LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Eric Cartman

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

An example using this template

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/s500-lwbone-ownervery-low-mileage/27427097?campaign=3





1a - 6 points

1b - 8 points

2 - 8 points

3 - 18 points

4 - 10 points

Maybe I missed one or two things, but 50/120 is a bit disappointing. Options that this might have, but can't be seen, would be: ambient lighting (4 points), rear vanity mirrors (6 points), rear mood lighting (6 points), leather stitched dash (10 points) - if this counts:



There is some stitching.

stitched leather, panoramic roof and since its a lwb id bet it has the rear vanity mirrors in the ceiling.

It also has the little vents behind the seat and a rear tray table so I bet it has the multi contour seats with massage.

Midnight_EG

CharlieCroker wrote: »

However, my wife's top spec 142 citroen picasso gets an impressive 70 points!! :-)

We must rethink this game. I suggest Tier 1 being the make of vehicle :pac:

Eric Cartman

Midnight_EG wrote: »

We must rethink this game. I suggest Tier 1 being the make of vehicle :pac:

my game presumes the car is a barge to start with :pac:

Eric Cartman

Updated to keep out the riff raff and added more options:

Engine Tier :
4 Cylinder -150 points
6 Cylinder 0 points
8 Cylinder 20 points
10 Cylinder 25 Points
12 Cylinder 30 points

Basic Barge Tier (1 point each) :

Heated Seats, Sunroof, Soft Close Boot, Navigation, Electric Seats, Auto Dimming Rear view Mirror.

Options Tier 1 (2 points each) :

Rear Blinds, Cooled Seats, Premium Sound System, Fancy Cameras (Reverse with swinging lines, surround cameras or night vision), Soft Close Doors, Xenon Headlights, Bluetooth.

Options Tier 2 (4 points each):

Comfort / Multi Countour Seats, Winged headrests / Headrests with tv's in them, parking heater, auto dimming side mirrors, ambient lighting. Double Glazing, Rear independent climate control, Panoramic Sunroof / Dual Sunroofs, Adaptive Cruise.

Options Tier 3 (6 points each) :

Adjustable rear seats, rear seat heating or cooling, rear vanity mirrors, rear mood lighting, Air suspension or other adaptive, TV Tuner, DAB Radio.

Options Tier 4 (10 points each) :
Fridge, No back middle seat due to a wood laden control stack for rear screens and seats, Full Leather stitched Dashboard & Headliner, Massage Seats.

'Fully Loaded' id class as atleast 1 tier 4 option and 75% of the other tiers.

This scale provides a possible score for every barge out of 150, so you can metric barges on their 'fulll loadedness out out 150'

traco

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Basic Barge Tier (1 point each) :
Heated Seats, Sunroof, Soft Close Boot, Navigation, Electric Seats, Auto Dimming Rear view Mirror.

Options Tier 1 (2 points each) :
Rear Blinds, Cooled Seats, Premium Sound System, Fancy Cameras (Reverse with swinging lines, surround cameras or night vision), Soft Close Doors, Xenon Headlights

Options Tier 2 (4 points each):
Comfort / Multi Countour Seats, Winged headrests / Headrests with tv's in them, parking heater, auto dimming side mirrors, ambient lighting. Double Glazing, Rear independent climate control, Panoramic Sunroof / Dual Sunroofs, Adaptive Cruise.

Options Tier 3 (6 points each) :
Adjustable rear seats, rear seat heating or cooling, rear vanity mirrors, rear mood lighting, Air suspension or other adaptive.

Options Tier 4 (10 points each) :
Fridge, No back middle seat due to a wood laden control stack for rear screens and seats, Full Leather stitched Dashboard & Headliner, Massage Seats.

Bit confusing but here goes:
Tier 1, All = 7
Options Tier 1, All = 12 (Parking and night camer - is that worth 2 or 4?)

Tier 2, All = 36
Tier 3, 24 - Don't know if there is rear control for the ambient light in the rear. Thinks its just the one setting for the entire car.
Tier 4, 30 - The rear armrest folds down with all the rear controls for the seats and entertainment system. So lost 10 points there for that.



So looks like mine is 109.

However I don't see a private rear phone system, heated steering, rear tables, keyless go, heated washer bottle and most important LWB. Surely extar legroom in the back is part and parcel of being fully loaded?

