LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

BonnieSituation

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

I think the windscreen was dirty & it's casting a shadow on the drivers seat

Perhaps?

Rear drivers side seat looks mouldy. anyway, I'll stop casting aspersions on a car I am not in the market for.

Cyrus

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Perhaps?

Rear drivers side seat looks mouldy. anyway, I'll stop casting aspersions on a car I am not in the market for.

id imagine some gliptone would have that leather looking new, it probably hasnt been treated since new.

ofcork

Alloys from the W221 s class don't suit it don't think it came with them originally?

jmreire

Eric Cartman wrote: »

4% of its original value now and still a cracking car.

And with only 124'000 Miles done, its still a baby. Even driving at 100 MPH all day, every day ( German Autobahn) it would not even break into a sweat, never mind red lining. Its some car all right.

Sam Russell

jmreire wrote: »

And with only 124'000 Miles done, its still a baby. Even driving at 100 MPH all day, every day ( German Autobahn) it would not even break into a sweat, never mind red lining. Its some car all right.

And one years depreciation from new would buy the car and tax it for two years, and possibly keep it filled with petrol for the two years.

If I wanted one, which I do not, then I would look at this. It is the old Jaguar thing - if you can afford one, then buy a new one.

Tommyboy40

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Case in point Eric:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500/24908911



Well spec'd (with all important ventilated seats), nice plate, nice bit of tax

1 previous owner and an original Irish car. I like the look of this

Edit: 10,000 posts!

The ventilated seats are a bit pointless tbh. They're not cooled, it's simply a fan underneath them. It's a cheap car but just to be aware that it will shortly need at least one shock and at that age you'd need to plan on spending about 5k on servicing over the next 2 years. Also a set of rubber is going to cost €1k

Lurching

Tommyboy40 wrote: »

The ventilated seats are a bit pointless tbh. They're not cooled, it's simply a fan underneath them. It's a cheap car but just to be aware that it will shortly need at least one shock and at that age you'd need to plan on spending about 5k on servicing over the next 2 years. Also a set of rubber is going to cost €1k

We don't need that kind of negativity around here
(The cars are cheap for a reason!)

Tommyboy40

Tommyboy40 wrote: »

The ventilated seats are a bit pointless tbh. They're not cooled, it's simply a fan underneath them. It's a cheap car but just to be aware that it will shortly need at least one shock and at that age you'd need to plan on spending about 5k on servicing over the next 2 years. Also a set of rubber is going to cost €1k

"Big service 01/19 Spark plugs, Coolant, Brake fluid, Gearbox serviced, Brake discs and pads
Engine oil and filters
Last service 12/19"

It might go for quite a few years more without needing much with some luck though?

KevRossi

If I had €10K to throw around, I'd buy that CL500, drive it to Vladivostok via Istanbul and the 'Stans and flog it there for whatever.

3-5 month epic road trip. I used to do stuff like that in my 20's with old Mercs and BMW's. Lockdown is giving me some strange ideas.

jmreire

KevRossi wrote: »

If I had €10K to throw around, I'd buy that CL500, drive it to Vladivostok via Istanbul and the 'Stans and flog it there for whatever.

3-5 month epic road trip. I used to do stuff like that in my 20's with old Mercs and BMW's. Lockdown is giving me some strange ideas.

That would be an epic trip all right aside from everything else, driving a RHD car on LHD road's would be a thrill-a-minute stuff. And a car like that Merc would be a magnet for more than car buff's !!! :):):) But, an unforgettable experience. for all of that. I once drove from Russia to Bruxelles, and I still remember it vividly.

jmreire

Sam Russell wrote: »

And one years depreciation from new would buy the car and tax it for two years, and possibly keep it filled with petrol for the two years.

If I wanted one, which I do not, then I would look at this. It is the old Jaguar thing - if you can afford one, then buy a new one.

Yup, thats what depreciation is and does.....on the positive side, it brings expensive cars within reach of anyone who would like a car like this, you just have to wait awhile. Wonder what the equivalent version MB would cost today? And would I rush out and buy it? Nope....I'd wait for the old depreciation to kick in and go for it then, but thats just me :cool:

Sam Russell

jmreire wrote: »

Yup, thats what depreciation is and does.....on the positive side, it brings expensive cars within reach of anyone who would like a car like this, you just have to wait awhile. Wonder what the equivalent version MB would cost today? And would I rush out and buy it? Nope....I'd wait for the old depreciation to kick in and go for it then, but thats just me :cool:

They are expensive new because they are big, premium and complicated and cost a lot to maintain. They are cheap when old because they could cost a fortune to remedy any major fault and there can be many of those, plus routine maintenance like service, tyres, brakes, etc are all premium prices. There are things to go wrong that do not even exist in the average car.

