Fluoride in tap water

zenno

@ King Mob

The reason for posting that document was just a query as to why Germany decided to stop fluoridation in only 2 years, and why they decided to stop it. Look at the question marks i put on each of my comments, that should have made it quite clear.

FREETV

King Mob wrote: »

And don't you worry that maybe repeating such false claims is undermining your position?
And maybe that if you didn't bother to research it, then maybe some of the other claims you are repeating without checking are also false?

Nope as I researched the rest thoroughly and common sense prevails.

FREETV

Lads, we have a few skeptics of the truth. :P

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

Nope as I researched the rest thoroughly and common sense prevails.

So why do all of the experts and sources you trust also repeat the same false claim?

What research did you do with your other claims that you did not do with this false one?

zenno

King Mob wrote: »

So then why do you think that all of the anti fluoridation sites and folks like maringo claim it was banned, which is not true?

I have no idea, unless i missed a country somewhere that did officially ban it, but to my knowledge at this time, i have not seen an official document or paper regarding fluoride having been banned, but this does not mean i am even correct as i haven't studied all countries in regards to their policies on this.

FREETV

maringo wrote: »

What have chemtrails got to do with flouridation of water? Just attempting to have a rational discussion if that's possible = but its obviously not so I'm over and out ....

Nothing at all but a lot of people thought the same thing about Fluoridation of water, poo pooed it firstly, did research and changed their minds about it, thought that maybe you may have researched in detail about peoples claims in USA, Canada etc and might post something on that thread if you knew anything revealing. Sorry.

endacl

FREETV wrote: »

Lads, we have a few skeptics of the truth. :P

Back in for a bit. You're starting to remind me of RTDH. When you get backed into a corner you wriggle a bit, make a joke and change the subject. Please at least try to be consistent. I'll indulge you on chemtrails. They are patently complete, total, and utter bollcocks. In fact, there's an entire mega thread devoted to them, so as not to detract from actual discussion.

zenno

zenno wrote: »

I have no idea, unless i missed a country somewhere that did officially ban it, but to my knowledge at this time, i have not seen an official document or paper regarding fluoride having been banned, but this does not mean i am even correct as i haven't studied all countries in regards to their policies on this.

Maybe it's because they are twisting facts and lying to make something sound scarier than it is because they are dishonest and kinda light on evidence?

FREETV

Okay guys even some water companies in certain countries won't allow it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

Nothing at all but a lot of people thought the same thing about Fluoridation of water, poo pooed it firstly, did research and changed their minds about it, thought that maybe you may have researched in detail about peoples claims in USA, Canada etc and might post something on that thread if you knew anything revealing. Sorry.

Can you give us an example of a single piece of research showing toxicity at low levels ?

FREETV

endacl wrote: »

Back in for a bit. You're starting to remind me of RTDH. When you get backed into a corner you wriggle a bit, make a joke and change the subject. Please at least try to be consistent. I'll indulge you on chemtrails. They are patently complete, total, and utter bollcocks. In fact, there's an entire mega thread devoted to them, so as not to detract from actual discussion.

Okay then , why would an ex FBI Director say that it wasn't then? Anyway lets get back on the topic of water so.
I try to add a little humour in case things begin to get a little heated.

FREETV

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/toxicchemicalsan/a/flouride_2.htm

FREETV

And the evidence goes on and on like an Ariston. Toxicity at any level, time to sue the Government people. Oh wait for it, my contact told me that they have covered their asses legally, I wonder why?

http://www.nofluoride.com/Toxicity_of_Fluoridated_Water.cfm

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

And the evidence goes on and on like an Ariston. Toxicity at any level, time to sue the Government people. Oh wait for it, my contact told me that they have covered their asses legally, I wonder why?

http://www.nofluoride.com/Toxicity_of_Fluoridated_Water.cfm

Any links to actual papers not some biased websites

zenno

We all know fluoride is in the water and food produced in Ireland but everyone is missing the most important point in all of this.

It is illegal under European law to force medicate an EU member country's citizens, this is the case with fluoride added to drinking water in Ireland and the contamination of food here as well.

There is an on-going investigation on this in Brussels but what is being said to damage the removal of fluoride from Ireland's main water supply is that the other side that forces this chemical here are saying that it is not a medicine.

If fluoride is used to help teeth and gums then it is a medicine and as such is a forced medication of Ireland's population of which is illegal in European law.

Now, how do we get it out of our main drinking water supply ?

Well there is one way and of which is happening now, and that is to contact your local TD and the government continuously without fail and demand fluoride is taken out of the water supply.

Don't forget, even if fluoride is removed permanently from the system, then all anyone has to do if they want fluoride is to purchase it in toothpaste form or salts or many other formats and at least then will we all have a choice whether to take fluoride or not.

The problem with this fluoride is the fact that people keep going on about how good it is supposed to be for our teeth but they don't talk about the ingestion part of it as it is not only in water as we know, it is in food as well so you are constantly ingesting this on a daily basis so even the contamination to food needs to stop as well.

lan

Why do you trust your friend at the DoE? He works for the government.

Could it be that once again you have a double standard, that government employees are only corrupt when they don't happen to agree with you?