For ref:
SA codes
Parameter Value
09N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
14N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
221B SIGN COOLANT/REFUELING - ENGLISH
223 REAR BACK REST ADJUSTMENT AND HEAD RESTRAINTS, ELE
229 PARK ASSIST
231 GARAGE DOOR OPENER
233 AUTONOMOUS INT. CRUISE CONT. PLUS (DISTRONIC PLUS)
249 INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MIRROR,AUTOMATICALLY DIMMING
250B MOBILO LIFE/EUROPE SERVICE PACKAGE
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
276 MEMORY REAR SEAT
282 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE VIA ARMREST IN REAR
283B AIRBAGLABLE - ENGLISH
289 LEATHER STEERING WHEEL WITH TRIM INSERT
297 ELECTRIC ROLLER SUN BLINDS IN REAR DOOR LH AND RH
308 REFRIGERATOR IN REAR
310 DUAL CUP HOLDER
368U FLINTGRAY - METALLIC PAINT
388 PHONE MOBILE, MTUS-SYSTEM
390 EQ SERVICE MAINTENANCE
401 FRONT SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
402 REAR SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
406 MULTI-CONTOUR REAR SEAT
407 FOLDING TABLE,MANL.ADJUSTAB.,IN REAR LEFT
408 FOLDING TABLE,MANL.ADJUSTAB.,IN REAR RIGHT
413 PANORAMIC SLIDING SUNROOF/GLASS SUNROOF
423 5-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
432 DYNAMICS SEAT,FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT
436 COMFORT HEADREST DRIVER AND FRONTPASSENGER
437 COMFORT HEADREST REAR
443 HEATED STEERING WHEEL
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
475 TIRE PRESSURE CONTROL
487 ABC SUSPENSION (ACTIVE BODY CONTROL)
500A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER TRIM
501A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
527 COMAND DVD APS WITH NAVIGATION
537L GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
540 ROLLER BLIND, ELECTRIC, FOR REAR WINDOW
551 BASIC ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM (ATA)
573 CHILD SEAT MOUNTING, ISOFIX IN REAR
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL
582 AIR CONDITIONER IN THE REAR
595 HEAT INSULATING+IR REFLECTG.SAFETY GLASS SIDE+REAR
5XXL EUROPE
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
610 NIGHT VIEW ASSIST
616 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT LEFT-DRIVE
619 CORNERING ILLUMINATION
666 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/O TIE-DOWN HOOKS
669 SPARE WHEEL / FOLDING WHEEL
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
731 TRIM PIECES - WOOD BURRED WALNUT VENEER
770 AMG 19" SPOKED WHEELS WITH MIXED TIRES
807 AEJ 06/1/M/X
807 *1 722.6__ 19960119 AEJ 06/1/M/X
807 *2 221____ 20030428 YEAR OF MODIFICATION
807 *3 275.9__ 20040909 YEAR OF MODIFICATION
810 PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
814 DVD CHANGER
856 PHONE HANDSET IN REAR ARMREST
863 TV-TUNER DIGITAL TO ANALOG
864 REAR ENTERTAINMENT (2 SCREENS)
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
876 INTERIOR LIGHT ASSEMBLY
881 REMOTE TRUNK LOCKING
882 SENSOR SYSTEM AND ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM
883 POWER CLOSING SYSTEM
885 HIGHTEN THEFT PROTECTION
889 KEYLESS - GO
910 DYNAMO WITH HIGHER CAPACITY (FFO)
91V SPEED- + LOADINDEX 96Y+101Y
983 COC PAPER EURO 4 TECHNOLOGY W/O REG. CERT. PART II
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD
F221 SERIES 221
FV SEDAN ELONGATED
GA AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
HA REAR AXLE
K10 SOFTWARE CONTROL FOR STATIC CURVE ILLUMINATION
K11 ADAPTIVE STOP LIGHT FLASHING
K12 STEUERCODE FUER SERVICEINTERVALL 30000 KM
K14 CONTROL CODE FOR SERVICE INTERVAL 20000 KM
M55 CAPACITY 5,5 LITRE
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
R01 SUMMER TIRES
U60 PEDESTRIAN PROTECTION - ACTIVE ENGINE HOOD
U72 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 2, EUROPE, JAPAN

Eric Cartman

traco wrote: »

Bit confusing but here goes:
Tier 1, All = 7
Options Tier 1, All = 12 (Parking and night camer - is that worth 2 or 4?)