However, if anyone wanted one, this one is a good place to start. It would cost less to own than say a new A4 over two or three years for a low mileage user, but nicer.

Eric Cartman

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are expensive new because they are big, premium and complicated and cost a lot to maintain. They are cheap when old because they could cost a fortune to remedy any major fault and there can be many of those, plus routine maintenance like service, tyres, brakes, etc are all premium prices. There are things to go wrong that do not even exist in the average car.

However, if anyone wanted one, this one is a good place to start. It would cost less to own than say a new A4 over two or three years for a low mileage user, but nicer.

tbh , if youre handy with a spanner and on enough make / model specific forums, its quite easy to maintain something like that, there has never been a time before with more access to parts, documentation, software and tricks for fixing older cars, especially older German cars. If you're not handy absolutely stay away, buy something on pcp and leave it at that, but the cost of maintaining something like that now compared to a run of the mill car would not be far off.

those were not a soft engine or gearbox , so beyond that you'd pay 10-20% more than a run of the mill car to maintain most of it.

jmreire

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are expensive new because they are big, premium and complicated and cost a lot to maintain. They are cheap when old because they could cost a fortune to remedy any major fault and there can be many of those, plus routine maintenance like service, tyres, brakes, etc are all premium prices. There are things to go wrong that do not even exist in the average car.

However, if anyone wanted one, this one is a good place to start. It would cost less to own than say a new A4 over two or three years for a low mileage user, but nicer.

Yes, thats the whole point Sam. Cost less to own than an A4 ( and many similar makes ) The repairs and servicing costs come with every car, and once the warranty is finished, then you are at the mercy of the dealership in any case. Bit of a gamble either way, but I will say this much about reliability, I remember when every town and village had it's own car workshop, and many had several, and all were kept busy, and that's not too far back in the past either. But technology has improved vehicle design and construction to the extent that cars no longer break down as much as they once did, So from that viewpoint, I'd take a chance on a car like the one we are discussing being maybe even more reliable than normal, because that was what they were charging the high price's for.

Sam Russell

jmreire wrote: »

Yes, thats the whole point Sam. Cost less to own than an A4 ( and many similar makes ) The repairs and servicing costs come with every car, and once the warranty is finished, then you are at the mercy of the dealership in any case. Bit of a gamble either way, but I will say this much about reliability, I remember when every town and village had it's own car workshop, and many had several, and all were kept busy, and that's not too far back in the past either. But technology has improved vehicle design and construction to the extent that cars no longer break down as much as they once did, So from that viewpoint, I'd take a chance on a car like the one we are discussing being maybe even more reliable than normal, because that was what they were charging the high price's for.

Precisely, it is a chance that is worth it for someone, but might be expensive if it does not work out. But it is a lot of car for little money. The biggest danger is that it would be too nice and one keeps it - hang the expense.

Truckermal

Truckermal wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/20385514

This is my own, no point in keeping it as I never drive it!

Deposit paid on this I'll miss it but not as much as the GS 300 I purchased from Padraig Mor on here, it was a class Car and drove better than any new 5 Series or A6. The man that purchased it absolutely loves it too!

No need for another Car for a few months as herself is on maternity leave.

ofcork

jmreire wrote: »

Yup, thats what depreciation is and does.....on the positive side, it brings expensive cars within reach of anyone who would like a car like this, you just have to wait awhile. Wonder what the equivalent version MB would cost today? And would I rush out and buy it? Nope....I'd wait for the old depreciation to kick in and go for it then, but thats just me :cool:

Cheapest s class coupe is 187k!!

jmreire

ofcork wrote: »

Cheapest s class coupe is 187k!!

Thanks ofcork,
Definitely a 10 ( or more ) year down the road kinda car.....
Quote :-
Your car's value decreases around 20% to 30% by the end of the first year. From years two to six, depreciation ranges from 15% to 18% per year, according to recent data from Black Book, which tracks used-car pricing. As a rule of thumb, in five years, cars lose 60% or more of their initial value. UnQuote..

But maybe worth waiting for????

Sam Russell

jmreire wrote: »

Thanks ofcork,
Definitely a 10 ( or more ) year down the road kinda car.....
Quote :-
Your car's value decreases around 20% to 30% by the end of the first year. From years two to six, depreciation ranges from 15% to 18% per year, according to recent data from Black Book, which tracks used-car pricing. As a rule of thumb, in five years, cars lose 60% or more of their initial value. UnQuote..

But maybe worth waiting for????

I think those figures are general, but the higher the initial price of the car the steeper the depreciation. Of course, high Motor Tax would increase that depreciation, plus higher insurance rates. Reliability and desirability play their part too.

