerial ?

STB.

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Do you really think it could be the range of the indoor Aerial.

You think I would need an outdoor Aerial ?

Could be its just shít (like its defo getting power ? Is the LED on ?

The thing with indoor aerials there are some fairly bad ones out there. Just seems unusual that you are getting nothing on that signal meter on the TV, at all.

That window that its looking out, dont suppose there a massive building within 10 feet of it!

Go back to Ch 26 and press scan on it, just in case the meter is not working.

exaisle

padyjoe wrote: »

I guess you are in or around Marble City. Your aerial has a range up to 15 miles. The transmitter on Mt. Leinster is 23 miles away, so what do you expect?

I'd love to hear where you came up with such precise figures?

Surely the ability of any antenna to receive a usable signal is dependent on the strength of signal output at the transmitter, and the gain of the actual antenna?

STB.

exaisle wrote: »

I'd love to hear where you came up with such precise figures?

Surely the ability of any antenna to receive a usable signal is dependent on the strength of signal output at the transmitter, and the gain of the actual antenna?

I am not far off 60km off Mt Leinster and pick up both muxes with an indoor funke aerial that powers off the phantom voltage on the box.

This is hardly surprising given their ERP is 160kw.

23 miles away is nothing. Thats why there is something else at play.

padyjoe

exaisle wrote: »

I'd love to hear where you came up with such precise figures?

Browsing boards.ie and putting the pieces together. ;-) I've seen the box of the aerial, it mentions 15 miles. I'm far from being a broadcast expert, I must admit.
I reckon the poster's problem is the concrete walls around the apartment. Despite saying that, I still think with the right amount of trying, it's possible to get a signal.

exaisle

padyjoe wrote: »

Browsing boards.ie and putting the pieces together. ;-) I've seen the box of the aerial, it mentions 15 miles. I'm far from being a broadcast expert, I must admit.
I reckon the poster's problem is the concrete walls around the apartment. Despite saying that, I still think with the right amount of trying, it's possible to get a signal.

The box probably also mentions "special digital antenna" or some such.. :-)

In line of sight, you'd pick up Mount Leinster with little more than a bit of wet string at 23km. I'm about 10km from Kippure and use a bit of hanger wire.

I agree though...OP should receive a decent signal with any kind of basic antenna at that distance...bit of experimentation is required, I'd say..

FunkyJunky6969

exaisle wrote: »

The box probably also mentions "special digital antenna" or some such.. :-)

In line of sight, you'd pick up Mount Leinster with little more than a bit of wet string at 23km. I'm about 10km from Kippure and use a bit of hanger wire.

I agree though...OP should receive a decent signal with any kind of basic antenna at that distance...bit of experimentation is required, I'd say..

I can get a radio signal on my battery radio no problem. Does that mean I should have a good enough signal for the TV

Thurston?

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

I can get a radio signal on my battery radio no problem. Does that mean I should have a good enough signal for the TV

FM radio is in a lower frequency band, better for indoor reception.

Is that window in your photo facing east, & above ground floor level? Is that actually a nearby wall outside, or just the way the curtain makes it look?

FunkyJunky6969

Thurston? wrote: »

FM radio is in a lower frequency band, better for indoor reception.

Is that window in your photo facing east, & above ground floor level? Is that actually a nearby wall outside, or just the way the curtain makes it look?

Thanks for the reply,

That window is facing North West. It is above ground level. It is a wall outside.

Thurston?

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

... That window is facing North West. It is above ground level. It is a wall outside.

Right, from what I've gathered about your location from this thread, the window is actually facing away from Mt. Leinster, so any radio waves getting to it directly would be passing through a good part of your own building, let alone any others.

Doesn't exactly look like a recipe for success.

Edit: Meant to mention that the alternative frequencies suggested above (52 & 56) are used at Kilduff, which is to your NW, but you didn't have any success there either.

Antenna

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Do you really think it could be the range of the indoor Aerial.

You think I would need an outdoor Aerial ?

That indoor aerial, if you got it online?, Does it by any chance have a F-connector (screw-on) instead of the usual push-on aerial plug in this part of the world (for terrestrial), and you have it connected to what should be the satellite input on that TV ???


