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Razor44

100 listeners on the feed right now

Mech1

Home now, just tuned in, any freq we need to block or are we ok?

Xpro

Good few in hold now and if not happy with the conditions all routing to shannon.

Roblestone

Xpro wrote: »

Good few in hold now and if not happy with the conditions all routing to shannon.

Shannon is full now according to controller and RYR ops

Roblestone

The RYR60V captain must feel a bit silly. He came in to land earlier today and went around on short finals and then diverted to Liverpool, uploaded more fuel and took of pretty much straight away without letting conditions improve, came back to EIDW entered the hold, made an approach had a go around, entered hold again, made another approach had another go around and then diverted to Shannon.. Moral of the story is - stay in fcuking Liverpool until conditions improve

Tenger

Roblestone wrote: »

The RYR60V captain must feel a bit silly. He came in to land earlier today and went around on short finals and then diverted to Liverpool, uploaded more fuel and took of pretty much straight away without letting conditions improve, came back to EIDW entered the hold, made an approach had a go around, entered hold again, made another approach had another go around and then diverted to Shannon.. Moral of the story is - stay in fcuking Liverpool until conditions improve

I had a mate who has had her DUB-STN flight cancelled as this was the aircraft they were waiting on. They are now on a 0600 flight tomorrow.

Shamrock231

Roblestone wrote: »

Does anybody know why all the regionals are breaking off approach and diverting as soon as the hear it is "raining at the field"? I'm guessing its due to braking coefficient but why don't we hear this when the winds aren't as bad? What is it with the combination of high winds and rain that makes it not even approachable?

Good few diversions in the last 10 minutes.

Aircraft have different crosswind limits depending on whether or not the runway is wet/dry, so likely they realised that they were out of their limits due to them having to use the wet limit instead of the dry one...

fr336

Not sure if this is from yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXaMteeAhE

keith16

Potential storm conditions again on Wednesday according to the weather forum.

God bless our tiny windswept nation

fr336

Is there anyone offering a feed for Ryanair ops at Dublin at the moment? Is this the only feed page for DUB on liveatc? http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=eidw

Many thanks to all feed providers in any case, quality and reliability is amazing.

Mech1

fr336 wrote: »

Is there anyone offering a feed for Ryanair ops at Dublin at the moment? Is this the only feed page for DUB on liveatc? http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=eidw

Many thanks to all feed providers in any case, quality and reliability is amazing.

Im pretty sure the Ryanair ops is still in my feed, checking now.

Yes its in there.

fr336

Mech1 wrote: »

Im pretty sure the Ryanair ops is still in my feed, checking now.

Yes its in there.

Oh which one is that? Guessing they don't speak much?

Thanks so much for the feed!

Mech1

My feed is the top one on the EIDW link

fr336

Mech1 wrote: »

My feed is the top one on the EIDW link

Ah ok. My most regular one. If I'm working it all right I suppose it's very rare for ops to be heard since there's so much going on on the other frequencies practically all the time? Not that I'm complaining

Razor44

you'll here FR ops quite a bit actually, Aircraft looking for stand numbers etc.

fr336

Razor44 wrote: »

you'll here FR ops quite a bit actually, Aircraft looking for stand numbers etc.

I must either be having bad luck or not doing something right then Do I just go here http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=eidw and click the listen tabs?

Mech1

fr336 wrote: »

I must either be having bad luck or not doing something right then Do I just go here http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=eidw and click the listen tabs?

If your clicking on one of the listen tabs for my feed (top one) and are then hearing transmissions then your sorted. It will come through if they speak.
Pat.

fr336

Mech1 wrote: »

If your clicking on one of the listen tabs for my feed (top one) and are then hearing transmissions then your sorted. It will come through if they speak.
Pat.

Thanks Pat will keep listening then
Many thanks

Dublinflyer

Check out Pat's feed from 0600 this morning and listen to the first 10 mins or so. Delta was a naughty boy!!

Roblestone

Dublinflyer wrote: »

Check out Pat's feed from 0600 this morning and listen to the first 10 mins or so. Delta was a naughty boy!!

Am I missing something here? Ground controller was giving out that he went onto 34, but if you listen about 3 minutes before hand the tower controller told him to turn left onto 34 then right onto delta 3.

Why the pilot of the Delta said that he was told to hold short, I don't know! But it sounds like controller was in the wrong and the pilot was confused, what am I missing?

Dublinflyer

If you listen at around 2.50 you can hear the 176 been told to hold on D3 and the pilot confirms that he heard the instruction. After the surface controller asked him again about the instruction he said the wig wags were not on but the ground controller could see them from the tower.

Roblestone

Dublinflyer wrote: »

If you listen at around 2.50 you can hear the 176 been told to hold on D3 and the pilot confirms that he heard the instruction. After the surface controller asked him again about the instruction he said the wig wags were not on but the ground controller could see them from the tower.

