Lions vs Brumbies Lineup

neilmulvey

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

If anyone I think Tim Visser would be the one with the most right to be upset.

Visser/McFadden/Ashton/Brown/Foden should all go on holiday to Sydney/Brisbane next week.

decisions

Williams is only there to hold tackle bags, he isn't going to play I hope, with 36, Wade ect there is no need for him to be there.

Buer

decisions wrote: »

Williams is only there to hold tackle bags, he isn't going to play I hope, with 36, Wade ect there is no need for him to be there.

The team for Tuesday was named last night. Williams starts. All called up players start. It's as second string as possible.

dub_skav

While it's very unusual, Williams isn't a bad call, he's a 1 off selection rather than getting somebody to travel who will have expectations of further tour involvement.

Allows all the test wingers to rest (including zebo) for one match more.
I'd say Williams will hardly even get a tracksuit

JRant

Well that's settled then. Anyone starting in that team has zero chance of making the test team.
Tipuric and SOB wont make the 23 for saturday. Considering Gatland refused to give them gametime against meaningful oppostions he obviously had no intention of picking either from the off.

How are the players who've been there weeks now at this stage going to feel when they look at the team sheet. It would appear the test team was picked around the same time as the squad was announced in April and only injuries have changed anything.

Benny Cake

Gatland, or anybody else, can dress this up any way they like, but this is completely ridiculous. Makes a mockery of the jersey when a has-been on his holidays gets called in for 80 minutes of rugby.... Between this and the warburton fiasco, I'm quickly losing interest in this tour.

JRant

Buer wrote: »

The team for Tuesday was named last night. Williams starts. All called up players start. It's as second string as possible.

Kind of makes it hard for anyone trying to put their hand up for selection though. I think a number of players have been short-changed in the tour so far.

Bridge93

I never thought it would come to this but I'm starting to lean towards hoping Australia win the series. I want Gatland to be made an example for ruining what it means to be a lion.
7 players called out is a joke. Two wingers are injured so three get called out? One centre is injured as Tuilagi is apparently fine and two get called out? There are backs in the squad who can play other positions. Between this and the Warburton issue I genuinely hope they lose at least the first test and I'll reevaluate my position after that.

twinytwo

JRant wrote: »

Well that's settled then. Anyone starting in that team has zero chance of making the test team.
Tipuric and SOB wont make the 23 for saturday. Considering Gatland refused to give them gametime against meaningful oppostions he obviously had no intention of picking either from the off.

How are the players who've been there weeks now at this stage going to feel when they look at the team sheet. It would appear the test team was picked around the same time as the squad was announced in April and only injuries have changed anything.

He may bench. But i knew Gatty was full of **** from the start. As Warburton will play regardless of the fact that SOB and Tipuric are playing vastly superior rugby to him.

Someone said yesterday that POC has more turnovers than sam does, as far as im concerned he isnt doing the job he was brought to do. not even close

Hidalgo

dub_skav wrote: »

While it's very unusual, Williams isn't a bad call, he's a 1 off selection rather than getting somebody to travel who will have expectations of further tour involvement.

Allows all the test wingers to rest (including zebo) for one match more.
I'd say Williams will hardly even get a tracksuit

All well and good bu what happens if another winger gets injured?
Does Williams then go up the pecking order or is another winger called out and go ahead of Williams?
If that's the case, then a viable winger should be called now instead of Williams, get him some gametime Tuesday and maximise his time with the rest of the squad in case he's needed for a test match.

JRant

twinytwo wrote: »

He may bench. But i knew Gatty was full of **** from the start. As Warburton will play regardless of the fact that SOB and Tipuric are playing vastly superior rugby to him.

Someone said yesterday that POC has more turnovers than sam does, as far as im concerned he isnt doing the job he was brought to do. not even close

At this stage i'd say it'll be TF or Lydiate to bench. Shame really as neither players been given a fair go.

tbm

This is all guesseork of course, but I can't see SOB not benching. He covers all 3 positions and has been the form loose forward. It's a big call leaving him out of the starting 15 anyway.

On the Williams thing, he's arriving and training in Monday, playing Tuesday and leaving the camp on Wednesday. I can see what Gatand is at, but he's going about it in quite an odd way.

There's a lot of rugby left to play. Not starting Farrell suggest they are a tad worried about our half.