If that is not the problem, temporarily move to a east facing window in the house?, and have the loop part of the set-top aerial broadside with the transmitter and see if it works then ??

Thurston?

Seems to be one of these, with the brandname being visible on the box photo.

Use of an extension lead is mentioned in previous posts too.

STB.

What "Antenna" the poster, is checking is that if the one for all aerial has an fconnector (which I doubt it does) which would traditionally used for satellite that you didnt connect it to the satellite input. I am sure it has a traditional RF aerial connection

I'd asked you earlier, but I see you answered Thurston that there is a big building across the road. That is most likely blocking any possibility of signal.

I am sure if you put that aerial outside on the ledge (not when its wet!!!) that you might actually get some form of signal, but that is of no use to you.

It sounds like you are you in an apartment. Have you checked the wall sockets to make sure that there isnt a feed from a communal aerial already there ?

FunkyJunky6969

STB. wrote: »

What "Antenna" the poster, is checking is that if the one for all aerial has an fconnector (which I doubt it does) which would traditionally used for satellite that you didnt connect it to the satellite input. I am sure it has a traditional RF aerial connection

I'd asked you earlier, but I see you answered Thurston that there is a big building across the road. That is most likely blocking any possibility of signal.

I am sure if you put that aerial outside on the ledge (not when its wet!!!) that you might actually get some form of signal, but that is of no use to you.

It sounds like you are you in an apartment. Have you checked the wall sockets to make sure that there isnt a feed from a communal aerial already there ?

The Aerial is a plugin one and is plugged directly into the aerial slot on the back of the TV. There is a 8ft wall about five yards from the apartment.

FunkyJunky6969

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

The Aerial is a plugin one and is plugged directly into the aerial slot on the back of the TV. There is a 8ft wall about five yards from the apartment.

The picture is correct it's a one 4 all indoor amplified aerial.

I got a loan of a Mercury brand indoor Aerial I'm going to try that as well and see if there's any difference

Thurston?

Aerial location is your problem. The transmitter network wasn't designed with indoor reception as a priority, so you have to give it all the help you can WRT building penetration etc.

Have you followed the suggestion of a previous poster re. investigating any installed wallplates?

FunkyJunky6969

Thurston? wrote: »

Aerial location is your problem. The transmitter network wasn't designed with indoor reception as a priority, so you have to give it all the help you can WRT building penetration etc.

Have you followed the suggestion of a previous poster re. investigating any installed wallplates?

Hi, please take a look at the below picture this is on on of the walls in the apartment.

Could this be what you are talking about ?

But how would it work if I put the aerial in that socket and also plug the aeria plugl into the wall. How does that get the picture onto the TV itself ?

FunkyJunky6969

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Hi, please take a look at the below picture this is on on of the walls in the apartment.

Could this be what you are talking about ?

But how would it work if I put the aerial in that socket and also plug the aeria plugl into the wall. How does that get the picture onto the TV itself ?

Better picture below

exaisle

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Hi, please take a look at the below picture this is on on of the walls in the apartment.

Could this be what you are talking about ?

But how would it work if I put the aerial in that socket and also plug the aeria plugl into the wall. How does that get the picture onto the TV itself ?

Eh....get some coaxial cable with a connector at each end. Plug one end into tht socket in the wall...plug the other end into the TV. Say a quick rosary, and try tuning the tv....

If by any chance the cable at the back of that socket is connected to some kind of communial antenna, you might be in luck..


Otherwise, it might be worth asking some of the other inmates...eh...I mean residents....what the socket in the wall is connected to...

Donutz

FunkyJunky6969 wrote:

But how would it work if I put the aerial in that socket and also plug the aeria plugl into the wall. How does that get the picture onto the TV itself ?

That socket should be connected to an ariel. All you need is a cable to run from the socket to ariel port in your tv. Just go to any electrical store and ask for a male to male ariel cable.

FunkyJunky6969

Donutz wrote: »

That socket should be connected to an ariel. All you need is a cable to run from the socket to ariel port in your tv. Just go to any electrical store and ask for a male to male ariel cable.

Cheers bud. I'll do that, hopefully I'll b in luck