Of course, model year has a part too. Run out models are sold with extras at no extra, but still fare badly down the line compared with face lift versions.

jmreire

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think those figures are general, but the higher the initial price of the car the steeper the depreciation. Of course, high Motor Tax would increase that depreciation, plus higher insurance rates. Reliability and desirability play their part too.

Of course, model year has a part too. Run out models are sold with extras at no extra, but still fare badly down the line compared with face lift versions.

Yes, I'd say that you are probably right in that, as they would be based on an average, and that any "deficiency" in the figures would be more than made up for by motor tax, insurance plus a plethora of "Other" that apply in Ireland. Motor value depreciation here has to be one of the highest depreciation rates for anything you will purchase.

theoneeyedman

I always go by the rule of thumb that a car loses half it's real value every 3 years, so say a 30 k new car is worth 15 k after 3 years, 7.5 k after 6 years etc. Not always 100% right, abd from what I've seen top marque type machines fall very quickly in the first few years, but it's not too far off the mark as a rule of thumb.

Sam Russell

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I always go by the rule of thumb that a car loses half it's real value every 3 years, so say a 30 k new car is worth 15 k after 3 years, 7.5 k after 6 years etc. Not always 100% right, abd from what I've seen top marque type machines fall very quickly in the first few years, but it's not too far off the mark as a rule of thumb.

Add that the higher the price, the faster the drop.

Tommyboy40

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are expensive new because they are big, premium and complicated and cost a lot to maintain. They are cheap when old because they could cost a fortune to remedy any major fault and there can be many of those, plus routine maintenance like service, tyres, brakes, etc are all premium prices. There are things to go wrong that do not even exist in the average car.

However, if anyone wanted one, this one is a good place to start. It would cost less to own than say a new A4 over two or three years for a low mileage user, but nicer.

Most parts for this would be much cheaper than a current 3 series BMW. there are a couple of expensive items but mine has been relatively trouble free and has ridiculous comfort and presence. You do need access to the MB Star system as the generic ones won't read some of the codes

jmreire

Tommyboy40 wrote: »

Most parts for this would be much cheaper than a current 3 series BMW. there are a couple of expensive items but mine has been relatively trouble free and has ridiculous comfort and presence. You do need access to the MB Star system as the generic ones won't read some of the codes

I have an iCarsoft CRO-PRO specific for MB ( will handle other makes too, but limited range of codes as it's MB ) and for me at any rate, it does everything that I need, and while its not star, ( which is dealership level ) it has a very good level of functionality. Should be OK for the MB CL 500 too.

wonski

Tommyboy40 wrote: »

Most parts for this would be much cheaper than a current 3 series BMW. there are a couple of expensive items but mine has been relatively trouble free and has ridiculous comfort and presence. You do need access to the MB Star system as the generic ones won't read some of the codes

Most? Some perhaps.

Since you drive one you are better informed than I am, but I don't think it's cheap to maintain.

Sam Russell

jmreire wrote: »

I have an iCarsoft CRO-PRO specific for MB ( will handle other makes too, but limited range of codes as it's MB ) and for me at any rate, it does everything that I need, and while its not star, ( which is dealership level ) it has a very good level of functionality. Should be OK for the MB CL 500 too.

I think the type of people who buy these cars new, would have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt they would even know how to change a punctured wheel.

jmreire

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think the type of people who buy these cars new, would have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt they would even know how to change a punctured wheel.

Yes Sam, fair comment...that's always a possibility, I hadn't thought about it like that because a lot of the posters on this forum ( and other motor section here ) are very mechanically minded, you can tell from their comments. But then again, you will also have a lot of posters asking for advice, as they are not mechanically experienced.

Sam Russell

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think the type of people who buy these cars new, would have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt they would even know how to change a punctured wheel.

Indeed..... Buying new presumably the intent would be 100% dealer servicing & maintenance.

Tea drinker

jmreire wrote: »

Yes Sam, fair comment...that's always a possibility, I hadn't thought about it like that because a lot of the posters on this forum ( and other motor section here ) are very mechanically minded, you can tell from their comments. But then again, you will also have a lot of posters asking for advice, as they are not mechanically experienced.

Ahhh but with technological advancements and gadgets said owner of brand new barge can seek out that elusive mechanical knowledge from the comfort of his 7 series? Will we see a revitalisation of the DIY thread? :pac:

jmreire

Tea drinker wrote: »

Ahhh but with technological advancements and gadgets said owner of brand new barge can seek out that elusive mechanical knowledge from the comfort of his 7 series? Will we see a revitalisation of the DIY thread? :pac:

Well, the thread heading is "Luxbarge" under €5000, so maintenance would be a factor in that. For purchasers of brand new €170'000 + cars, thats a whole different story....:):):):)