Fluoride in tap water

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

I guess it would effect everyone adversely if it was just dumped on land or buried and then would be completely outlawed and banned entirely.

But you are claiming that the current practice is causing adverse effects, so this is not a reason why they would use it over normal dumping.

FREETV wrote: »

Follow the money trail.

Again, you are being suspicious because money is involved, but are turning a blind eye to the millions being made by alternative health proponents.
Do you not realise that this is a massive double standard considering how you are decrying people for believing the mainstream sources?

FREETV

King Mob wrote: »

But you are claiming that the current practice is causing adverse effects, so this is not a reason why they would use it over normal dumping.

Again, you are being suspicious because money is involved, but are turning a blind eye to the millions being made by alternative health proponents.
Do you not realise that this is a massive double standard considering how you are decrying people for believing the mainstream sources?

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from any government scientists that is of any relevance or mainstream media which are all paid off and controlled by wealthy corporations.

endacl

FREETV wrote: »

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from any government scientists that is of any relevance or mainstream media which are all paid off and controlled by wealthy corporations.

That's a fine open mind you have there. This discussion has become pointless.

FREETV

endacl wrote: »

That's a fine open mind you have there. This discussion has become pointless.

The point that I am making is that everything is censored and controlled, only what they want you to know or hear about is released in the mainstream media.
Governments don't seem to be working for the people as they are supposed to.
Have you not heard other people saying that the news is completely different on RT, Aljazeera and Press TV, much more open and truthful about a lot of world affairs.

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from any government scientists that is of any relevance or mainstream media which are all paid off and controlled by wealthy corporations.

Yet you believe everything that comes from "scientists" and "experts" who just happen to be also selling stuff that fixes all the bad stuff that the government does.

Again, this is a double standard.

Every accusation you are making against mainstream scientists apply to the experts you support. You offer nothing to show that they are any more trustworthy or any less corrupt.

HurtLocker

Irish water has 0.6mg or 0.0006g of Fluoride per litre; 0.6 ppm
Toothepaste contains 1000mg or 1.0000g per litre; 1000 ppm

:rolleyes: Fluoridated water really is doing damage. Im not doing the maths now but if all this hype of fluoride is true..... I'm getting the tin foil hat.

FREETV

HurtLocker wrote: »

Irish water has 0.6mg or 0.0006g of Fluoride per litre; 0.6 ppm
Toothepaste contains 1000mg or 1.0000g per litre; 1000 ppm

:rolleyes: Fluoridated water really is doing damage. Im not doing the maths now but if all this hype of fluoride is true..... I'm getting the tin foil hat.

Read this please.

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2010/11/the-case-against-flouride/

FREETV

King Mob wrote: »

Yet you believe everything that comes from "scientists" and "experts" who just happen to be also selling stuff that fixes all the bad stuff that the government does.

Again, this is a double standard.

Every accusation you are making against mainstream scientists apply to the experts you support. You offer nothing to show that they are any more trustworthy or any less corrupt.

Government employees like people in the military, scientists do what they are told to do or say or they suffer severe implications if they don't obey these orders.

FREETV

I am saying no to fluoridation and chlorination of tap water. There should be a vote for the people of the country to decide what they want after they read or are informed about the true harm inflicted irresponsibly on them by idiots in charge.

I am pie

Show us a study.

Some actual evidence. Measurements, specifics, effect per ranges of mg by cubic litre, anything.

Stop waffling.

FREETV

I am pie wrote: »

Show us a study.

Some actual evidence. Measurements, specifics, effect per ranges of mg by cubic litre, anything.

Stop waffling.

Okay here then, if this doesn't convince you nothing will ever. Waffling my a**E.

http://www.enviro.ie/Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water Fluoridation_February 2012_EnviroManagement Services.pdf
Google it, the link won't open when copied and pasted for some reason.

tootsy70

Can anyone tell me would this ****e be in all our water we drink out of a tap in ireland. Ive always wondered about this and would even pay the high price for the filter rather than take this ****e into me.

FREETV

tootsy70 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me would this ****e be in all our water we drink out of a tap in ireland. Ive always wondered about this and would even pay the high price for the filter rather than take this ****e into me.

I know of people who dug wells to avoid this crap. Tap water tastes rotten also, undrinkable, the smell and taste of toxic chemicals.

HurtLocker

FREETV wrote: »

Read this please.

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2010/11/the-case-against-flouride/

It does not list quantities, does not mention the damage of 0.0006g per litre. Its like getting the damages of chain smoking 40 cigarettes a day and claiming smoking 1 cigarette in your lifetime does the same damage. Of course anything in too big a quantity will do damage. Sure anything can kill you if you consume too much of it.

Here read this.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

tootsy70

FREETV wrote: »

I know of people who dug wells to avoid this crap.

If you live in rural ireland the wells can be contaminated with all the ****e they spread on the fields or even the waste water from your septic tank can seep into your own well so your fcuked either way

FREETV

tootsy70 wrote: »

If you live in rural ireland the wells can be contaminated with all the ****e they spread on the fields or even the waste water from your septic tank can seep into your own well so your fcuked either way

True, filters and ozonation perhaps, even rain water is polluted.

I am pie

FREETV wrote: »

Okay here then, if this doesn't convince you nothing will ever. Waffling my a**E.

http://www.enviro.ie/Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water Fluoridation_February 2012_EnviroManagement Services.pdf

Ah yes, Mr Waugh's report. Which in no part references the effects of irish flouride levels in the human body but reports on his findings of flouride at much higher doses in animals.

