What was Irelands lowest moment?

ColeTrain

There's plenty to choose from here I'm afraid. It can be measured whatever way you want.

From the banking crisis and the world watching as we went into meltdown, to the Church scandals, to Crystal Swing performing on the Ellen Show.


What do you think?

Stinicker

Electing Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail in 1997 was a day of absolute shame

Napper Hawkins

It was between now and sometime around the Big Bang.

Bipolar Joe

About ten to twelve thousand years ago when the ice age ended.

downonthefarm

when scilachii scored in italia 90

ColeTrain

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

It was between now and sometime around the Big Bang.

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

About ten to twelve thousand years ago when the ice age ended.

Personally I would have went for something like this

ColeTrain

downonthefarm wrote: »

when scilachii scored in italia 90

I wasn't old enough to fully understand it but heartbreaking stuff I'd imagine.

Losing to Spain in penalties at the 2002 WC was low.

endacl

The day St Paddy arrived?

Karl Stein

The famine?

downonthefarm

ColeTrain wrote: »

I wasn't old enough to fully understand it but heartbreaking stuff I'd imagine.

Losing to Spain in penalties at the 2002 WC was low.

hooland in 94 was bad too,total anti-climax

ColeTrain

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

The famine?

Probably that alright.
New question then, What was Ireland's lowest moment besides The Famine?

LiamMc

Dunmore Cave
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ColeTrain

LiamMc wrote: »

Dunmore Cave
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/1b/30/f7/photo-by-ryan-brenizer.jpg

Dunmore Cave is a moment? I must have missed that.

ONeill2013

Who knows? i'm sure no member has been around since the first day of human settlement.
My prediction is the day the rubber bandits were formed.

Xavi6

P.S I Love You

Nepotism, badly written book, diddly eye movie.

BillyMitchel

downonthefarm wrote: »

when scilachii scored in italia 90

The Henry handball was worse.

Karl Stein

ColeTrain wrote: »

Probably that alright.
New question then, What was Ireland's lowest moment besides The Famine?

The civil war.

donegal_road

ColeTrain wrote: »

Probably that alright.
New question then, What was Ireland's lowest moment besides The Famine?

Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.

The impact of the war (Cromwell) on the Irish population was unquestionably severe, although there is no consensus as to the magnitude of the loss of life. The war resulted in famine, which was worsened by an outbreak of bubonic plague. Estimates of the drop in the Irish population resulting from the Parliamentarian campaign vary from 15–25%,[7] to half and even as much as five-sixths. The Parliamentarians (Cromwellians) also deported about 50,000 people as indentured labourers.

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longshanks

When so called medical professionals left a sick pregnant woman to die last October in a hospital in Galway. Recently that's the lowest.

Cody Pomeray

The plantations.

Normans and uppity Dubliners inside the Pale we could live with.

The plantations really brung it, though.

I know the Civil War has been said, but the Plantations created a pervasive civil division that has managed to survive entire centuries, and to this day leaves Irish people grappling in the dark for a national identity we will probably never recover.

Cookie_Monster

The Famine

NIMAN

I'd say the child abuse. No contest.

ilovebiology

Ann Doyle leaving The News?

kjl

Xavi6 wrote: »

P.S I Love You

Nepotism, badly written book, diddly eye movie.

The book wasn't that bad. I didn't see the movie.

Karl Stein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZvCK2o6Zbo

ilovebiology

For me I think it would be austerity that has been forced on the people. In my lifetime, I think that's the lowest time for Ireland

Royal Irish

In my lifetime the lowest point as a nation was the death of Savita Halappanavar by being refused an abortion because Ireland is a catholic country.

apollo8

Devalera signing the book of condolence for Hitler...............Shocking!:(

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

going cap in hand to the IMF

Martyn1989

Probably miwadigate

con1421

The Thierry Henry handball

mikemac1

con1421 wrote: »

The Thierry Henry handball

Yep and then Sepp Blatter laughed about Ireland being the 33rd team

Push Pop

IMF rolling into town and then having to listen to patronising commentary from our past collonial masters and bloomberg etc.

was.deevey

Dustin the Turkey representing us in the Eurovision must rank pretty high on the list.

THall04

The Stardust fire and how the families of the victims were treated in the aftermath.

osarusan

Northern Irish atrocities such as the Omagh bombing, Miami showband shootings and so on. Hepatitis C scandal, never-ending clergy abuse and cover-up stories, bank bailout, death of Savita Halappanavar.

Moments of genuine shame for this island in the eyes of the world. (Bailout perhaps less so because it wasn't only us).

pragmatic1

Becoming the testing ground for colonisation. A lot of really horrific things happened to Irish people over the years.

kylith

Not rounding up and imprisoning those members of the clergy who abused, or who colluded in or covered up the abuse of, children. A bunch of rapists and enablers walking around like they're still some kind of moral authority makes me sick.

Freddy Smelly

Stinicker wrote: »

Electing Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail in 1997 was a day of absolute shame

to be fair haughey was doing the same for many years before bertie

darlett

kylith wrote: »

Not rounding up and imprisoning those members of the clergy who abused, or who colluded in or covered up the abuse of, children. A bunch of rapists and enablers walking around like they're still some kind of moral authority makes me sick.