Tier 2, All = 36
Tier 3, 24 - Don't know if there is rear control for the ambient light in the rear. Thinks its just the one setting for the entire car.
Tier 4, 30 - The rear armrest folds down with all the rear controls for the seats and entertainment system. So lost 10 points there for that.



So looks like mine is 109.

However I don't see a private rear phone system, heated steering, rear tables, keyless go, heated washer bottle and most important LWB. Surely extar legroom in the back is part and parcel of being fully loaded?

For ref:
SA codes
Parameter Value
09N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
14N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
221B SIGN COOLANT/REFUELING - ENGLISH
223 REAR BACK REST ADJUSTMENT AND HEAD RESTRAINTS, ELE
229 PARK ASSIST
231 GARAGE DOOR OPENER
233 AUTONOMOUS INT. CRUISE CONT. PLUS (DISTRONIC PLUS)
249 INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MIRROR,AUTOMATICALLY DIMMING
250B MOBILO LIFE/EUROPE SERVICE PACKAGE
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
276 MEMORY REAR SEAT
282 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE VIA ARMREST IN REAR
283B AIRBAGLABLE - ENGLISH
289 LEATHER STEERING WHEEL WITH TRIM INSERT
297 ELECTRIC ROLLER SUN BLINDS IN REAR DOOR LH AND RH
308 REFRIGERATOR IN REAR
310 DUAL CUP HOLDER
368U FLINTGRAY - METALLIC PAINT
388 PHONE MOBILE, MTUS-SYSTEM
390 EQ SERVICE MAINTENANCE
401 FRONT SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
402 REAR SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
406 MULTI-CONTOUR REAR SEAT
407 FOLDING TABLE,MANL.ADJUSTAB.,IN REAR LEFT
408 FOLDING TABLE,MANL.ADJUSTAB.,IN REAR RIGHT
413 PANORAMIC SLIDING SUNROOF/GLASS SUNROOF
423 5-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
432 DYNAMICS SEAT,FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT
436 COMFORT HEADREST DRIVER AND FRONTPASSENGER
437 COMFORT HEADREST REAR
443 HEATED STEERING WHEEL
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
475 TIRE PRESSURE CONTROL
487 ABC SUSPENSION (ACTIVE BODY CONTROL)
500A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER TRIM
501A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
527 COMAND DVD APS WITH NAVIGATION
537L GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
540 ROLLER BLIND, ELECTRIC, FOR REAR WINDOW
551 BASIC ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM (ATA)
573 CHILD SEAT MOUNTING, ISOFIX IN REAR
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL
582 AIR CONDITIONER IN THE REAR
595 HEAT INSULATING+IR REFLECTG.SAFETY GLASS SIDE+REAR
5XXL EUROPE
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
610 NIGHT VIEW ASSIST
616 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT LEFT-DRIVE
619 CORNERING ILLUMINATION
666 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/O TIE-DOWN HOOKS
669 SPARE WHEEL / FOLDING WHEEL
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
731 TRIM PIECES - WOOD BURRED WALNUT VENEER
770 AMG 19" SPOKED WHEELS WITH MIXED TIRES
807 AEJ 06/1/M/X
807 *1 722.6__ 19960119 AEJ 06/1/M/X
807 *2 221____ 20030428 YEAR OF MODIFICATION
807 *3 275.9__ 20040909 YEAR OF MODIFICATION
810 PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
814 DVD CHANGER
856 PHONE HANDSET IN REAR ARMREST
863 TV-TUNER DIGITAL TO ANALOG
864 REAR ENTERTAINMENT (2 SCREENS)
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
876 INTERIOR LIGHT ASSEMBLY
881 REMOTE TRUNK LOCKING
882 SENSOR SYSTEM AND ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM
883 POWER CLOSING SYSTEM
885 HIGHTEN THEFT PROTECTION
889 KEYLESS - GO
910 DYNAMO WITH HIGHER CAPACITY (FFO)
91V SPEED- + LOADINDEX 96Y+101Y
983 COC PAPER EURO 4 TECHNOLOGY W/O REG. CERT. PART II
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD
F221 SERIES 221
FV SEDAN ELONGATED
GA AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
HA REAR AXLE
K10 SOFTWARE CONTROL FOR STATIC CURVE ILLUMINATION
K11 ADAPTIVE STOP LIGHT FLASHING
K12 STEUERCODE FUER SERVICEINTERVALL 30000 KM
K14 CONTROL CODE FOR SERVICE INTERVAL 20000 KM
M55 CAPACITY 5,5 LITRE
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
R01 SUMMER TIRES
U60 PEDESTRIAN PROTECTION - ACTIVE ENGINE HOOD
U72 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 2, EUROPE, JAPAN

you are correct, my list needs more work.

