British and Irish Lions vs Queensland Reds Sat 8 June 10:30am; Sky Sports 1

Cypher_sounds

danthefan wrote: »

That is a serious bench.

Rich mahogany

Cypher_sounds

Yeah its pretty good but im a little disappointed their aren't more Irish players starting, guess Gatland has to try different systems and combinations.

Swiwi

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Yeah its pretty good but im a little disappointed their aren't more Irish players starting, guess Gatland has to try different systems and combinations.

And not pander to one country!

awec

caff wrote: »

Anywhere in Dublin city centre showing this at that hour of the morning

Sinnotts I'm sure.

Buer

Everywhere that's open, I'm sure! I'd say any pub in town that normally shows rugby will have it on. Pub opening hours are 10.30am. No problem finding anywhere.

Leslie91

Buer wrote: »

Everywhere that's open, I'm sure! I'd say any pub in town that normally shows rugby will have it on. Pub opening hours are 10.30am. No problem finding anywhere.

I'll be in the local for brekkie and the match. Any pub open and not showing the match should never ever be visited!.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Yeah its pretty good but im a little disappointed their aren't more Irish players starting, guess Gatland has to try different systems and combinations.

Short turnaround since the last game. Wouldn't want to start Wednesday and go out and play another 80 minutes on Saturday.

leonard7

farrel v cooper....complete opposites?

TheGoldenAges

He's fat, he's round, he always goes to ground Matt Stevens, Matt Stevens..

Every time he's named on the team or comes off the bench it must be posted. A little something I picked up from some Leicester fans :pac:

fitz213

Presumably the test team will be wheeled out on Tues and then given 10 days rest. Expect Bowe, Warburton & Faletau to do 60mins top...

danthefan

Glad the Reds are putting out a strong side.

Tox56

danthefan wrote: »

Glad the Reds are putting out a strong side.

Would rather have had the Wednesday team playing on Saturday and vice versa, would have been a proper test. A lot of this team is just giving the remaining guys a start and sticking a few other available guys in, the team on Wednesday looked a bit more balanced and had a few more potential starters

Taco Corp

so who'll be taking the kicks? I'd imagine that Hogg will take them given Farrell took in the Baa-baa's game. When Sexton comes on, he'll probably take over

totallegend

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

so who'll be taking the kicks? I'd imagine that Hogg will take them given Farrell took in the Baa-baa's game. When Sexton comes on, he'll probably take over

Farrell will take the kicks.

Swiwi

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

so who'll be taking the kicks? I'd imagine that Hogg will take them given Farrell took in the Baa-baa's game. When Sexton comes on, he'll probably take over

What is it on this forum with pass-the-parcel with goalkicking? Your best kicker takes the kicks. So when HP is on the field he takes them. I can't possibly see why Hogg would be taking the kicks if Farrell is on the field. There seems to be pages filled with debating whether Sexton will take the kicking ahead of HP. I even saw someone writing that Sexton had hurt feelings that HP took the kicking v the Force.

JS: I'm really hurt I didn't get to take the kicks.
WG: But Halfpenny slotted 11/11, Johnny.
JS: I can do better than that!

Taco Corp

Swiwi wrote: »

What is it on this forum with pass-the-parcel with goalkicking? Your best kicker takes the kicks. So when HP is on the field he takes them. I can't possibly see why Hogg would be taking the kicks if Farrell is on the field. There seems to be pages filled with debating whether Sexton will take the kicking ahead of HP. I even saw someone writing that Sexton had hurt feelings that HP took the kicking v the Force.

JS: I'm really hurt I didn't get to take the kicks.
WG: But Halfpenny slotted 11/11, Johnny.
JS: I can do better than that!

if Hogg really is back up 10 then I'd expect him to get an opportunity to take kicks in one of the tour games. Everyone seems to be getting the opportunity. Ultimately though I do agree that best kicker should kick.

Tox56

Swiwi wrote: »

What is it on this forum with pass-the-parcel with goalkicking? Your best kicker takes the kicks. So when HP is on the field he takes them. I can't possibly see why Hogg would be taking the kicks if Farrell is on the field. There seems to be pages filled with debating whether Sexton will take the kicking ahead of HP. I even saw someone writing that Sexton had hurt feelings that HP took the kicking v the Force.