Yeap. How we've dealt with people who have done great wrong against the citizens since we got our independence. The afore-mentioned clergy. The absolute power of Dev and his moulding/corroding of the education system and standards. Haughey and his island and his silk shirts. The high-flying politicians and builders. Even Mr clean Kenny breaking new salary caps to give his personal adviser a pain rise (might have take that advice with a pinch of salt). Turns out our Mr. Fix-its are about as trustworthy as Jimmy.

Failure to learn from mistakes and a failure to have the self-discipline required to rule ourselves.

bumper234

ilovebiology wrote: »

For me I think it would be austerity that has been forced on the people. In my lifetime, I think that's the lowest time for Ireland

THIS.

Royal Irish wrote: »

In my lifetime the lowest point as a nation was the death of Savita Halappanavar by being refused an abortion because Ireland is a catholic country.

THIS.

apollo8 wrote: »

Devalera signing the book of condolence for Hitler...............Shocking!:(

THIS.

georgiecasey wrote: »

going cap in hand to the IMF

THIS

Push Pop wrote: »

IMF rolling into town and then having to listen to patronising commentary from our past collonial masters and bloomberg etc.

THIS.

THall04 wrote: »

The Stardust fire and how the families of the victims were treated in the aftermath.

THIS.

osarusan wrote: »

Northern Irish atrocities such as the Omagh bombing, Miami showband shootings and so on. Hepatitis C scandal, never-ending clergy abuse and cover-up stories, bank bailout, death of Savita Halappanavar.

Moments of genuine shame for this island in the eyes of the world. (Bailout perhaps less so because it wasn't only us).

THIS

kylith wrote: »

Not rounding up and imprisoning those members of the clergy who abused, or who colluded in or covered up the abuse of, children. A bunch of rapists and enablers walking around like they're still some kind of moral authority makes me sick.

AND THIS.

I hate this thread because in only 3 pages it has reminded me of why there are days i am ashamed to be Irish

vitani

Stinicker wrote: »

Electing Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail in 1997 was a day of absolute shame

Re-electing them in 2007. I actually cried the evening of that election.

mattjack

"Peig Sayers" , that book still gives me nightmares.

Annasopra

Stinicker wrote: »

Electing Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail in 1997 was a day of absolute shame

Actually 2007 was even more shameful given that we knew so much more about the antics of Bertie and Ray Burke and Charlie Haughie and Pee Flynn and Liam Lawlor and Bev Flynn and Ivor Callelly and Denis Foley

Annasopra

vitani wrote: »

Re-electing them in 2007. I actually cried the evening of that election.

Me too

Colash

Has to be the sex abuse scandals in the church . Or the chronic rise in gangland crime , killings and activity . Although I'm not really sure this could have been avoided or averted

LuckyLloyd

Colash wrote: »

Has to be the sex abuse scandals in the church . Or the chronic rise in gangland crime , killings and activity . Although I'm not really sure this could have been avoided or averted

Jaysus some people really can't see beyond what was in the papers recently.

Ireland is in great shape at the moment relative to the totality of its history. Maybe 2001 was our nadir to date? But all things considered, this is a golden age for Ireland relatively speaking.

Famine, Cromwell, Penal Laws, Plantations, The War of Independence, early decades of the Free State and Catholic Church transgressions of the time - so much shameful history to choose from that involved people being killed or marginalised because of their religion or personal life choices. Williams and the Sunday World trying to sell their latest book off the back of an imaginary 'Gangland Crime Crisis' (Ireland is one of the safest countries in the world) pales in comparison and warrants no mention in this thread.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Lot of self hating Irish people on this thread. Also a very important fact that a lot of people have conveniently overlooked is this great little nation of ours is still less than one hundred years old. Remember we kicked the English out and invited a bunch of skirt wearing freaks who answered to Rome to help run things and it is only since they lost their power have any great social changes been made for the better. As for the corrupt politicians also to be expected when you put people into power who have no right and even less ability to represent the state first day and have an electorate who vote in the children and grand children of these chancers because they fixed the road or helped young Tommy Mac out with his court case.

I can only hope the up and coming generation of Irish people can make things better and learn from the mistakes of the first hundred years and make this country a great a strong nation.

Rant over

Colash

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Jaysus some people really can't see beyond what was in the papers recently.

Ireland is in great shape at the moment relative to the totality of its history. Maybe 2001 was our nadir to date? But all things considered, this is a golden age for Ireland relatively speaking.

Famine, Cromwell, Penal Laws, Plantations, The War of Independence, early decades of the Free State and Catholic Church transgressions of the time - so much shameful history to choose from that involved people being killed or marginalised because of their religion or personal life choices. Williams and the Sunday World trying to sell their latest book off the back of an imaginary 'Gangland Crime Crisis' (Ireland is one of the safest countries in the world) pales in comparison and warrants no mention in this thread.

I guess your right . But you have to admit it's far from imaginary ! It's a very real problem . Drugs trafficking , money laundering , killings ., etc etc . It's all here

Omackeral

The Love Ulster Parade riot in 2006 shamed us on a national scale. The sickening thing was that the international media, from New York to New Zealand, painted the perpetrators as Republicans making political points rather than what they were, absolute opportunistic scum buckets intent on causing havoc and looting.


Oh and Jedward.

Dyr

I'd imagine the ould famines were fairly low points.


For a lot of people here twould have to be the crown forces leaving the 26 counties in '22