You have said we are closed minded for not believing your unsubstantiated, non peer reviewed links. Answer me this, is there anything we could say or show you here that could convince you that you might be wrong, that fluoride might in fact be harmless at low concentrations like in our water?

FREETV

lan wrote: »

Why do you trust your friend at the DoE? He works for the government.

Could it be that once again you have a double standard, that government employees are only corrupt when they don't happen to agree with you?

You have said we are closed minded for not believing your unsubstantiated, non peer reviewed links. Answer me this, is there anything we could say or show you here that could convince you that you might be wrong, that fluoride might in fact be harmless at low concentrations like in our water?

I know him all of my life, that is why. Jeez even the ex Health Minister admitted that it caused cancer. China will not allow it, think about it.

zenno

zenno wrote: »

We all know fluoride is in the water and food produced in Ireland but everyone is missing the most important point in all of this.

It is illegal under European law to force medicate an EU member country's citizens, this is the case with fluoride added to drinking water in Ireland and the contamination of food here as well.

There is an on-going investigation on this in Brussels but what is being said to damage the removal of fluoride from Ireland's main water supply is that the other side that forces this chemical here are saying that it is not a medicine.

If fluoride is used to help teeth and gums then it is a medicine and as such is a forced medication of Ireland's population of which is illegal in European law.

Now, how do we get it out of our main drinking water supply ?

Well there is one way and of which is happening now, and that is to contact your local TD and the government continuously without fail and demand fluoride is taken out of the water supply.

Don't forget, even if fluoride is removed permanently from the system, then all anyone has to do if they want fluoride is to purchase it in toothpaste form or salts or many other formats and at least then will we all have a choice whether to take fluoride or not.

The problem with this fluoride is the fact that people keep going on about how good it is supposed to be for our teeth but they don't talk about the ingestion part of it as it is not only in water as we know, it is in food as well so you are constantly ingesting this on a daily basis so even the contamination to food needs to stop as well.

Because the benefits outweigh the risks. Studies in animals have shown no toxicity at low doses.

zenno

jh79 wrote: »

Because the benefits outweigh the risks. Studies in animals have shown no toxicity at low doses.

The whole point is...Give the people the choice on whether they want it or not.

You cannot force it on the population, do you not agree in freedom to choose ?.

StickyIcky

Good to see there's some reasonable thinking people here. Fluoride is the least of my health concerns and anti fluoride folk make it out to be ten times worse than it is. Fact is the only strong arguements against it are moral which you can't really argue against scientifically and that's fine. Tired of hearing the same dubious anti fluoride conspiracy type arguements though and glad to hear some scientific minded people arguing that case against the usual fluoride is deadly toxic waste mind controlling Hitler drug mumbo jumbo crowd.

FREETV

jh79 wrote: »

Because the benefits outweigh the risks. Studies in animals have shown no toxicity at low doses.

No, wrong again.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/fluoridation-fluoride-toxic-chemicals-in-your-water-2609088.htmlgain.

http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

lan

FREETV wrote: »

I know him all of my life, that is why. Jeez even the ex Health Minister admitted that it caused cancer. China will not allow it, think about it.

Ok, so you've admitted that not all government employees are corrupt liars, how do you tell the difference, assuming you cannot personally know every government employee?

Which ex minister for health (link?) and at what concentration?

You never answered my second question, is there anything we can say / do to change your mind, because it sounds to me like your mind is already made up and no amount of evidence will change it.

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

No, wrong again.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/fluoridation-fluoride-toxic-chemicals-in-your-water-2609088.htmlgain.

http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

All come up before , no research out there showing toxicity at 1ppm or any direct links to any disease types from long term exposure.

Mainstream press haven't touched this because the research just doesn't carry enough weight.

Skull Murphy

endacl wrote: »

Back in for a bit. You're starting to remind me of RTDH. When you get backed into a corner you wriggle a bit, make a joke and change the subject.

If you push him far enough, he'll try to get out by saying he doesn't really believe any of this "conspiracy crap" & he's only stringing along all the gullible idiots, jokes on you etc., etc.

You won't win an argument with someone like that.

Duiske

FREETV wrote: »

That eviro.ie pdf was advocated by a person with no financial gain or interest whatsoever and it states that if you read it.

That report is over 340 pages long so if anyone's just interested in the meat of it, its conclusions begin on page 298.

zenno

zenno wrote: »

The whole point is...Give the people the choice on whether they want it or not.

You cannot force it on the population, do you not agree in freedom to choose ?.

I do agree with freedom to choose as long as the correct information is supplied. The research out there doesn't support the theory that fluoridation is a health risk. The few animal experiments done could only show toxicity at high levels.

FREETV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecO5ykxT-AY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dH8ujIEgo

John Gormley telling the truth. Forget the other !!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebpJJeiL_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvOHACfalI

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecO5ykxT-AY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dH8ujIEgo

John Gormley telling the truth. Forget the other !!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebpJJeiL_E

The green party also believe that homeopathic remedies have merit so I wouldn't trust their judgement when it comes to scientific issues

endacl

zenno wrote: »

The whole point is...Give the people the choice on whether they want it or not.

You cannot force it on the population, do you not agree in freedom to choose ?.

Like vaccination? Look how well that works out when parents make bad decisions based on misinformation and paranoia.

FREETV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0c_kfdwQU