JS: I'm really hurt I didn't get to take the kicks.
WG: But Halfpenny slotted 11/11, Johnny.
JS: I can do better than that!

In general absolutely, but in a tour like this you have to give all the kickers a decent amount of live game kicking practice. If Halfpenny doesn't make the first test Sexton becomes your front line kicker, he'll need a fair amount of preparation. Given that Sexton and Halfpenny look like they'll be starting most of their warm-up games together you need to find some time for Sexton, Hogg is probably too far down the pecking order to be relevant though

Swiwi

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

if Hogg really is back up 10 then I'd expect him to get an opportunity to take kicks in one of the tour games. Everyone seems to be getting the opportunity. Ultimately though I do agree that best kicker should kick.

I dunno. It'd be pretty unlucky for the Lions to have both Halfpenny & Sexton leave the field during a game. The Reds is probably the toughest of the non-test games the Lions will have, so they don't want to be leaving points on the field, just to give Hogg a shot at goalkicking. Farrell strikes me as a confidence player, and slotting a few early penalties would help him I reckon.

Swiwi

Tox56 wrote: »

In general absolutely, but in a tour like this you have to give all the kickers a decent amount of live game kicking practice. If Halfpenny doesn't make the first test Sexton becomes your front line kicker, he'll need a fair amount of preparation. Given that Sexton and Halfpenny look like they'll be starting most of their warm-up games together you need to find some time for Sexton, Hogg is probably too far down the pecking order to be relevant though

Oh no! Not the HP might not make the first test thing again. Unless he gets injured he will be in the starting XV. And if he does get injured Sexton will be 1 goalkicker, and Farrell on the bench the other. I don't see Hogg needing to kick at goal at all.

danthefan

Swiwi wrote: »

What is it on this forum with pass-the-parcel with goalkicking? Your best kicker takes the kicks. So when HP is on the field he takes them. I can't possibly see why Hogg would be taking the kicks if Farrell is on the field. There seems to be pages filled with debating whether Sexton will take the kicking ahead of HP. I even saw someone writing that Sexton had hurt feelings that HP took the kicking v the Force.

JS: I'm really hurt I didn't get to take the kicks.
WG: But Halfpenny slotted 11/11, Johnny.
JS: I can do better than that!

It's pretty obvious there's an indelible link between the outhalf position and goal kicking in the minds of some posters (and Irish rugby supporters in general).

1/2p is obviously going to kick in the tests unless he has a collapse in form, unreal against the Force.

Tox56

Swiwi wrote: »

Oh no! Not the HP might not make the first test thing again. Unless he gets injured he will be in the starting XV. And if he does get injured Sexton will be 1 goalkicker, and Farrell on the bench the other. I don't see Hogg needing to kick at goal at all.

I was talking injury and assuming both Sexton and Halfpenny are nailed on in their respective positions

Swiwi

danthefan wrote: »

It's pretty obvious there's an indelible link between the outhalf position and goal kicking in the minds of some posters (and Irish rugby supporters in general).

1/2p is obviously going to kick in the tests unless he has a collapse in form, unreal against the Force.

Totally agree. It's quite possible HP could be the difference between the 2 sides. Australia do not have any goalkickers in his class. JOC is a 70-80% man I would think, ditto for Beale, Lealiifano, maybe Berrick Barnes is a tad better.

danthefan

Tox56 wrote: »

In general absolutely, but in a tour like this you have to give all the kickers a decent amount of live game kicking practice. If Halfpenny doesn't make the first test Sexton becomes your front line kicker, he'll need a fair amount of preparation. Given that Sexton and Halfpenny look like they'll be starting most of their warm-up games together you need to find some time for Sexton, Hogg is probably too far down the pecking order to be relevant though

What do you mean "in a tour like this"? Take a country playing in the 6N, their first choice kicker is going to do all the kicking as long as he's on the field, you don't pass around the kicking in case your first choice gets injured. The Lions tour gives more people a chance to kick by it's nature, as not everyone starts every game.