To get to D3 you have to cross 16/34 as he was an inbound flight. The tower controller 100% said "Delta 176 turn left rwy 34 and right on delta 3" read back was correct as the next thing delta 176 knew was the ground controller telling him to stop where he was (delta 3) and asking "was he not told to hold short 34?" The pilot said he was asked that but he actually wasn't... I think he was just confused.

The wig wags the controller is talking about are on papa 2 rwy 16/34 junction. The pilots were cleared through them by tower, and I think they thought the ground controller was referring to a different set of wig wags that they couldn't see (because they didn't exist)

It's a very confusing 5 minute block of conversation but the key sentences are;

Tower; Delta 176 turn left runway 34 right onto delta 3.

5 minutes later...

Ground; Delta 176 were you not told to hold short of rwy34?

Delta 176; Err, yes Sir we were....

- but they clearly were not told to!!!

Roblestone

Roblestone wrote: »

To get to D3 you have to cross 16/34 as he was an inbound flight. The tower controller 100% said "Delta 176 turn left rwy 34 and right on delta 3" read back was correct as the next thing delta 176 knew was the ground controller telling him to stop where he was (delta 3) and asking "was he not told to hold short 34?" The pilot said he was asked that but he actually wasn't... I think he was just confused.

The wig wags the controller is talking about are on papa 2 rwy 16/34 junction. The pilots were cleared through them by tower, and I think they thought the ground controller was referring to a different set of wig wags that they couldn't see (because they didn't exist)

It's a very confusing 5 minute block of conversation but the key sentences are;

Tower; Delta 176 turn left runway 34 right onto delta 3.

5 minutes later...

Ground; Delta 176 were you not told to hold short of rwy34?

Delta 176; Err, yes Sir we were....

- but they clearly were not told to!!!

Just listened to it again, about 3 seconds into the 0600 recording you can hear Deltas read back and tower acknowledging. A rescue vehicle was even told to hold on Golf while the delta taxys up 34 on the way to D3.

Complete fcuk up by the ground controller.

No.username

Roblestone wrote: »

Just listened to it again, about 3 seconds into the 0600 recording you can hear Deltas read back and tower acknowledging. A rescue vehicle was even told to hold on Golf while the delta taxys up 34 on the way to D3.

Complete fcuk up by the ground controller.

What I find strange is the fact the ground controller told that rescue vehicle that the Delta plane was going up 34 and then going onto Delta3 and he (rescue vehicle) could go back onto 34,16 after the Delta plane had past. It was then the EXACT SAME controller that asked the Delta was he not told to hold short of runway 34.

It does appear to be ground controllers error and the pilots just agreed because they were unsure.

There is also no way that you could see the runway guard lights on Delta3 from the tower, so I agree with previous poster, the controller was talking about the wig wags on the Papa or Mike taxiway

urajoke

To the judge, jury and executioners above, you can see the lights are on on D3 VIA THE LIGHTING PANEL in the tower. His questioning sounds like he is checking with the pilot that is saying they are not lit but the panel says they are.

IRLConor

You have to listen to the 0530-0600 segment of the recording to hear the part where the ground controller tells him to hold short of 34 (at H1 I think). Once the ground controller realised that he had gone past that he told him to go up to D3 and that's the part on the 0600-0630 segment of the archive. The mistake happens on the earlier archive segment.

urajoke

IRLConor wrote: »

You have to listen to the 0530-0600 segment of the recording to hear the part where the ground controller tells him to hold short of 34 (at H1 I think). Once the ground controller realised that he had gone past that he told him to go up to D3 and that's the part on the 0600-0630 segment of the archive. The mistake happens on the earlier archive segment.

I don't agree, there is a subsequent transmission from AMC clearing Delta on to 34 and D3 at 0600z, the mistake I think happens later when the delta turns off 34 onto D3 but MAY end up on Golf. I stress may but he HAS been cleared onto 34 no doubt about that. There is no transmission suggesting lights are out on D3 just about seeing guard lights. It's confusing without seeing the ground radar and where the Delta ends up.

IRLConor

urajoke wrote: »

I don't agree, there is a subsequent transmission from AMC clearing Delta on to 34 and D3 at 0600z, the mistake I think happens later when the delta turns off 34 onto D3 but MAY end up on Golf. I stress may but he HAS been cleared onto 34 no doubt about that. There is no transmission suggesting lights are out on D3 just about seeing guard lights. It's confusing without seeing the ground radar and where the Delta ends up.

If you listen to the 0530-0600 segment you can hear that the error happened before 0600. The 0600-0630 segment just contains fallout.

urajoke

IRLConor wrote: »

If you listen to the 0530-0600 segment you can hear that the error happened before 0600. The 0600-0630 segment just contains fallout.

Right on the overlap, tower gives the clearance. First transmission is hold short of 34 (0530) then on the (0600) tower says left on 34 right D3.

IRLConor

urajoke wrote: »

Right on the overlap, tower gives the clearance. First transmission is hold short of 34 (0530) then on the (0600) tower says left on 34 right D3.

I'm on my phone at the moment but when I get home I'll do you up a transcript.