traco

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Updated to keep out the riff raff and added more options:

Engine Tier :
4 Cylinder -150 points
6 Cylinder 0 points
8 Cylinder 20 points
10 Cylinder 25 Points
12 Cylinder 30 points

Basic Barge Tier (1 point each) :

Heated Seats, Sunroof, Soft Close Boot, Navigation, Electric Seats, Auto Dimming Rear view Mirror.

Options Tier 1 (2 points each) :

Rear Blinds, Cooled Seats, Premium Sound System, Fancy Cameras (Reverse with swinging lines, surround cameras or night vision), Soft Close Doors, Xenon Headlights, Bluetooth.

Options Tier 2 (4 points each):

Comfort / Multi Countour Seats, Winged headrests / Headrests with tv's in them, parking heater, auto dimming side mirrors, ambient lighting. Double Glazing, Rear independent climate control, Panoramic Sunroof / Dual Sunroofs, Adaptive Cruise.

Options Tier 3 (6 points each) :

Adjustable rear seats, rear seat heating or cooling, rear vanity mirrors, rear mood lighting, Air suspension or other adaptive, TV Tuner, DAB Radio.

Options Tier 4 (10 points each) :
Fridge, No back middle seat due to a wood laden control stack for rear screens and seats, Full Leather stitched Dashboard & Headliner, Massage Seats.

'Fully Loaded' id class as atleast 1 tier 4 option and 75% of the other tiers.

This scale provides a possible score for every barge out of 150, so you can metric barges on their 'fulll loadedness out out 150'

What about turbos??

Eric Cartman

traco wrote: »

What about turbos??

a barge wafts not surges, they are nice but award no points :pac:

if I give points for turbos we'd have lads with 730d's out-pointing lads in 740i's and we can't have that.

traco

Have we had this 350 - looks well presented. Has a Pirelli fitted so thats something. Rear could do with a little tidy pn bumper and boot but not bad for the money I reckon if it all checked out. Bit of tax and NCT still on it.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s350-nct-amp-tax-p-ex-possible-/27416430?campaign=3

traco

Eric Cartman wrote: »

a barge wafts not surges, they are nice but award no points :pac:

if I give points for turbos we'd have lads with 730d's out-pointing lads in 740i's and we can't have that.

Fair enough - so one trubo doesn't count?? It can still waft if you gently caress the pedal.

Eric Cartman

traco wrote: »

Fair enough - so one trubo doesn't count?? It can still waft if you gently caress the pedal.

I think youre in the very enviable position of having one of the few turbo petrol V engines available, between the S and the audi S8 i think those are the only two barges (excluding fancy alpina models or anything before anyone starts) that have such an option, in terms of trying to keep any rating very general i think leaving turbos score points would skew it for diesels and the rare unicorn petrol turbo barges.

Be proud I have to leave it out to stop your car dominating the barge score :pac:

trellheim

my two LS400s back in the day would score very low on those and there is no world where they are not firmly in barge territory

Lurching

trellheim wrote: »

my two LS400s back in the day would score very low on those and there is no world where they are not firmly in barge territory

There's no doubting their status as barges, but they're not fully-loaded barges.

trellheim

Lurching wrote: »

There's no doubting their status as barges, but they're not fully-loaded barges.

I get it I am just looking at Loaded in a different light

Eric Cartman

trellheim wrote: »

my two LS400s back in the day would score very low on those and there is no world where they are not firmly in barge territory

LS400s had car phones, heated seats, auto dim rear view, I believe bose(yes the speaker company) adjustable suspension was a us option , premium audio,

The LS430 really took lexus to propper fully loaded barge town though.

KevRossi

But the LS was loaded for it's time, so should be considered 'fully loaded'. You can't argue that a car doesn't have options that were unavailable at the time it was ordered.

If that's the case a fully loaded 1990 Toyota Century or E32 750iL could never be a barge in today's world.

I think it's all a case of perception.

Eric Cartman

KevRossi wrote: »

But the LS was loaded for it's time, so should be considered 'fully loaded'. You can't argue that a car doesn't have options that were unavailable at the time it was ordered.