Tox56

danthefan wrote: »

What do you mean "in a tour like this"? Take a country playing in the 6N, their first choice kicker is going to do all the kicking as long as he's on the field, you don't pass around the kicking in case your first choice gets injured. The Lions tour gives more people a chance to kick by it's nature, as not everyone starts every game.

6 Nations = 5 tests, Lions tour = 3 tests and several warm-up games to prepare for those 3 tests, and preparing the kickers is included in that. If we had warm-up games leading into the Six Nations I would certainly expect the 2nd maybe even 3rd choice kickers to get some practice even if the 1st choice kicker is in the team.

Swiwi

Tox56 wrote: »

6 Nations = 5 tests, Lions tour = 3 tests and several warm-up games to prepare for those 3 tests, and preparing the kickers is included in that. If we had warm-up games leading into the Six Nations I would certainly expect the 2nd maybe even 3rd choice kickers to get some practice even if the 1st choice kicker is in the team.

I can't ever recall teams rotating the goalkicking to give all the kickers a go. That's what the training paddock is for. If anything it's a tad arrogant. Would look mighty silly if the Reds take down the Lions, and Hogg misses a few critical shots at goal, while Farrell (or Sexton if he comes on) are twiddling their thumbs.

OK, maybe the game against NSW countries or whatever it is, which should be a complete and utter thrashing might be a chance for Hogg to be the kicker.

Out of interest, because certainly I dont ever recall the ABs doing it, can you remember Ireland rotating goalkickers to give everyone a go?

Tox56

Swiwi wrote: »

I can't ever recall teams rotating the goalkicking to give all the kickers a go. That's what the training paddock is for. If anything it's a tad arrogant. Would look mighty silly if the Reds take down the Lions, and Hogg misses a few critical shots at goal, while Farrell (or Sexton if he comes on) are twiddling their thumbs.

OK, maybe the game against NSW countries or whatever it is, which should be a complete and utter thrashing might be a chance for Hogg to be the kicker.

Out of interest, because certainly I dont ever recall the ABs doing it, can you remember Ireland rotating goalkickers to give everyone a go?

Should emphasise here I think Hogg is too far down the pecking order to be relevant, I agree maybe the countries game but otherwise no. I was more going down the route that if Halfpenny and Sexton are always starting together and Sexton has only had bit parts kicking he should be given go, who knows if Farrell goes down early and Sexton kicks most of the game tomorrow it won't be an issue. It's not exactly arrogant to give a regular international kicker the kicking duties!

danthefan

Swiwi wrote: »

I can't ever recall teams rotating the goalkicking to give all the kickers a go. That's what the training paddock is for. If anything it's a tad arrogant. Would look mighty silly if the Reds take down the Lions, and Hogg misses a few critical shots at goal, while Farrell (or Sexton if he comes on) are twiddling their thumbs.

OK, maybe the game against NSW countries or whatever it is, which should be a complete and utter thrashing might be a chance for Hogg to be the kicker.

Out of interest, because certainly I dont ever recall the ABs doing it, can you remember Ireland rotating goalkickers to give everyone a go?

Even at that you're a world away from the pressure situation of a Lions test.

Fireball07

Does Hogg even kick for Glasgow? Because I've seen them lose games this season based on poor kicking, and I'm pretty sure it was because they had no one else to step up.

Swiwi

Tox56 wrote: »

Should emphasise here I think Hogg is too far down the pecking order to be relevant, I agree maybe the countries game but otherwise no. I was more going down the route that if Halfpenny and Sexton are always starting together and Sexton has only had bit parts kicking he should be given go, who knows if Farrell goes down early and Sexton kicks most of the game tomorrow it won't be an issue. It's not exactly arrogant to give a regular international kicker the kicking duties!

I can agree on Sexton, I guess. The logical thing is for HP to start the kicking, and then sub him off at some stage to give Hogg or Kearney (is Kearney going to play on this tour?) a run and Sexton could kick then.

totallegend

Swiwi wrote: »

Oh no! Not the HP might not make the first test thing again. Unless he gets injured he will be in the starting XV.

Honest question now. Did you see the Force game and if so, what did you think of Halfpenny (without referring to his goal kicking)?