Perhaps Mr. Waugh is right and the EU are wrong.

"The EU Scientific Committee on Health and Environmental Risks (SCHER), published its ‘Opinion on critical review of any new evidence on the hazard profile, health effects, and human exposure to fluoride and the fluoridating agents of drinking water’ – 16 May 2011.The main conclusions of the SCHER report are that there are no known health implications from fluoridating water at levels used in the EU."

This has been dealt with in previous threads, but you carry on recycling old arguments.

FREETV

HurtLocker wrote: »

It does not list quantities, does not mention the damage of 0.0006g per litre. Its like getting the damages of chain smoking 40 cigarettes a day and claiming smoking 1 cigarette in your lifetime does the same damage. Of course anything in too big a quantity will do damage. Sure anything can kill you if you consume too much of it.

Here read this.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Did you try to read/search for the http three posts above which I tried to copy and paste?

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

Government employees like people in the military, scientists do what they are told to do or say or they suffer severe implications if they don't obey these orders.

But not all scientists work for the government. There are many who are proponents of fluoridation who aren't funded by the government.
What about these people?

And what about the experts you are promoting, why are they not suffering the severe implications?

And still you avoid the question of what makes these experts so incorruptible. I think this is because you are applying a double standard and are believing these people simply because they are anti-government and anti mainstream (or more accurately, acting as if they were so as to market themselves better to folks like you.)

FREETV

When I typed in a google search with the following words:-government employees who were hushed after proclaiming informing others of the dangers of fluoride in tap water

the link was only a little further down from the top of the page.

PDF] 
Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal ... - Enviro.ie

www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicity,...

A different link to read also.
http://www.just-think-it.com/f-facts.htm

endacl

HurtLocker wrote: »

Irish water has 0.6mg or 0.0006g of Fluoride per litre; 0.6 ppm
Toothepaste contains 1000mg or 1.0000g per litre; 1000 ppm

:rolleyes: Fluoridated water really is doing damage. Im not doing the maths now but if all this hype of fluoride is true..... I'm getting the tin foil hat.

Careful. Tinfoil will hurt your fillings. If you have the old style evil amalgam fillings that is.

FREETV

I am one hundred percent convinced! If you read those two links and don't agree or aren't convinced people then you either are closed minded, work for the government and are a shill or work for the industry that sells the junk to governments worldwide who haven't banned it yet because a hell of a lot of countries have banned it.

FREETV

If you don't care about your health people just like alcoholics, junkies, sexaholics who take risks and are reckless/ in denial and haven't woken up then I have done all I can to convince you.

FREETV

I am pie wrote: »

Ah yes, Mr Waugh's report. Which in no part references the effects of irish flouride levels in the human body but reports on his findings of flouride at much higher doses in animals.

Perhaps Mr. Waugh is right and the EU are wrong.

"The EU Scientific Committee on Health and Environmental Risks (SCHER), published its ‘Opinion on critical review of any new evidence on the hazard profile, health effects, and human exposure to fluoride and the fluoridating agents of drinking water’ – 16 May 2011.The main conclusions of the SCHER report are that there are no known health implications from fluoridating water at levels used in the EU."

This has been dealt with in previous threads, but you carry on recycling old arguments.

The EU is known to be part of a plan for a New World Order.
Ireland is like a dog on a short leash/lead and cannot do anything important without permission from Brussels. :P

endacl

FREETV wrote: »

The EU is known to be part of a plan for a New World Order.
Ireland is like a dog on a short leash/lead and cannot do anything important without permission from Brussels. :P

You see, that's the problem with this discussion. Dogma. And dogma written by the Texas sharpshooter.

G'night all.

FREETV

FREETV wrote: »

I have done all I can to convince you.

And by done all do you mean post links from shady experts who have a hand in selling products, repeat lies and misinformation you've swallowed uncritically and then refuse to address any questions about the myriad of issues and contradictions in your position.

So basically we're all close minded/shills because we don't immediately take your word for it?

Maybe you should think about why you aren't convincing people...

FREETV

The truth is there for all to read and the point is that we should opt to get rid of fluoride and use alternatives to chlorine and should have the choice. It is a you are having it whether you like it or not with this issue attitude by the government, same as for the bailing out of the banks for example.

FREETV

King Mob wrote: »

And by done all do you mean post links from shady experts who have a hand in selling products, repeat lies and misinformation you've swallowed uncritically and then refuse to address any questions about the myriad of issues and contradictions in your position.

So basically we're all close minded/shills because we don't immediately take your word for it?

Maybe you should think about why you aren't convincing people...

That eviro.ie pdf was advocated by a person with no financial gain or interest whatsoever and it states that if you read it.

zenno

jh79 wrote: »

With a meter system we will only be paying for what we use so you could use the mains for the practical stuff and bottled for drinking.

There is presently no evidence to suggest any adverse effects of water fluoridation at concentrations present in Irish water. Ironically the papers often cited by anti-water fluoridation advocates only show toxicity at high concentrations thereby proving safety at lower concentrations.

Why filter it out it is good for your teeth.

Just because you think it is good for your teeth doesn't mean it is good for your insides/body. Fluoride was never meant to be ingested over long periods of time, your teeth are not inside your stomach are they.

FREETV

zenno wrote: »

Just because you think it is good for your teeth doesn't mean it is good for your insides/body. Fluoride was never meant to be ingested over long periods of time, your teeth are not inside your stomach are they.

At last someone who has some sense and cop on and knows what they are talking about.