If that's the case a fully loaded 1990 Toyota Century or E32 750iL could never be a barge in today's world.

I think it's all a case of perception.

It is definitely time dependent , its why I didnt want to add things like heads up display or lane keeping etc.. this is a thread for 5k barges and most in the post 2000 era were all looking at now do have these options, its just a bit of fun really, nobody is doubting the bargy qualities of an old LS or an e32 , that said finding an e32 for under 5k or a decent LS for that money is getting harder and harder

Lurching

KevRossi wrote: »

But the LS was loaded for it's time, so should be considered 'fully loaded'. You can't argue that a car doesn't have options that were unavailable at the time it was ordered.

If that's the case a fully loaded 1990 Toyota Century or E32 750iL could never be a barge in today's world.

I think it's all a case of perception.

It probably is a generational thing. Different requirements for "fully-loaded" depending on the decade.

That being said, what options can you get on the latest S-Class that weren't available 10 or 15 years ago? Has progress slowed?

frozenfrozen

donedeal people would have you think fully loaded is leather and remote central locking

Eric Cartman

Lurching wrote: »

It probably is a generational thing. Different requirements for "fully-loaded" depending on the decade.

That being said, what options can you get on the latest S-Class that weren't available 10 or 15 years ago? Has progress slowed?

On the infotainment side - lightyears ahead , on the actual driving systems and true luxury features theres been little progress in material quality and aside from adding a scent diffuser or better AI suspension systems theres not a lot that makes it more confortable

Padre_Pio

frozenfrozen wrote: »

donedeal people would have you think fully loaded is leather and remote central locking

2 many xtras 2 mention

Padre_Pio

Eric Cartman wrote: »

On the infotainment side - lightyears ahead , on the actual driving systems and true luxury features theres been little progress in material quality and aside from adding a scent diffuser or better AI suspension systems theres not a lot that makes it more confortable

I'd argue the actual features have still changed very little.

Things get a bit flashier looking, better graphics, faster response, but not much else. I'd say it's only in the last 5 years that cars have Bluetooth and USB ports as standard, very few cars have USB ports where you actually need them, like outside the glove box or centre console.

frozenfrozen

That recently new A8 has the system where it squats or lifts in side impacts. must be other stuff like that which will only reveal itself as a rare option when we are buying them for 5k in 15 years

Lurching

I wonder whether €5k is a good number to limit this thread by nowadays.
Sub €5k is entering ruined high-miler territory now.

Decent looking machines tend to be just over €5k now.

I know the cut-off was changed a few years ago. What was it before that?

Duke O Smiley

There was no limit until a few years ago.

IMO this thread was better with no price limit, always good to be able to discuss a barge of any price point when something interesting pops up on Donedeal.

Sam Russell

Perhaps there should be a lower limit on the cars original list price - say €80,000 or €100,000 and a 90% or 95% depreciation.

High mileage and high owner count tend to reduce the price - often turning them into undesirable cars.

The key should be desirability.

KevRossi

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

There was no limit until a few years ago.

IMO this thread was better with no price limit, always good to be able to discuss a barge of any price point when something interesting pops up on Donedeal.

Maybe a 'Luxobarge' and a 'Luxobargeonomics' thread?


Luxobargeonomics sounds a bit German.:)

Top Dog

KevRossi wrote: »

But the LS was loaded for it's time, so should be considered 'fully loaded'. You can't argue that a car doesn't have options that were unavailable at the time it was ordered.

If that's the case a fully loaded 1990 Toyota Century or E32 750iL could never be a barge in today's world.

I think it's all a case of perception.

I think you may be misunderstanding the discussion. Nobody is saying that they're not barges, they're saying that they don't count as "fully loaded" barges. So your example of an E32 750iL was, and always will be, a barge. But whether it qualifies as fully loaded will depend on the options it came with.

trellheim

But whether it qualifies as fully loaded will depend on the options it came with.

now we are talking./.... "that were available at the time"

Padre_Pio

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

There was no limit until a few years ago.

IMO this thread was better with no price limit, always good to be able to discuss a barge of any price point when something interesting pops up on Donedeal.

How often do people keep to the limit though/ Plenty of cars here are over €5k.

A price limit keeps it interesting. You can post high-cost cars all day long, but the cheap gems are what makes this thread interesting.