Buer

tbm wrote: »

This is all guesseork of course, but I can't see SOB not benching. He covers all 3 positions and has been the form loose forward. It's a big call leaving him out of the starting 15 anyway

Agreed. I would put good money on SOB benching. Heaslip, Croft and Warburton are specialists in each slot. Gatland won't go into a test game so exposed.

trouttrout

imo it's good news that Zebo isn't starting

LostArt

trouttrout wrote: »

imo it's good news that Zebo isn't starting

I think there's a very big chance he'll bench for the first test, possibly start if North is out

thomond2006

If SOB comes off early (~ 50 minute mark) then he'll on the bench for the test.

Kiwi_knock

Yeah it is likely whoever of the backrow comes off will be on the bench for the first test.

mhtc

ColmH81 wrote: »

Sorry, badly worded.. No, not a legend, but their are players out there with more experience and who(in my opinion) are better wingers...

Just to throw it out there, in 2001 Jason Robinson was just in his 4th test before exploding onto the scene against Australia.

Not saying everyone would the the same impact as he did, but it's not all about experience; if you're good enough you're experienced enough

CIARAN_BOYLE

thomond2006 wrote: »

I didn't really through the whole lineup before, wow. It's a proper Lions 2nd team!

Also, if Shane Williams can get a callup, why can't John Hayes as well? That's the key issue here.

You fly him out to Australia for a Lions holiday and I'll take care of Cole/Jones so that the Bull gets the call up

swoody

Brumbies Team

Jesse Mogg, Henry Speight, Tevita Kuridrani, Andrew Smith, Clyde Rathbone, Matt Toomua, Ian Prior, Peter Kimlin (captain), Colby Faingaa, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, Leon Power, Scott Sio, Siliva Siliva, Ruan Smith.

Replacements: Josh Mann-Rea, Jean-Pierre Smith, Chris Cocca, Etienne Oosthuizen, Jordan Smiler, Mark Swanepoel, Robbie Coleman, Zack Holmes.

phog

decisions wrote: »

Williams is only there to hold tackle bags, he isn't going to play I hope, with 36, Wade ect there is no need for him to be there.

He's on the team sheet.

decisions

phog wrote: »

He's on the team sheet.

Only spotted that later, I only had a quick glance at it.

GiftofGab

Couldn't all this be avoided if Gatland bought 3 fly halves? He could have played Hogg on the wing. I know its not his usual position but either if fly half. I could have filled in just for one game.

dub_skav

mhtc wrote: »

Just to throw it out there, in 2001 Jason Robinson was just in his 4th test before exploding onto the scene against Australia.

Not saying everyone would the the same impact as he did, but it's not all about experience; if you're good enough you're experienced enough

But Robinson was an experienced league player. I get what you're saying but he was not quite an out and out Bolter

Duggys Housemate

Gatland doesn't want to play a first team here with potential injuries. All about Saturday.

Stev_o

ID say this will be the first Lions loss. Having Barrit there is more of a joke then Williams imo.

willit

This selection makes a bit of a joke of the Lions IMHO. It's not that Barritt, Twelvetrees, Wade & Williams have been called up because the Lions have lost 4 players in those positions, they've been called up in case the test players might get an injury. They're professional rugby players for f*#k sake, I think it's embarrassing. And Shane Williams, I'm still waiting to be told this is a joke. The guy retired from rugby, twice already. What must the likes of Tim Visser or Chris Ashton be thinking? Of course I'll be shouting for the Lions but part of me will feel sorry for the likes of Rory Best who must have thought he seriously had a shout for the test team having been called up only to now be taking the field with 4 more call ups, one of whom is retired. Very disappointed.

twinytwo

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Gatland doesn't want to play a first team here with potential injuries. All about Saturday.

then why did gatty bring 2 OH's??? its all well and good for him to say hogg can play 10, not agaisnt the aussies he cant... they will make **** of him all day. If farrell gets injured on tuesday as much as i hate the guy the lions are in a very awkward situation

Buer

Can it just be clarified, once and for all, that Shane Williams is not retired from rugby and is still playing professionally in Japan. He's there for one game. He was already en route to Australia.

I don't agree particularly with his call up but there's been a lot of misinformation floating around regarding this.

thomond2006

Buer wrote: »

Can it just be clarified, once and for all, that Shane Williams is not retired from rugby and is still playing professionally in Japan. He's there for one game. He was already en route to Australia.

I don't agree particularly with his call up but there's been a lot of misinformation floating around regarding this.

Proof: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21625402

He'll be playing another season in Japan, starting at the end of 2013.